Chilly1 heads new V's old

fatty

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Ok a few people have asked me the difference between the new and old revision head basicaly the new revision is shorter and with a thinner base and they have a hole drilled through the core.

According to Grey Mole and I beleive chilly1 himself these heads will give a 10 - 20% decrease in temperature ( I think thats right correct me if I am wrong)

Here are a few pics

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Nice :)

How does the Chilly head compare to the Baker head?

I read things about them performing different at different angles...
 
I did find the baker more difficult to mount just a little more work as for performance I dont realy want to comment in case I get myself in trouble :(
 
I think the Baker head is slightly worse than the old chilly1, it is a very similar design to the one on the LS, just with a thicker base. I wouldnt guess the difference between the two though.

Nice pics fatty.

G
 
Yes your unit will need to be de gassed then have the head fitted and re gassed you will need to be a qualified hvac to do the job...

And I do the conversions
 
It just occured to me. Fatty could either you or Gray do a walkthrough to making a unit with pics? For us noobs that wanna have a crack at it.

We have all this Phase stuff going on but no HOW to build your own one. I'm really interested in building my own chiller just to see if I can do it, but all the guides out there just assume you know EXACTLY what everything is and does. Some parts run down would be great, like what the dryers do, accumulators, de super heater coils, etc. I know these but others probably dont, and I only know cos Gray has explained them to me lol.

Boardy
 
Boardy this would be a great idea the only problem is if we did a guide and an unqualified person were to try it and end up damaging themselves we may be held accountable for it also for unqualified people there is the whole £500,000 fine or 5 years imprisonment for venting refrigerant into the atmosphere
 
name='fatty' said:
Boardy this would be a great idea the only problem is if we did a guide and an unqualified person were to try it and end up damaging themselves we may be held accountable for it also for unqualified people there is the whole £500,000 fine or 5 years imprisonment for venting refrigerant into the atmosphere

Surely you can add disclaimers pointing this out to people? I know where your coming from mate I just thought it'd be a great thing to have here seeing as we are the only Phase forum without how-to's on this subject, and this afterall Extreme Prometeia lol.
 
Yeah, getting involved in a guide can be a little dangerous from a legal standpoint. What surprises me though is that with all of the guides in XS and other sites, and no-one's sued anyone yet that I know of. Disclaimers don't always mean your safe from that.

I've been trying to help as much as I can as far as individual projects go, but I'm not sure I'd like to do an all inclusive 'guide' for that reason mainly.

I really like your comparo on the 2 heads side by side Fatty. It's funny how the newest revision is smaller and lighter, but gives so much better performance. I've been seeing around 10% better results.

For example, an old custom I put together, 1/2HP compressor and old chilly head with 402a, I was able to get -45 load or so. With the new heads and the Mach conversions I've done lately with 402a I'm able to get -45 or very close with the 1/3HP compressors in there. Personally I think it's down to the new head design being that much more efficient and refined.

The baker vs. the chilly? Well The old chilly and baker were pretty close in performance. One would seem to work a little better than the other in different mounts and such, but for the most part they were really very close. I have a feeling that the new Chilly1 head revision is better, but can't say 100% without a direct comparison really. Comments on the Baker was that for 'bench mount' it was better than the old Chilly head as it worked well that way, but for 'case mount' it would lose a little efficiency and the Chilly head would be a little better as it doesn't really lose in any position you put it.

That's even more pronounced now that the head is designed for 'reverse flow' as the head, and the base, will always be flooded with refrigerant and gravity has pretty much no effect at all anymore.

But from the pictures I've seen of the Baker head though the chilly head is far easier to install that's for sure. But you're right, the mount isn't quite as refined. Really though, the mount is effective, whether it's very pretty or not ;) and the performance of the Chilly1 head is well worth it.

I'll have to get ahold of a Baker cpu head sometime and do a mach conversion with it and 402a and the other mods I've been doing and see how it performs. I might be getting one in for repair soon with a Baker head and if I do I can get some results from that and see if the theory holds up :D

Cheers

Gray
 
I think one of the reasons on xs no one has been sued is because their laws in regards to refrigerants is different to here in the UK there I think anyone can use refrigerants without a certificate here you cant:O
 
Ok then :) it was just an idea anywho :)

Would you be able to make a list of the things used most in units describing what they do? Such as accumultators, CPEV (wat ever that is, read it on XS), and stuff like that, with a few pics where possible?

Is that possible or is there trouble involved in that aswell? I don't know these things cos I'm not certified but would like to know for future reference what these things are and what they do. Just the most common ones in single and cascade units.

Cheers for the responses guys :)

Boardy
 
I`d like to see a whats what guide for phase :) I dont know anything about all the fancy stuff some folk have on their Machs- Boardys already listed the main stuff :) Some stuff on cascades would be nice- I`m totally lost when someone says "hot side" and "cold side". How do the 2 compressors work together? etc etc :)

K
 
K404 said:
I`d like to see a whats what guide for phase :) I dont know anything about all the fancy stuff some folk have on their Machs- Boardys already listed the main stuff :) Some stuff on cascades would be nice- I`m totally lost when someone says "hot side" and "cold side". How do the 2 compressors work together? etc etc :)

K

Yea thats what I was getting at, cheers Kenny lol. Not a complete this is how to build it as we've found this could lead to issues but a whats what. High side, Low side, High Stage, Low Stage, Pineapple Pie, Bramley Apple Pie......
 
name='fatty' said:
I think one of the reasons on xs no one has been sued is because their laws in regards to refrigerants is different to here in the UK there I think anyone can use refrigerants without a certificate here you cant:O

IIRC the laws differ from state to state in the USA, making it even more complicated, some states you have to have a certificate and even then it is hard to get gasses, whereas other states allow you some gases without a certificate and not others or something.

G
 
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