Building a new pc, advice

[Curlyriff]

I would suggest the lower level cpu. The extra cost is hard to justify unless you really want to handle heavy overclocking at around 5.0GHz without working hard to get to that end of the scale.

The rest of the build looks spot on for the 2011.

Kind Regards,

Adam

p.s sorry for the overlap. I have been checking prices as I reply to make sure I am at the right figures to recommend without killing your budget.

 

[infernouk]

I would go for the Asus P9X79 PRO Intel X79 (Socket 2011) DDR3 Motherboard if you want to be around the £200 mark for the motherboard.

Kind Regads,

Adam

well if i sacrifice the CPU and step down 1 as suggested i can get the rampage, will it fit in the case selected? i know those boards are big?

also whats your opinion on the ram?

 

[Curlyriff]

Yep the motherboard will fit fine in the 650D.

I have not personally used the memory you linked so can't comment on that but if I was picking ram at a similar price I would personally go for Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 16Gb as they retail at the same £100

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

Yep the motherboard will fit fine in the 650D.

I have not personally used the memory you linked so can't comment on that but if I was picking ram at a similar price I would personally go for Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 16Gb as they retail at the same £100

Kind Regards,

Adam

This stuff?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-065-PA&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=

so if i add that, cheaper processor and a rampage board, that would be the best build i can do for the money?

also is there a adapter for my cpu waterblock from my i7 920 i current have to fit this new 2011 socket?

 

[Curlyriff]

Oh and that is the DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Quad Channel kit rather than the PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Quad Channel Kit you selected. So it is a little more (£30) but the Patriot Viper Xtreme 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Quad Channel Kit is the same price about (£72)

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

Oh and that is the DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Quad Channel kit rather than the PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Quad Channel Kit you selected. So it is a little more (£30) but the Patriot Viper Xtreme 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Quad Channel Kit is the same price about (£72)

Kind Regards,

Adam

so this is the ram i want?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-053-PA

got a bit confused with all the terms!

 

[Curlyriff]

What is your waterblock? What are you running at moment 1366? If so then yes as they are the same for 1366 and 2011.

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

What is your waterblock? What are you running at moment 1366? If so then yes as they are the same for 1366 and 2011.

Kind Regards,

Adam

i cant remember the socket anymore as this pc is 3 years old now, its whatever the i7 920 D0 was which i think was 1366, so i dont need any adapter? just stright off this board and onto the new one?

 

[Curlyriff]

It depends how far you are clocking your computer really.

I think you would personally benefit from the first one I recommend that you linked but obviously only if you can swallow a further £30 as it is a big chunk more after all the other changes.

I don't know what you current selection comes too though I am sure you are over your original budget although you did pick a bigger Samsung 256GB rather than the 128GB you previously selected as well.

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[Curlyriff]

Yep it is the 1366. Same as what I have in my sig. and nope no adapters should be required.

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

It depends how far you are clocking your computer really.

I think you would personally benefit from the first one I recommend that you linked but obviously only if you can swallow a further £30 as it is a big chunk more after all the other changes.

I don't know what you current selection comes too though I am sure you are over your original budget although you did pick a bigger Samsung 256GB rather than the 128GB you previously selected as well.

Kind Regards,

Adam

well im not a massively advance OC'er but i do my best, i got my i7 920 to 4.5

the reason for the hard drive was i was advised to go for the PRO which is a minimum of 256 from what i saw?

im happy to go for a smaller size but dont want to sacrifice performance as SSD speed seems to be the biggest upgrade in a pc in my experience.

so better to go with the mamba ram of the higher speed?

 

[Curlyriff]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-158-SA&groupid=701&catid=2104&subcat=1427

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-065-PA

Those are the two you would want. I believe that makes your build around the Edit: £1225 mark.

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-158-SA&groupid=701&catid=2104&subcat=1427

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-065-PA

Those are the two you would want. I believe that makes your build around the £1250 mark.

Kind Regards,

Adam

yup, thats pretty much on budget, is that ssd only different in capacity? not performance...

 

[Curlyriff]

The performance is so marignally better on the 256GB from the scale up but in real world it really isn't worth it unless you want to put more on the drive than the OS and a few games or similar.

Oh and going from your first build you are only £40 more overall.

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

The performance is so marignally better on the 256GB from the scale up but in real world it really isn't worth it unless you want to put more on the drive than the OS and a few games or similar.

