AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU Review

It's funny, because the 6950x, 5960x and so on did not get this response.

It's very very easy to make a highly cored CPU look bad. I could write a review where an I3 outperforms it in ever test. But that's not the point. It's like buying a fine sports car and then taking two wheels off and saying "This thing won't even move !".

And on the other hand? I could write a review that is skewed the other way, *only* using highly threaded apps where the high cored CPU walks past any other.

And that is usually what the focus is when people have reviewed big CPUs like the 6950x.

Thankfully the enthusiasts all know. For example when you are benching and taking it even remotely seriously you will know about FS Physics scores for example, and how they are affected by adding cores. It drives up your entire score !

It's quite clear to see today who don't dare upset the master, and who doesn't care.
 
The worrying part is heat or as it seems magical lack of, software says 79c but Tom reports no noticable plume of heat from the top of the case, I notice heat from the roof of my system at only 35c... mmm have they screwed up the thermal readings again? Have they mixed up Fahrenheit and Celsius? Either way there is no denying that AMD are back and bringing cannons to this duel.
 
Thanks for a great Review ! My only concern is the gaming performance, could you do a follow up with some real gaming oriented numbers??
 
Thanks for a great Review ! My only concern is the gaming performance, could you do a follow up with some real gaming oriented numbers??

With the latest games a FX 6350 is enough. It really is. I guess it depends on what you perceive as "enough" but yes, you can game on a potato these days. For example I use an 8c 16t Ivy at 3.3ghz or so. It's more than enough to meet my target FPS of 60.

And of course the higher you drive up the res the less the CPU matters any way.

This CPU is not for gamers. It never was. It is for people who can use it, and don't want to get reamed out buying a 2ghz 12 core Xeon for example that would set you back a couple of grand.

That's what X99 is.
 
It's funny, because the 6950x, 5960x and so on did not get this response.

It's very very easy to make a highly cored CPU look bad. I could write a review where an I3 outperforms it in ever test. But that's not the point. It's like buying a fine sports car and then taking two wheels off and saying "This thing won't even move !".

And on the other hand? I could write a review that is skewed the other way, *only* using highly threaded apps where the high cored CPU walks past any other.

And that is usually what the focus is when people have reviewed big CPUs like the 6950x.

Thankfully the enthusiasts all know. For example when you are benching and taking it even remotely seriously you will know about FS Physics scores for example, and how they are affected by adding cores. It drives up your entire score !

It's quite clear to see today who don't dare upset the master, and who doesn't care.

I read on Toms Hardware, I think, that disabling SMT actually boosted gaming performance.

AMD have marketed the 1800X as a gaming CPU. Obviously that hasn't been its main focus, but they have claimed that part of its purpose was gaming. You can't really say the 1800X isn't for gaming just like you can't say the Titan XP isn't for gaming. It's clear that a part of its purpose was to render frames in gaming workloads. Maybe that wasn't its core purpose or was its best at, but it was heavily taken into account.
 
It's funny, because the 6950x, 5960x and so on did not get this response.

It's very very easy to make a highly cored CPU look bad. I could write a review where an I3 outperforms it in ever test. But that's not the point. It's like buying a fine sports car and then taking two wheels off and saying "This thing won't even move !".

And on the other hand? I could write a review that is skewed the other way, *only* using highly threaded apps where the high cored CPU walks past any other.

And that is usually what the focus is when people have reviewed big CPUs like the 6950x.

Thankfully the enthusiasts all know. For example when you are benching and taking it even remotely seriously you will know about FS Physics scores for example, and how they are affected by adding cores. It drives up your entire score !

It's quite clear to see today who don't dare upset the master, and who doesn't care.

I don't think i've ever seen anyone claim that the 6950x is a particularly great choice for games. Why do you always have such an exaggerated response to praise and criticism? It's just hardware, not a revolution against a dictatorship.
 
I don't think i've ever seen anyone claim that the 6950x is a particularly great choice for games. Why do you always have such an exaggerated response to praise and criticism? It's just hardware, not a revolution against a dictatorship.

Because I have pretty extreme thoughts and opinions. I have a very sensitive mind, and a massive belief in fairness etc.

But your last line? that is exactly what it is.

BTW I'm pretty sure you knew but if you didn't I will tell you any way. You know I am on the spectrum, right? as in the autistic spectrum?

