AMD reveals the capabilities of their AM4 motherboards

[Doomslayer]

Yeah I wouldn't want to be a PC enthusiast in Aus.

Funny though, it seems to be a mecca for BMX stuff haha. So many rare bikes on Ebay are in Aus !

For all i know yet these "High" end CPU's from AMD might even push up to $1200 if that's the case i can see people just sticking with Intel, People know what there going to get from Intel.

I have said this before too it's only a small percentage of people who care about benchmarks and stuff like that most people could give 2 you know what's about it.

I found a story from a few years back about the CPU market share here and it was something like Intel 90% AMD 10%, Maybe it's change now but i can't see AMD CPU market share being any higher than 20%.

IMO AMD has a long way to go if they want to beat Intel.

 

[RobM]

The hard bit is getting mind share as so many users are loyal to intel/nvidia they need to produce something that is more than just a little better in order to do that

 

[AlienALX]

IMO AMD has a long way to go if they want to beat Intel.

Ridiculous comment is ridiculous dude. AMD will never beat Intel. Intel made a living with Netburst FFS. Even when Intel CPUs were total s**t they still made a living. I mean so bad they were 20-30% slower than AMD and more expensive.

Companies like Intel and Nvidia will never be beaten. However, that's not to say other companies can not chisel out a living which is what AMD do.

It's the same as their GPUs. Enthusiasts who know their stuff will buy AMD for the performance at the price and brainwashed bots will buy Nvidia or Intel no matter what the cost/how they perform.

I read a UK review of the new I3 today. It costs £183 here in the UK and won an award and was recommended. THAT is how powerful Intel are. They can jack the price by £65 for nothing but air and still get rave reviews.

 

[Doomslayer]

Ridiculous comment is ridiculous dude. AMD will never beat Intel. Intel made a living with Netburst FFS. Even when Intel CPUs were total s**t they still made a living. I mean so bad they were 20-30% slower than AMD and more expensive.

Companies like Intel and Nvidia will never be beaten. However, that's not to say other companies can not chisel out a living which is what AMD do.

It's the same as their GPUs. Enthusiasts who know their stuff will buy AMD for the performance at the price and brainwashed bots will buy Nvidia or Intel no matter what the cost/how they perform.

I read a UK review of the new I3 today. It costs £183 here in the UK and won an award and was recommended. THAT is how powerful Intel are. They can jack the price by £65 for nothing but air and still get rave reviews.

Not really, The way some people are talking they really think AMD has a shot of beating Intel.

I have to disagree with that i know AMD fan boy's who only buy AMD CPU but will not touch AMD GPU's with a 10 foot pole.

Wherever well like it or not people are going to buy what they like, Bigger percentage like Intel/Nvidia.

The biggest problem that AMD has both with there CPU's & GPU's they need to get that high end of the market and try and get those people over to AMD which i just can't see happening.

 

[AlienALX]

Not really, The way some people are talking they really think AMD has a shot of beating Intel.

Define "beat"?

1.Better performance? they probably will.
2.Better price? of course.
3.Better sales and revenue? doubt it.

Which is the most important definition in your opinion?

 

[Warchild]

Define "beat"?

1.Better performance? they probably will.
2.Better price? of course.
3.Better sales and revenue? doubt it.

Which is the most important definition in your opinion?

its all about reputation and fan boyism. AMD will claw back market % but it will never dominate again. They have themselves to blame for it. Even their fury launches blocking AIB chances (no idea why) must have hurt them when the whole "heat" thing was introduced.

Couple that with the people who only buy from one brand because its that brand e.g. KOS with his EVGA fanaticism... doesnt matter that the EVGA gpus are not the highest performers yet are more expensive than any other. Their cards are nothing special in the end and match/underperform the best gpus other brands put out on the shelf.

Some people you just can't convince. I will hold my hand up too. My love of multiple GPUs for example, considering all the backlash I hear about crossfire. I steer clear of AMD. I don't need the best on the market. I want something that works. Also perhaps I am wrong but the mobo market seems saturated with Intel boards giving us far more options in comparison to AMD.

That being said. I want AMD to succeed, I really do. But I think they need the help of all the top manufacturers like MSi, ASUS etc to flood the market with AIB GPUs, and aesthetically pleasing mobos, to sway more over. I think there are some who "fear" switching to AMD incase it vastly underperforms which is likely not to be the case.

 

[AlienALX]

its all about reputation and fan boyism. AMD will claw back market % but it will never dominate again. They have themselves to blame for it. Even their fury launches blocking AIB chances (no idea why) must have hurt them when the whole "heat" thing was introduced.

I absolutely assure you now, it's all about making money. If they stop they will cease to exist. I am sure Raja really couldn't give a crap about his reputation, nor do the people who hire him.

