AlienALX
Well-known member
I was just raised to have manners. Is that so rare these days then? (in fact, don't answer that I already know)
AMD reportedly moves forward the RX Vega 56's review embargo
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I was just raised to have manners. Is that so rare these days then? (in fact, don't answer that I already know)
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I'm not offended? I am just saying it seems kinda rude to draw on it. Doesn't bother me personally. I don't see anyone here overreacting tbh. I mean I guess when you get free expensive crap all the time drawing on something that other people have to spend hundreds of dollars on to get changes your perspective. Which is why he did it
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Sorry I didn't mean you two, Brain fart, I meant the comments in the video, I thought it but never typed it out ^_^
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I agree with this, and I apply it to TTL as well. So many here laud Tom and I don't get it. He's just a dude doing his best. He's not special.
But at the same time, you could flip the adage around and say that all these reviewers that are afraid to spill the beans do so because they are humans and fallible. They make mistakes. I've read reviews by Tom where he praised a product and I could not see why. Yet you guys (and myself to a lesser degree) take his word as the only word on the net. I've seen folks say it: 'I am only go to TTL because he's the only one I can trust.' Not to me he's not. I trust TTL like I trust any human—with a big pinch of salt.
I don't trust you, Alien, when you say "Vega is a dog's mess in a pretty dress." I completely disagree with such flagrant over-dramatisation. It's an arrogant and ignorant statement since we do not even have the final product. If it ends up being bad, then we'll judge it based on that. But to claim guilty before we've seen the full gamut of evidence is why films like 12 Angry Men are so poignant 70 years later.
AlienALX
Well-known member
FWIW I trust Tom more than pretty much any one else. It's rare that he makes mistakes, but when he does he is as upfront at admitting them as any one else. More so, in fact. I don't like it when these reviewers throw strops. That is what annoys me the most. TBH? I think it's more of an American thing, because they are raised on stuff like Jerry Springer so learn at a young age to "go nuclear" as soon as something annoys them.
They can also be terribly hypocritical. This is something else Tom avoids. Tom is not really invovled with this "elite group" of reviewers and I like that. Like I said, they think they are celebrities or something.
When I say hypocritical I mean look at Linus's face when he talks about how Bit-Tech got a jump on every one else and reviewed the I9 early. Or was it an I7? I dunno man, so many CPUs come out lately my head is spinning ! any way, his face said it all. He looked super peeved. However, the look of joy on his face as he was on the stage at that event, and the bragging about how he had the new Alienware and could therefore bench TR before any one else? yeah, that is what annoys me. They will trample all over each other where they can, cutting throats as they go.
As I said, I trust Tom more than any one else. He may not be fully open when he does reviews (as I said, if you do that you end up a failed journo like Stuart Campbell) but, if you ask him straight out on his forum or whatever he will give you a honest reply. He's stopped me buying a few mutton steaks that dressed themselves as lamb over the years.
As for Vega? that's my opinion. The silver ones are gorgeous, just absolutely gorgeous. The packaging on the reviewer cards is stunning, and the extras a nice touch. But it's not a good product. This is not Ryzen. It's late, badly delayed, the hype train has derailed etc etc. Those are just the facts. It's (the 56) hardly any better than a 1070 and is set to cost what? £400. So it does not represent good value either, plus it chows down on leccy (maybe not so much as the 64 but still FAR too much for a modern GPU) and it runs hot.
So what makes a good GPU? pretty much none of that. That is what we look at when we look at GPUs.
So yeah, it's a mess. There's just no getting away from it sadly. I wanted AMD to give Nvidia a slap just like they have Intel, but it just hasn't happened.
I don't think it's over dramatised either, because this is a serious launch that we have waited two years for. Many want to buy AMD to avoid Nvidia but even those people are buying up 1080Tis and 1080s.
As I stated before, this card will do well selling to miners. *BUT* as some one pointed out today on another forum, when the bubble pops the market will be absolutely flooded with dirt cheap 4XX cards and 5XX cards, killing any new sales for AMD.