That means everything to me is -

Louder.
Brighter.
Smellier.
More annoying.
Massive hate of imbalance, unfairness and bullies.
Massively exaggerated.

And so on. I am who I am. Oh and I can be a really unempathic SOB too. But that is just me.
 
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Because I have pretty extreme thoughts and opinions. I have a very sensitive mind, and a massive belief in fairness etc.

But your last line? that is exactly what it is.

BTW I'm pretty sure you knew but if you didn't I will tell you any way. You know I am on the spectrum, right? as in the autistic spectrum?

That means everything to me is -

Louder.
Brighter.
Smellier.
More annoying.
Massive hate of imbalance, unfairness and bullies.
Massively exaggerated.

And so on. I am who I am. Oh and I can be a really unempathic SOB too. But that is just me.

Yea i knew that, but since you are aware that you are prone to overreacting, why don't you reconsider whether your statements are a bit over the top? Whenever i post anything i read through it a couple of times, making sure that what i'm posting is reasonable, trying to look at the topic from a point of view which isn't mine, considering whether my tone is appropriate or not. That's the beauty of forums as a communication medium, there don't have to be any impulsive responses.
I'm not autistic, so i can't really judge what's going on in your head, but i think regardless of what your condition may be it's not wise to say that you can't be any other way, that attitude is holding you back more than the condition itself. Living in a world where everything is either good or evil can't be nice.
 
Only watched 15mins if the video. Busy atm, but did read the whole review.

I'm so pumped to watch the video now.. the wait is killing me:p
 
Love that AMD is competing, its already forced intel to modify their pricing which is really awesome.

If AMD can keep it up I hope in two years we'll be seeing more like what we've saw before AMD became mostly insignificant in the cpu market. Enterprise still holding with Intel while AMD eats at the home markets.

Really i would like to see more reviewers benching against more kaby/sky lake offerings even with the lower core count. I mean the 7700 keeps pace or does better than the lower end Ryzen at a (now) similar price point at lower power usage.

regardless still a great jump by AMD Here is to them keeping it up the next few years and this isn't a one shot deal. Whether you are a AMD/Intel fanboy or not competition is good
 
I don't know if I'll be able to watch the entire video. Aint nobody got time for dat!

In all seriousness, mad props to Tom and the team for putting together such a comprehensive look.
 
Yea i knew that, but since you are aware that you are prone to overreacting, why don't you reconsider whether your statements are a bit over the top?.

How would it feel to you to forever, 24/7, be stopping yourself from doing something and completely rethinking it for the sake of others?.

It's impossible. I would have to literally be in charge of one brain and force it to do everything it doesn't want to, making it act like a different brain.

Whenever i post anything i read through it a couple of times, making sure that what i'm posting is reasonable, trying to look at the topic from a point of view which isn't mine, considering whether my tone is appropriate or not. That's the beauty of forums as a communication medium, there don't have to be any impulsive responses.

I read through what I have posted several times, and, I delete about 90% of what I type during any given day. You are telling me not to be me, and to act completely differently.

Why would I do that?

When I was diagnosed it basically turned my world upside down. Because absolutely everything I had ever done, everything I had learned, why I did what I did and so on was all bought into question. It made me think that basically if I didn't have the brain I had it would have made my life completely different. It made me regret nearly everything I had ever done. It made me feel bad for the people around me who had to deal with it.

At some point you have to stop yourself. Because at the end of the day you are who you are, and nothing you could have done would have made any difference. Destiny, and all that.

Could I have saved my first marriage? could I have ended up in a relationship with women I had basically chased away?

No, is the short answer. So what did I do? found some one just like me with exactly the same afflictions to share my life with.

Some one who understands. THAT is the biggest problem with mental illness. If you don't suffer from it you don't get it. And I completely understand that. I have an older brother who somehow miraculously didn't get what several members of my family got in my generation. He is the only grandchild of my father's mother who didn't get some sort of mental illness. Be it depression, autism, or full blown bipolar disorder like my grandmother had, and was constantly in and out of institutions during the 70s and 80s.

If I sit there making fart noises and laughing hysterically at myself my wife doesn't look at me funny or tell me to stop. She joins in.