Oh and going from your first build you are only £40 more overall.

Kind Regards,

Adam

ok i think thats all sorted then, all that will go on the ssd is OS, Games, Main software, I have a 40gb intel ssd for lesser used stuff and 2tb of storage.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Curlyriff]

Sounds good to go for me personally and not far off what I am building but I have about an extra £750 to play with over xmas time.

No problem. Hope you enjoy your new rig. She will be a beast.

Kind Regards,

Adam

 

[infernouk]

Sounds good to go for me personally and not far off what I am building but I have about an extra £750 to play with over xmas time.

No problem. Hope you enjoy your new rig. She will be a beast.

Kind Regards,

Adam

just out of interest, i ran the build past a friend of mine who said 2011 was old SB based tech, the slower cpu is only 4 core and IB is 10% faster clock for clock. So why is 2011 good?

 

[Curlyriff]

You are correct in that they are SB based because IB has not been released yet. They are still pretty close between though since you are considering the current line of IB in other socket formats. You shouldn't compare the 2011 socket SB via over other IB sockets though and think about when you want to go IB in a few years with the 2011 socket format.

Just check out the bench marking and what 2011 brings considering it is only SB and the particular one is 4 core. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=523

Also it supports more PCI-E slots which run at x16/x16 rather than x8/x8. It also has Quad Channel Memory, 8 DIMMS. You can run up to 64GB ram. It is future proof for new drivers, better ability to run multi GPU's etc so much more flexible.

The reason for 4 cores in the cheaper chip is because it is actually an 8 core that some cores didn't clock so they disable them and run it as 4 core to save money. You wont notice the difference for 99% of what you are going to do and can easily upgrade to IB at a later date which will bring even more benefits without needing yet another new mobo.

Kind Regards,

Adam

Edit: It was different when they first came out also as 2011 socket cost more but now they are pretty much the same price. Bare in mind this is the latest tech. The 1155 sockets are at their final IB will be the best and last version so if SB versions of 2011 are running at the same if not better abilities already it can only get better.

 

[infernouk]

You are correct in that they are SB based because IB has not been released yet. They are still pretty close between though since you are considering the current line of IB in other socket formats. You shouldn't compare the 2011 socket SB via over other IB sockets though and think about when you want to go IB in a few years with the 2011 socket format.

Just check out the bench marking and what 2011 brings considering it is only SB and the particular one is 4 core. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=523

Also it supports more PCI-E slots which run at x16/x16 rather than x8/x8. It also has Quad Channel Memory, 8 DIMMS. You can run up to 64GB ram. It is future proof for new drivers, better ability to run multi GPU's etc so much more flexible.

The reason for 4 cores in the cheaper chip is because it is actually an 8 core that some cores didn't clock so they disable them and run it as 4 core to save money. You wont notice the difference for 99% of what you are going to do and can easily upgrade to IB at a later date which will bring even more benefits without needing yet another new mobo.

Kind Regards,

Adam

Edit: It was different when they first came out also as 2011 socket cost more but now they are pretty much the same price. Bare in mind this is the latest tech. The 1155 sockets are at their final IB will be the best and last version so if SB versions of 2011 are running at the same if not better abilities already it can only get better.

so the idea would be spend more on the board now, sell cpu when IB are out and throw one of them in, ram is upgradable for ages, id never do SLI i always buy a faster single card though

edit: but the current IB run better than current 2011 SB??

 

[Curlyriff]

so the idea would be spend more on the board now, sell cpu when IB are out and throw one of them in, ram is upgradable for ages, id never do SLI i always buy a faster single card though

In short pretty much but as I have stated the SB are actually on par with the older IB for 99% of general workload. If you ever edit photos or videos it would be about 2x as fast also so you are not loosing performance even now.

You can also overclock higher allot easier which has to be a plus with more fun to play around.

This is also why I suggested the cheaper SB core because yes you could sell it and by IB as soon as they are out for the similar 3930k then which would really shine in the next performance step and if you compared the SB and IB of the two socket types there would be no reason to run the 1155 IB's then.

Yes RAM can be upgraded for a long time and you should not be an issue with the 2011. You can just add another 4 chips or replace all once price drops again in the future.

Yeah the SLI may not be needed now but I would never say never. I also often upgrade a single card before going multiple but this gives the option to get the best out of two should I ever feel like taking the next step for further power or if you start editing/rendering allot of large files.

Kind Regards,

Adam