Some one told me about this mining farm in Iceland that uses 25,000 GPUs. Everything AMD has been able to produce, basically. But when the bubble bursts (and it will) the market will so so saturated with second hand GPUs that it would be nuts to pay the high price for a new one.
They can also be terribly hypocritical. This is something else Tom avoids. Tom is not really invovled with this "elite group" of reviewers and I like that. Like I said, they think they are celebrities or something.
When I say hypocritical I mean look at Linus's face when he talks about how Bit-Tech got a jump on every one else and reviewed the I9 early. Or was it an I7? I dunno man, so many CPUs come out lately my head is spinning ! any way, his face said it all. He looked super peeved. However, the look of joy on his face as he was on the stage at that event, and the bragging about how he had the new Alienware and could therefore bench TR before any one else? yeah, that is what annoys me. They will trample all over each other where they can, cutting throats as they go.
As I said, I trust Tom more than any one else. He may not be fully open when he does reviews (as I said, if you do that you end up a failed journo like Stuart Campbell) but, if you ask him straight out on his forum or whatever he will give you a honest reply. He's stopped me buying a few mutton steaks that dressed themselves as lamb over the years.
As for Vega? that's my opinion. The silver ones are gorgeous, just absolutely gorgeous. The packaging on the reviewer cards is stunning, and the extras a nice touch. But it's not a good product. This is not Ryzen. It's late, badly delayed, the hype train has derailed etc etc. Those are just the facts. It's (the 56) hardly any better than a 1070 and is set to cost what? £400. So it does not represent good value either, plus it chows down on leccy (maybe not so much as the 64 but still FAR too much for a modern GPU) and it runs hot.
So what makes a good GPU? pretty much none of that. That is what we look at when we look at GPUs.
So yeah, it's a mess. There's just no getting away from it sadly. I wanted AMD to give Nvidia a slap just like they have Intel, but it just hasn't happened.
I don't think it's over dramatised either, because this is a serious launch that we have waited two years for. Many want to buy AMD to avoid Nvidia but even those people are buying up 1080Tis and 1080s.
As I stated before, this card will do well selling to miners. *BUT* as some one pointed out today on another forum, when the bubble pops the market will be absolutely flooded with dirt cheap 4XX cards and 5XX cards, killing any new sales for AMD.
Some one told me about this mining farm in Iceland that uses 25,000 GPUs. Everything AMD has been able to produce, basically. But when the bubble bursts (and it will) the market will so so saturated with second hand GPUs that it would be nuts to pay the high price for a new one.
Korreborg
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AlienALX
Well-known member
Yup and then it dies out again. TBH? it seems AMD have finally found a good match for GCN. I mean crap, when it's supported properly in gaming they have a nice jump over Nvidia. But that, until it is fully supported (the 12th of never) is about all they have going for them.
It's why Fermi was so amazing at folding and why the 58xx were so poo. Because Fermi was a massive kitchen sink.
So yeah, I hope this keeps going at least to keep AMD in the GPU game so they can pick themselves up, dust themselves down and continue trying. Navi is a bloody great idea, let's hope it gets supported.
It's why Fermi was so amazing at folding and why the 58xx were so poo. Because Fermi was a massive kitchen sink.
So yeah, I hope this keeps going at least to keep AMD in the GPU game so they can pick themselves up, dust themselves down and continue trying. Navi is a bloody great idea, let's hope it gets supported.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
That's an aspect I really dig about OC3D. It's not part of any clique or ground of reviewers that all chum together and swap stories. It's independent and free of pretension. And it's quite possible that is due in part to Tom being English.
I noticed that too, but I wouldn't let it stop me from watching LTT if something of theirs interested me. One, or even two, fowl-ups doesn't nullify all future content.
There are rumours that RX Vega 64 and 56 will draw less power and be cooler than Frontier Edition, but I can't remember the specifics so we'll just have to wait and see. Like you I predict Vega 64 will be inefficient and late. But that doesn't mean it's not similar to Ryzen—at least in part.