That is why my whole life, my whole world is all within this one bedroom bubble that we live in. Without the internet? I would be completely alone, as would she. People are quick to judge and slow to understand.

I totally do not understand the world I live in at all.

Couple of examples.

1. I don't understand why you can't fall in love almost instantly and start a full blown relationship instantly. Why do you have to play this game for a few months and not call a lady back immediately. Why do people ignore text messages in order to "play it cool" etc? what's with these games people play?

2. I hate human nature and I hate greed. That is why I give most of the stuff I do not want away for absolutely nothing, even though I practically have nothing.

I hate that look that people take on when they are buying something from you, immediately lying and pretending it's crap just so they can save money. If it's that bad why the chuff do you want it? I hate low ballers, I hate people that will stoop to any depth to get what they want due to greed.

None of it makes any sense to me. Life to me? hahaha in order to succeed you basically need to spend 10 hours a day at your job basically pretending to be this awesome person yet inside you know you are lying. And you put on this show to make people like you etc. Why? why do people do that? in order to succeed.

Life to me? it's one big lie. And I can't do it. That is why I have been an outpatient at the local loony bin for the past nine years. I go every month, I take all of the pills and potions given to me in order to make other people's lives easier. I accept I have issues, and I accept I can't be fixed. As I say, a lot of soul searching after I was diagnosed and I had to put it all into logic or else...... Or else December, overdose, hospital.

I'm not autistic, so i can't really judge what's going on in your head, but i think regardless of what your condition may be it's not wise to say that you can't be any other way, that attitude is holding you back more than the condition itself. Living in a world where everything is either good or evil can't be nice.

Yup. My condition has completely held me back and ruined my life. I've had amazing jobs, but due to the bipolar disorder I always lose them. I either say too much, or the depression puts me in so much literal physical pain I can not leave the house.

I've upset people with what I say. I've offended people. I've basically pushed away any real friends I ever had (and there were many, very easy to be liked when you are manic and full of fun but watch what happens when you actually need some one..)

However, you will never meet any one more honest than me. What you see is exactly what you get.

You'd be surprised how many online friends I have. People I chat to daily on Skype etc.I guess that sometimes I'm the guy they wish they could be, but can't through fear. Fear of losing things, fear of screwing something up.

I have nothing. Financially I have absolutely nothing. Yet I am probably the most generous person you will ever meet. See any one else giving stuff away all of the time?
 
Another great review Tom. And WOW...
I am planning a music production rig for some time, and I am just waiting for the new stuff to come out to finalize the build. But this is epic... Same performance for HALF the price of 6900K! Holy s**t... Yes 6950X is flagship that is unbeaten, but it also has a flagship price.
For any kind of professional or semi professional rig this is no brainer. You will save bags of money just on CPU and RAM, and you can pick better components for the rest of the system... Or just save the money and go somewhere over the weekend. Wow... This will stir Intel's pot hard.
I can't wait for the motherboards reviews. And when BIOS-es get sorted out... OMG I am having a crisis :D
Intel may keep gaming customers, but streamers, and people who do some rendering/production may cross to the Red side. ;)
 
Awesome review. Read the written one first and then watched every minute of the video, even though I had to pause it to go make a second coffee haha.

If I'm honest I'm a little disappointed in the single core performance, but only so much they can do with that much going on under the hood with 8c/16t.

Looking forward to the Ryzen 3/5 reviews now. Hopefully the 6c/12t will be the sweet spot between gaming and content creation.
 
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A friend send me the charts of the Sweclockers review, the chip they got was pure trash apparently because the 3770k could wipe the floor with the ryzen chip... Thankfully that's not the case. I've just finished watching the video, what an epic journey. Looking forward to the APU chips from ryzen, I'm planning to get rid of the old CoreQuad desktop in the Summer
 
Great review. And you can always disable SMT, still get 8 cores, and overclock the processor if you are in need for better gaming experience. Plus with the awesome price you can get a really nice CPU cooler.

I'd really like to see how far can it be pushed with a decent cooler ( aka h110 / NH-D15 ) and SMT disabled.
 
Very in depth review as normal, yes I watched all of it, missed the sign change, thanks for all your hard work and lack of sleep.

Reading through the review what I found interesting is the difference in FPS in games with the older CPU's I assume you used the same GPU

P.S what I also found funny was while watching your proper review, I looked to the side and there's Ryzen full review and it's 12 minutes long
 
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How would it feel to you to forever, 24/7, be stopping yourself from doing something and completely rethinking it for the sake of others?.

