Damage from overclocking?

Jujumonkey

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Total noob question here, sorry, but i needed to ask to put my mind at ease........... if a cpu is overclocked, providing that you are still within maximum volts and temps, is it safe to run it at that overclock 24/7? will it eventually cause damage to the cpu or motherboard?
 
Look in the F@H section those (me) guys run their rigs 24/7 and most likely overclocked from hell and back
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and i had times i was a tad over the voltage recommendations still safe never damaged a CPU
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Just a side question: how long does it take for you, to upgrade a CPU ?
 
The life of a computer part is mainly determined on the temperature it runs at (beside other factors that may degrade a computer component), So overclocking 24/7 isn't bad but as long as you can keep the temperatures down other wise it will dramatically decrease the life span of the components that are running hot.

The motherboard should be ok as a lot of its components are spaced a little distance from the CPU and the CPU is designed to push the heat to the top where you mount your cooler.

It's best to find a balance between a good overclock and low temperatures, Each CPU is different and also have a good CPU cooler to aid that cooling.
 
Look in the F@H section those (me) guys run their rigs 24/7 and most likely overclocked from hell and back
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and i had times i was a tad over the voltage recommendations still safe never damaged a CPU
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Just a side question: how long does it take for you, to upgrade a CPU ?

damn, just realised i put this in the wrong overclocking section, sorry mods =o/

i usually build a whole new rig every 2 years. i never just upgrade a single component
 
The life of a computer part is mainly determined on the temperature it runs at (beside other factors that may degrade a computer component), So overclocking 24/7 isn't bad but as long as you can keep the temperatures down other wise it will dramatically decrease the life span of the components that are running hot.

The motherboard should be ok as a lot of its components are spaced a little distance from the CPU and the CPU is designed to push the heat to the top where you mount your cooler.

It's best to find a balance between a good overclock and low temperatures, Each CPU is different and also have a good CPU cooler to aid that cooling.

so lower temps = no damage. thankyou very much for the advice
 
2 years, you are more then fine
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if (as you mentioned) are in the safe zone in regards to temp/voltage..

BTW is the CPU also under load when you have it 24/7 ?
 
2 years, you are more then fine
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if (as you mentioned) are in the safe zone in regards to temp/voltage..

BTW is the CPU also under load when you have it 24/7 ?

my experience with overclocking hasnt been too good so i havent done it for a while. my original board in this rig was an msi p45 platinum. i overclocked my q6600 to 333x9 on stock volts and all was fine. then after a couple of months i tried 400x8 and tried to overclock my graphics card to with the ati overdrive utility and my motherboard died. since replacing it with the asus p5q pro i havent tried overclocking it. but i'm determined to get 4ghz from the new rig i'm building soon. thats why i'm asking questions now to get everything straight in my head before i try it
 
In about seven to eight years of overclocking (since the Athlon XP series that me and Vonblade (Bryan) used to overclock) I have only ever seen two casualties.

One was a Core 2 duo (one of the cores died) and another Core 2 duo (one of the cores died and the board also blew the VRMS. And, it's terribly likely they were caused by unstable VRMS on the motherboard taking a spike and providing too much juice to the CPU.

In the loudspeaker world 99% of the time when a speaker dies it is because it was not being given enough power. Quick explanation.. When you have say, a 400w subwoofer it is strongly recommended that you feed it with AT LEAST 800w of amplification. An amplifier is only good until about 2 oclock on the dial. After that it has reached its safe levels of power and after that it will start what is called clipping electronically. This clipping can send an over watted/volted signal to the speaker and damage the voice coil.

It's the same with all electronics. If you push them to or past their safety zones things begin to become unstable. For example let's say you took a cheap motherboard with a Phenom 2 in it and cranked the voltage to 1.45v. If the VRMs become unstable and do not regulate that voltage safely then it's highly likely you will get a spike in the power giving the CPU more voltage than you wanted to.

See also - a PSU. They are most efficient and indeed safe between 50% and 75% of their maximum output power. After that things begin to get wobbly and you can end up with a spike (or clip as it's known in the audio world) and that's what will cause damage to your components. I just wish more people understood that when building a PC. Ampage and wattage? you can NEVER have enough. It's all about what you can afford.

When upping the voltage on a CPU you are indeed causing more heat. This goes without saying. However, it's not always that heat that causes the instability. On your CPU around the cores are what are known as edge transistors. These feed data from the core to the operating system. When over driven (putting it simply) they can write a 1 instead of a 0 which is what will cause your lockup, BSOD, artefacts, ETC.

It's likely that this will happen long before you cause any actual damage, which is a blatant visual display that you have gone too far. Then you simply work backward until it stops, with the philosophy that if you didn't damage it at those settings then you're likely not to damage it at lesser settings.

Again, the damage will be caused by an instability in the VRMs or capacitors spiking the power to the CPU.

A last note is this. Why do you think MSI make their GPU boards with 'Military class' components? Hey, they also do it with their motherboards. They then give you free reign to crank the absolute balls off of a 480 GTX core and warranty it. The reason they do that is because they know the cause of failure. And it ain't the core
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When Nvidia, Intel, AMD, ATI and so on all design these cores they overclock them themselves. Cores are not designed to be ran at an exact speed, it is all suck em and see once the core comes off the line. They then get it to what they consider to be a solid stable speed. Example. The GTX 580 is nothing but a rebranded 480 with more stuff unlocked and a higher clock speed. A higher clock speed they put on it
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In about seven to eight years of overclocking (since the Athlon XP series that me and Vonblade (Bryan) used to overclock) I have only ever seen two casualties.