AMD never dominated sales. They dominated performance. Big difference.

If the rumours are true and it is as fast or faster than Broadwell E and overclocks better it will dominate. However, like I have said define the words "beat" and "dominate".?

Couple that with the people who only buy from one brand because its that brand e.g. KOS with his EVGA fanaticism... doesnt matter that the EVGA gpus are not the highest performers yet are more expensive than any other. Their cards are nothing special in the end and match/underperform the best gpus other brands put out on the shelf.

Some people you just can't convince. I will hold my hand up too. My love of multiple GPUs for example, considering all the backlash I hear about crossfire. I steer clear of AMD. I don't need the best on the market. I want something that works. Also perhaps I am wrong but the mobo market seems saturated with Intel boards giving us far more options in comparison to AMD.

That being said. I want AMD to succeed, I really do. But I think they need the help of all the top manufacturers like MSi, ASUS etc to flood the market with AIB GPUs, and aesthetically pleasing mobos, to sway more over. I think there are some who "fear" switching to AMD incase it vastly underperforms which is likely not to be the case.

KOOS has nothing nice to say about anything at all other than the things he likes. I won't go any further than that because it would be personal and I quite like him (even though he is a miserable git )

 

[Shingara]

Hi, looked through all the slides and stuff but im just wondering about something. As i understand it the ryzen cpu will have 24 pcie lanes, 16 for gpu which can go 8x8 for crossfire sli on the x370, 4 lanes for nvme and then 4 lanes that go direct to the chipset. Please let me know if i have got that wrong.

Now assuming the above is correct, does that mean that the am4 charts are a minimum we can expect from the specific boards like the b350 and x370. To that i saw videos of an asus board that no one could record, sort of. So is the reason we havnt seen the asus board and what i would class as the best of the best that always come to amd being ROG boards because they arnt amd partnered and we could see something really good coming from ROG for am4.

Personally im hoping the maximus 9 extreme comes out for am4, i know thats possibly a pipe dream but what do you guys think on that ?

 

[Warchild]

I absolutely assure you now, it's all about making money. If they stop they will cease to exist. I am sure Raja really couldn't give a crap about his reputation, nor do the people who hire him.

AMD never dominated sales. They dominated performance. Big difference.

If the rumours are true and it is as fast or faster than Broadwell E and overclocks better it will dominate. However, like I have said define the words "beat" and "dominate".?



KOOS has nothing nice to say about anything at all other than the things he likes. I won't go any further than that because it would be personal and I quite like him (even though he is a miserable git )

I agree with you. Dominate is a pretty big word to use in a competition with only 2 major players.

I just used KOS as an example to his sheer and blind adolation to one brand. There are some who think the same towards ASUS, Logitech, Razer etc. You can't convince these people.

AMD used to dominate sales back in the Athlon 64 days. Intel was on par with AMD but couldnt compete in the price bracket.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/15/3646698/what-happened-to-amd

This i always found a good read which sums up the basic stuff.

Funny thing. I googled "when did intel dominate AMD" and my first results was "AMD to dominate in 2017". The hype train increases.

Personally im hoping the maximus 9 extreme comes out for am4, i know thats possibly a pipe dream but what do you guys think on that ?

thats the point im making. If ASUS brought out more boards like this for AMD. It could persuade users into switching over. AMD need the help of the major companies to do it.

 

[AlienALX]

AMD used to dominate sales but were haemorrhaging money.

I know the history dude, and I also know what put a stop to them competing. They were losing money on every FX sold. Why? because even though they were miles in front performance wise people like KOOS refused to buy them no matter how good they were and expected them to be far cheaper.

As such AMD were not getting back the R&D costs and nearly went bankrupt. They even issued a statement to say they were no longer competing at the high end and would focus on value based products.

So as I say, define "dominate"? you mean by nearly going out of business, yes?

Hi, looked through all the slides and stuff but im just wondering about something. As i understand it the ryzen cpu will have 24 pcie lanes, 16 for gpu which can go 8x8 for crossfire sli on the x370, 4 lanes for nvme and then 4 lanes that go direct to the chipset. Please let me know if i have got that wrong.

Now assuming the above is correct, does that mean that the am4 charts are a minimum we can expect from the specific boards like the b350 and x370. To that i saw videos of an asus board that no one could record, sort of. So is the reason we havnt seen the asus board and what i would class as the best of the best that always come to amd being ROG boards because they arnt amd partnered and we could see something really good coming from ROG for am4.

Personally im hoping the maximus 9 extreme comes out for am4, i know thats possibly a pipe dream but what do you guys think on that ?