It's impossible. I would have to literally be in charge of one brain and force it to do everything it doesn't want to, making it act like a different brain.

I read through what I have posted several times, and, I delete about 90% of what I type during any given day. You are telling me not to be me, and to act completely differently.

Why would I do that?
That's what most people do. It's not about not being yourself, it's about questioning whether what you are doing is the right thing and becoming a better version of yourself. That's how a person's personality evolves. I don't expect you to become a different human being in a week, but if you recognize issues, why not work on them? Things may only change slowly or not at all when you try, but if you don't and only complain they definitely won't get any better, probably even worse.

Some one who understands. THAT is the biggest problem with mental illness. If you don't suffer from it you don't get it. And I completely understand that. I have an older brother who somehow miraculously didn't get what several members of my family got in my generation. He is the only grandchild of my father's mother who didn't get some sort of mental illness. Be it depression, autism, or full blown bipolar disorder like my grandmother had, and was constantly in and out of institutions during the 70s and 80s.

If I sit there making fart noises and laughing hysterically at myself my wife doesn't look at me funny or tell me to stop. She joins in.

That is why my whole life, my whole world is all within this one bedroom bubble that we live in. Without the internet? I would be completely alone, as would she. People are quick to judge and slow to understand.



I totally do not understand the world I live in at all.

Couple of examples.

1. I don't understand why you can't fall in love almost instantly and start a full blown relationship instantly. Why do you have to play this game for a few months and not call a lady back immediately. Why do people ignore text messages in order to "play it cool" etc? what's with these games people play?

2. I hate human nature and I hate greed. That is why I give most of the stuff I do not want away for absolutely nothing, even though I practically have nothing.

I hate that look that people take on when they are buying something from you, immediately lying and pretending it's crap just so they can save money. If it's that bad why the chuff do you want it? I hate low ballers, I hate people that will stoop to any depth to get what they want due to greed.

None of it makes any sense to me. Life to me? hahaha in order to succeed you basically need to spend 10 hours a day at your job basically pretending to be this awesome person yet inside you know you are lying. And you put on this show to make people like you etc. Why? why do people do that? in order to succeed.

Life to me? it's one big lie. And I can't do it. That is why I have been an outpatient at the local loony bin for the past nine years. I go every month, I take all of the pills and potions given to me in order to make other people's lives easier. I accept I have issues, and I accept I can't be fixed. As I say, a lot of soul searching after I was diagnosed and I had to put it all into logic or else...... Or else December, overdose, hospital.



Yup. My condition has completely held me back and ruined my life. I've had amazing jobs, but due to the bipolar disorder I always lose them. I either say too much, or the depression puts me in so much literal physical pain I can not leave the house.

I've upset people with what I say. I've offended people. I've basically pushed away any real friends I ever had (and there were many, very easy to be liked when you are manic and full of fun but watch what happens when you actually need some one..)

However, you will never meet any one more honest than me. What you see is exactly what you get.

You'd be surprised how many online friends I have. People I chat to daily on Skype etc.I guess that sometimes I'm the guy they wish they could be, but can't through fear. Fear of losing things, fear of screwing something up.

I have nothing. Financially I have absolutely nothing. Yet I am probably the most generous person you will ever meet. See any one else giving stuff away all of the time?

I have a severely mentally disabled foster brother who i've raised with my single mom for 14 years now, i know a thing or two about people who perceive the world in a different way and do things which don't make sense to others. Despite his age he can't read, write, understand fairly basic logical connections or socialize with other people and most of that will never change, but i still always try to inspire him to better himself, even when it frustrates him. Progress is slow, but some progress is better than none. Always keep in mind that there are people who are considerably worse off than you, losing a job or a relationship isn't the end of the world and in terms of financials you can't be doing too poorly either with your setup, i sure can't afford that right now.

Also i guess we need to get to a closing here, i can feel the slap from the mods for derailing incoming.
 
If I was buying a CPU now and mainly gamed I don't think I'd get the 1800X due to the 7700K having much better single core performance and beating it by a very large margin in that Gears of War test and being a lot more expensive, For rendering or workstation though it would be immense.
 
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