One was a Core 2 duo (one of the cores died) and another Core 2 duo (one of the cores died and the board also blew the VRMS. And, it's terribly likely they were caused by unstable VRMS on the motherboard taking a spike and providing too much juice to the CPU.

In the loudspeaker world 99% of the time when a speaker dies it is because it was not being given enough power. Quick explanation.. When you have say, a 400w subwoofer it is strongly recommended that you feed it with AT LEAST 800w of amplification. An amplifier is only good until about 2 oclock on the dial. After that it has reached its safe levels of power and after that it will start what is called clipping electronically. This clipping can send an over watted/volted signal to the speaker and damage the voice coil.

It's the same with all electronics. If you push them to or past their safety zones things begin to become unstable. For example let's say you took a cheap motherboard with a Phenom 2 in it and cranked the voltage to 1.45v. If the VRMs become unstable and do not regulate that voltage safely then it's highly likely you will get a spike in the power giving the CPU more voltage than you wanted to.

See also - a PSU. They are most efficient and indeed safe between 50% and 75% of their maximum output power. After that things begin to get wobbly and you can end up with a spike (or clip as it's known in the audio world) and that's what will cause damage to your components. I just wish more people understood that when building a PC. Ampage and wattage? you can NEVER have enough. It's all about what you can afford.

When upping the voltage on a CPU you are indeed causing more heat. This goes without saying. However, it's not always that heat that causes the instability. On your CPU around the cores are what are known as edge transistors. These feed data from the core to the operating system. When over driven (putting it simply) they can write a 1 instead of a 0 which is what will cause your lockup, BSOD, artefacts, ETC.

It's likely that this will happen long before you cause any actual damage, which is a blatant visual display that you have gone too far. Then you simply work backward until it stops, with the philosophy that if you didn't damage it at those settings then you're likely not to damage it at lesser settings.

Again, the damage will be caused by an instability in the VRMs or capacitors spiking the power to the CPU.

A last note is this. Why do you think MSI make their GPU boards with 'Military class' components? Hey, they also do it with their motherboards. They then give you free reign to crank the absolute balls off of a 480 GTX core and warranty it. The reason they do that is because they know the cause of failure. And it ain't the core
wink.gif


When Nvidia, Intel, AMD, ATI and so on all design these cores they overclock them themselves. Cores are not designed to be ran at an exact speed, it is all suck em and see once the core comes off the line. They then get it to what they consider to be a solid stable speed. Example. The GTX 580 is nothing but a rebranded 480 with more stuff unlocked and a higher clock speed. A higher clock speed they put on it
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Lots of great info and advice there, spankyou very much. i'm gonna go with a corsair psu and a pro version of an asus motherboard to make sure i get the stability you mentioned. i also want a quiet rig so i'm getting the zalman cnps10x quiet cooler, (i know noctua are better but i just cant stand looking at them cos they look like theyve been made by cadbury's), and in the frostytech coolers review it was only a couple of degrees hotter than the noctua but much much quieter. do you think this combo will give me stability and coolness for overclocking?
 
If you don't stick with Noctua, I'm afraid its a bit of a lottery. Look at the travesty that was Bit tech's latest review of coolers, which came out with thermaltake Frio as the best. It certainly ain't. Basically, Noctua are the hands down best air coolers, and every other cooler that sites recommend tend to be because they have significant financial leanings from that company.

But otherwise Corsair power supplies are about the best you can get, and the asus pro series tend to have pretty good VRMs.
 
If you don't stick with Noctua, I'm afraid its a bit of a lottery. Look at the travesty that was Bit tech's latest review of coolers, which came out with thermaltake Frio as the best. It certainly ain't.

Oddly, Custom PC came to the same conclusion. However, they didn't use the Noctua.
 
water cool the bugger (or liquid cool)
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.. then you can over clock like mad and stop worrying about temps .. mind you all so add about £150+ to your budget as well.
 
water cool the bugger (or liquid cool)
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.. then you can over clock like mad and stop worrying about temps .. mind you all so add about £150+ to your budget as well.

is the Corsair CWCH50-1 Cooling Hydro Series H50 any good? the rad and fan fit in a 120mm fan space, its about 60 quid.......... lol, i just realised, it has cwch in its name, that means cuddle in welsh. it cuddles your cpu into coolness =o)
 
Oddly, Custom PC came to the same conclusion. However, they didn't use the Noctua.

Goes to show you what buying ads can do. Complete BS.

is the Corsair CWCH50-1 Cooling Hydro Series H50 any good? the rad and fan fit in a 120mm fan space, its about 60 quid.......... lol, i just realised, it has cwch in its name, that means cuddle in welsh. it cuddles your cpu into coolness =o)

simple answer is no. buy Noctua
 
Tom. Is the Frio the one Strawberry was using? I'm sure when he had his Element S that he had a cooler with red things across the top.

I should ask Strawberry but he seems to come and go in spurts
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Maybe he's out of season
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Funny name for a caller mind. I mean if you say it like - Fry O it doesn't sound very assuring
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Custom PC = Bit Tech. But as TTL says, that is what happens if you don't remain impartial.

Oh I am Mr Impartial dude. With a capital I. I trust no one. For the most part CPC do tend to come up with the same results as here but I usually always look for at least a second opinion.

It's a shame our world is as it is now. I remember the days where if you released a clone or a clone of a clone (See COD 7
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) it would be lucky to score a 3.

Now days? you have people cueing outside stores at 6am to buy a game that's pretty much the same as the one they had. And Activision are the biggest culprits. How many Tony Hawk games did they make before it became a joke? about two thousand?

Madness. What I mean is that reviewers can be bought now. Which just buggers up the entire philosophy of letting people know what's good and what's poo. Shame
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