I would imagine it will be similar to Intel, and any other extra lanes would come by way of a PLX chip or what not. That will probably be how they swing the super premium end of things.

 

[Shingara]

Just something to what you guys are on about, isnt there something deeper going on with the market share between intel and amd, i mean amd had a bad contract with fab, but then intel were doing rebates to have there stuff in pre built machines and keep amd out of pre built, then the whole benchmark fixing that went on which even went to the extreme of if it noticed amd cpu used then dont do x so we got black boxes everywhere in mass effect if peeps can remember that.


So its not like they had the gloves on, but amd did get some ground back, they got in both the current gen consoles, not saying consoles are great nor nothin so not wanting to start a war but they are in them. And its not like amd were ever a big dog, they struck gold with phenoms and the fx were to infront of games, bad single core but look at them, they still run games great now.

Also arnt intel and amd partnering up for graphics and intel is dropping nvidia ?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

its all about reputation and fan boyism. AMD will claw back market % but it will never dominate again. They have themselves to blame for it. Even their fury launches blocking AIB chances (no idea why) must have hurt them when the whole "heat" thing was introduced.

Couple that with the people who only buy from one brand because its that brand e.g. KOS with his EVGA fanaticism... doesnt matter that the EVGA gpus are not the highest performers yet are more expensive than any other. Their cards are nothing special in the end and match/underperform the best gpus other brands put out on the shelf.

Some people you just can't convince. I will hold my hand up too. My love of multiple GPUs for example, considering all the backlash I hear about crossfire. I steer clear of AMD. I don't need the best on the market. I want something that works. Also perhaps I am wrong but the mobo market seems saturated with Intel boards giving us far more options in comparison to AMD.

That being said. I want AMD to succeed, I really do. But I think they need the help of all the top manufacturers like MSi, ASUS etc to flood the market with AIB GPUs, and aesthetically pleasing mobos, to sway more over. I think there are some who "fear" switching to AMD incase it vastly underperforms which is likely not to be the case.

This.

When companies as well-established as ASUS adopt AMD from the very bottom to the very top, consumers might find a newfangled trust. They trust ASUS so therefore they trust AMD. This is why it would be so good for AMD if a company like EVGA began producing AMD cards. EVGA are one of the biggest and most respected GPU manufacturers, and not solely because they make Nvidia GPU's. That plays a part, but you're underselling your favourite company if you amount their success to a partner. If EVGA made Vega GPU's like it was rumoured (but then sadly debunked), so many Nvidia fans would question their loyalty to Nvidia, because it is in fact EVGA they are a fan of.

This is another reason why the Fury X failed. The deluded arrogance on AMD's part to only ship a flagship with an AIO they produce (with Cooler Master) really hurt their sales, in my opinion. AMD just don't have the reputation to sell such an elite product. Give it to ASUS and Sapphire and that same card, with a slight price reduction, becomes far more appetizing to the average consumer who buys ROG-branded products to deck out their man-cave.

Just something to what you guys are on about, isnt there something deeper going on with the market share between intel and amd, i mean amd had a bad contract with fab, but then intel were doing rebates to have there stuff in pre built machines and keep amd out of pre built, then the whole benchmark fixing that went on which even went to the extreme of if it noticed amd cpu used then dont do x so we got black boxes everywhere in mass effect if peeps can remember that.


So its not like they had the gloves on, but amd did get some ground back, they got in both the current gen consoles, not saying consoles are great nor nothin so not wanting to start a war but they are in them. And its not like amd were ever a big dog, they struck gold with phenoms and the fx were to infront of games, bad single core but look at them, they still run games great now.

Also arnt intel and amd partnering up for graphics and intel is dropping nvidia ?

I remember this as well.

 

[Warchild]

EVGA wont use AMD. They have an exclusivity deal with Nvidia. But there is nothing stopping other companies doing what you mentioned.

 

[Shingara]

Well with what we have seen of vega, which isnt a great deal but its an absolute monster, brands should be fighting to get the best version of that on the shelves. But i do worry if we had the same thing we had with the 480's where they were made weaker then ref cards because of 'reasons' so those cards ran like pap.

 

[Doomslayer]

its all about reputation and fan boyism. AMD will claw back market % but it will never dominate again. They have themselves to blame for it. Even their fury launches blocking AIB chances (no idea why) must have hurt them when the whole "heat" thing was introduced.

Couple that with the people who only buy from one brand because its that brand e.g. KOS with his EVGA fanaticism... doesnt matter that the EVGA gpus are not the highest performers yet are more expensive than any other. Their cards are nothing special in the end and match/underperform the best gpus other brands put out on the shelf.