Imagine if Intel had released Skylake as a 6-core CPU range when they could have. Or if Intel had dropped prices on their 8 and 10 CPU's to a reasonable amount and given all HEDT CPU's proper TIM and PCI-e lanes. Ryzen would actually be behind right about now and Threadripper would not be the complete pwner that it is. They'd have to play the price war with Intel releasing a 1600X at £150 and a 16-core CPU for £600. They can't do that with Nvidia because Nvidia will just drop their prices. Intel are too stubborn and arrogant for that. So my point is, Vega might not be a success, but not solely because it's late or because it's "dog poo", it's also because Pascal was a huge success. Ryzen is a huge success because Intel are lazy. Nvidia have their faults, but they are far and away better than Intel. Ryzen is great, but it's not perfect. If Intel hadn't rested on their laurels and shady business tactics, Ryzen and Threadripper would have been two years late to the game. Ryzen's success is therefore a product of Intel's failure. Vega will likely not be a failure due to Pascal's success.
Now, I've said that before and I'm beginning to sound like a broken record. The idea of a product standing on its own merits in such a competitive space that constantly evolves is obviously a fallacy, but there is legitimacy to it when you focus on it in the right way.
Until I see the final product, I'm not taking your word for it.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Yeah, that worries me too. Maybe that's why they're less focused on Vega X2 this time around since no one should have to use a 1200W PSU for 2-way GPU setups. It's likely that we'll be able to reduce the wattage and use Wattman to reduce power consumption, but it should not have to be necessary.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Well we will find out tomorrow.... Like in 12 hours or so
MacLeod
New member
As an American I have to sadly agree. The millennial generation over here are so entitled and spoiled that if something doesn't go their way, they throw a tantrum. Not to get political but that's what's spawned the ridiculous antifa group of terrorists over here. They're literally throwing a temper tantrum because their candidate didn't win.
I think there are still a few trust worthy US sites, HardOCP being one. I've been active there a while and I've seen them go at it with AMD, Nvidia and a few other brands. Kyle's last bout was with AMD about Vega last year and got all kinds of crap stirred up but looks like he was 100% right about it (hot, power hungry and slower than Nvidia). I also really like they abuse the crap out of their products they review like sticking a motherboard in an oven for a couple days while it runs Prime95. I kinda like that "over the top" kind of testing.
OC3D and [H] are really the only 2 sites that I'd consider my "go to" place to check a product before buying it. Hardware Canucks is another one that does very good reviews that I've been frequenting a while. Anand would also be up there but that's about it. The rest are all kinda 2nd tier IMO.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
While I agree with the millennials, I don't think it's really an American thing exclusively. I also believe it's not just the millennials, but the people prior who raised them or are currently doing so. (millennials are from ages 0/35 currently)
If you go to Texas for example, you'll find so many well mannered people/kids. They don't put up with your crap. Now you go to the popular states? Like CA/NY? Or really any liberal state, you'll find a bunch of pansies. EVERYWHERE. I haven't been to most states, in fact 45, but the ones I have been too(excluding Florida), were either Liberal or Republicans. And something interesting happens, all the red states, were so much better from a social standpoint. The blue ones... yep. Just yep.
IDK how this turned into Vega to spoiled millennials though.. lol
What is it, like 8 hours until Vega now? Let's focus on that
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MacLeod
New member
What is it, like 8 hours until Vega now? Let's focus on that
Couldn't agree more! I'm sitting here now watching TTL videos (Fractal Celsius review currently) on coolers trying to piece together my next rig while waiting on Vega reviews.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I'm looking forward to a gallon of Tea and Vega RX56 and 64 reviews this afternoon personally I think the 56 will be the better buy
I think you're right. Fury was the better buy last time as well, but only because of the locked PCB design and AIO of the Fury X. If the fully unlocked Fiji core was also available on air for $600 then I think it might have been more popular. We don't have that issue this time around, but even at a lower price of $500 for Vega 64, I think the value proposition and maybe its overclocking is what will give Vega 54 the most sales in the gaming sector.