Some people you just can't convince. I will hold my hand up too. My love of multiple GPUs for example, considering all the backlash I hear about crossfire. I steer clear of AMD. I don't need the best on the market. I want something that works. Also perhaps I am wrong but the mobo market seems saturated with Intel boards giving us far more options in comparison to AMD.

That being said. I want AMD to succeed, I really do. But I think they need the help of all the top manufacturers like MSi, ASUS etc to flood the market with AIB GPUs, and aesthetically pleasing mobos, to sway more over. I think there are some who "fear" switching to AMD incase it vastly underperforms which is likely not to be the case.

This makes me sooo happy that someone finally called me a EVGA Fanboy been waiting for months

 

[Warchild]

Well with what we have seen of vega, which isnt a great deal but its an absolute monster, brands should be fighting to get the best version of that on the shelves. But i do worry if we had the same thing we had with the 480's where they were made weaker then ref cards because of 'reasons' so those cards ran like pap.

Well thats the thing. What we have seen so far, it's not an absolute monster at all. You're just assisting with the hype. It's going to be a good performer yes. That's where it ends though, as there has been nothing to really back anything up.

The same goes for Nvidia when they release cards. Both parties use Biased benchmarks and charts. I'm impressed with the card, but I am not sold yet, especially using Stars Wars to showcase 4k @ 60fps or more.

What really backs it up is once the NDA is lifted and reviewers like OC3D, Guru3D etc can go balls to the wall on overclocking, run their own unbiased tests, and hopefully provide a well written and once again, "unbiased" opinion on the card.

 

[Doomslayer]

Well thats the thing. What we have seen so far, it's not an absolute monster at all. You're just assisting with the hype. It's going to be a good performer yes. That's where it ends though, as there has been nothing to really back anything up.

The same goes for Nvidia when they release cards. Both parties use Biased benchmarks and charts. I'm impressed with the card, but I am not sold yet, especially using Stars Wars to showcase 4k @ 60fps or more.

What really backs it up is once the NDA is lifted and reviewers like OC3D, Guru3D etc can go balls to the wall on overclocking, run their own unbiased tests, and hopefully provide a well written and once again, "unbiased" opinion on the card.

And for all we know these new Vega cards could turn out like when the RX480 when that first came out.

 

[NeverBackDown]

And for all we know these new Vega cards could turn out like when the RX480 when that first came out.

Ie. A great card. That is a compliment. If you wanted to insult, should have said 470. That was a rough one...

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Ie. A great card. That is a compliment. If you wanted to insult, should have said 470. That was a rough one...

Yeah, the RX 480 is a crackin' GPU. If Crossfire was better supported I would have strongly considered upgrading to dual RX 480. No qualms with that GPU. At launch it was disappointing, but it was clearly overhyped and clearly needed more time to mature before being released.


I think there is a lot of unfounded negativity. I know my hopes were likely a little too high. Guys like AdoredTV took the words "Vega will be very, very competitive" and began expanding on it. More realistically, if Vega 10 comes in at the right price point, it'll sell; and maybe that's what Lisa Su meant when she said "very, very competitive". Maybe it won't sell to many Fury owners like initially expected, but 10% above 1080 performance five months before release is not bad. If the price is below a 1080, that'll sell. No it won't beat a 1080ti, but I never expected it would. When Vega rumours began circulating last year, I initially posted on OC3D that I'd like around 1080 performance for €600 in DX11 and above that in DX12/Vulkan. No, that's not groundbreaking and would be a year late, but it's around the performance level I was hoping for.

The Fury X disappointed, yet really it's only behind a 980ti because of the 980ti's insane scaling with clock speeds. If Fury X had been $50 cheaper and wasn't locked to an AIO it would have been a very good GPU. If AMD can reproduce that without the high TDP of the Fury X, ditch the AIO, and increase the memory so that the card can last a little longer, I think it'll be a fine GPU. Maybe it won't blow us away (unlike AMD's bold claim of "Poor Volta", or like the Titan XP has), but the pessimism is as unfounded as the hype. The idea that AMD are through making GPU's because of a mediocre CES showing five months before release is unnecessarily damning.

I'll keep up with the rumours and all that, but I won't get my hopes up. If it ends up being a worthy upgrade over a Fury, I'll get one. If it doesn't maybe I'll just suck it up and stick with what I've got and wait for Vega 20 or Navi. Maybe those GPU's will step things up since they'll hopefully have RyZen money powering them forward.

 

[NeverBackDown]

There's really no point in paying attention to benchmarks. It probably won't release till late April or mid May, there's a lot of time for driver's to improve and they probably have about a month to finalize clock speeds/boost clocks. I'm excited for the actual features and updates they put in the architecture, but numbers don't mean much to me atm yet.