CreatiXx
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thats the thing with the european law or atleast the law in Belgium, they HAVE to refund within 14 days without any question. Some shops exceed those 14 days and give people 30, but there's a minimun of 14 as far as i know.
AMD R9 390X Teardown Reveals a Complete R9 290X Rebrand
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thats the thing with the european law or atleast the law in Belgium, they HAVE to refund within 14 days without any question. Some shops exceed those 14 days and give people 30, but there's a minimun of 14 as far as i know.
AlienALX
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Indeed. It smacks of deceit and they are trying to trick people by not being up front. In this case I really don't recall seeing an official AMD slide that points out it's nothing but their old card under a new name.
And that's gay. Not in the homosexual sense but just in the completely gay sense. I thought they were better than that but it seems not.
With Kepler we saw a whole new gen of cards. 650ti first was it? then the 670 and 680, then the 780, ti and Titan. Then we had a refresh with Titan Black.
Then it was 750ti, 970 and 980, and now Titan X and ti. No rebrands there apart from the 760 but Nvidia needed that to sit in between the 750ti and higher end cards.
What I'm saying is Nvidia don't rebrand high end cards and market them as high end cards.
I'll admit I ain't going to be the most fun guy to hang with at the moment because I am completely bemused with PC gear and any passion I had has totally wilted away leaving me feeling incredibly cold. I mean, I really just don't care any more. That may change when winter comes back but right now I don't care for any of it, let alone rebrands and so on.
I don't know where AMD lost the plot and why they've been so crap for the past few years but man, things are bad. They just keep making one mistake after the other and as 3DFX learned you really can't keep doing that. AMD really ought to be a distant memory by now with some of the crap they've pulled over the past few years, let alone be repeating their mistakes again.
It's almost like some one wants the bailiffs in.
Ive told AMD we will be running news articles being very clear that 390X isnt top of the range to try and stop impulse pre orders and mistake purchases.
Technically in their defense we are and were expecting the 390X to be the top of the range card like it was in the previous gen. So its our expectations at fault here too.
U wot
AMD have had some great achievements recently, the 290X has been a phenomenal card for much of it's existence always putting up astounding price/performance. Particularly of late when it's dropped significantly below 970 pricing. Rebranding that, hopefully refining the cooler and keeping things cheap is a great move.
The 295X2 made a total joke of every one of nVidia's single card efforts and now they are smashing it out at a ridiculous price point. At the lower end of the market they've always been on point providing strong solutions for the money.
They have fallen down in some areas, and that is most critically just peoples perception of the cards, not helped by the fact they made the 290 and 290X reference exclusive for such a long time. Clearly they won't make that mistake with this iteration, which like it or not will almost definitely deliver performance wise. Their partners should have enough experience to deal with the heat by now and with any luck the cooling solutions will be far more consistent. Discussing this any further without knowing AMD's pricing is a bit pointless IMO, they have done the right thing given their financial situation.
JR
just waiting sneaky ^^
AlienALX
Well-known member
The problem is the 970 has also been dropping in value and could be had for the same price, £230. I know because my mate got one and even got Witcher 3 thrown in. That makes it cheaper.
At launch the 290 and 290x were good cards. Sadly that was over 20 months ago and when compared to the Titan X and 980ti they are poor. They also like to guzzle power and need very good cooling, so Crossfire will be a pain considering there are no half decent blower coolers.
The 295x2 is a dual GPU card and the drivers over the past six months are nothing but laughable, with AMD insulting their users by pulling off the 'when it's ready' trick. Now see Valve can get away with that because they are selling games. Telling that to some one who just paid £600 for a card that pretty much no longer works with the latest games is an insult, mate.
TBH your sticking up for them is all well and good but if you take a look around you the mood when it comes to AMD is pretty bloody poor.
They are in big trouble is putting it lightly, and unless Fury conclusively beats the Titan X people will just buy 980ti (those who haven't already)
Nvidia also actually did have a dual GPU card. Titan Z. But it was a showpiece because they don't take that market very seriously. Trust me, if they wanted to they could destroy the 295x2 by launching a dual 980 card.
At launch the 290 and 290x were good cards. Sadly that was over 20 months ago and when compared to the Titan X and 980ti they are poor. They also like to guzzle power and need very good cooling, so Crossfire will be a pain considering there are no half decent blower coolers.
The 295x2 is a dual GPU card and the drivers over the past six months are nothing but laughable, with AMD insulting their users by pulling off the 'when it's ready' trick. Now see Valve can get away with that because they are selling games. Telling that to some one who just paid £600 for a card that pretty much no longer works with the latest games is an insult, mate.
TBH your sticking up for them is all well and good but if you take a look around you the mood when it comes to AMD is pretty bloody poor.
They are in big trouble is putting it lightly, and unless Fury conclusively beats the Titan X people will just buy 980ti (those who haven't already)
Nvidia also actually did have a dual GPU card. Titan Z. But it was a showpiece because they don't take that market very seriously. Trust me, if they wanted to they could destroy the 295x2 by launching a dual 980 card.
barnsley
born in a.....
It would have been a dual 780Ti card as the 295x2 was out before the 9xx series really showed up. The Z was pretty much Nvidia acting like they had the monopoly with dual gpu cards only to seemingly realize at the last minute that no one would give it a positive review and that they could never sell it at a price to compete with the 295x2.
Sounds far more legit to me. Historically nVidia have taken it pretty seriously, 690 was definitely serious, they had plenty of chances to rock up with a 790 but that would clearly have heat issues. Their power draw really wasn't that dissimilar to AMD at the time, it's a shame they didn't have the sense to market them with an AIO or Poseidon style cooler.
Comparing 'cards' rather than GPU's for a moment it's very interesting how nVidia hushed away the Titan Z to make the Titan X their flagship.
JR
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
You missed more irony.. so by your logic, every new architecture name is new because they have new names, Since Sandy Bridge is indeed Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge is indeed Ivy Bridge. You do realize the biggest difference between Kepler and Maxwell is the fact Maxwell just divided the same amount of cores into smaller more manageable units by adding 4x the amount of logic controllers right? Ya that's definitely all new.. not an evolution of an existing design or anything.. it takes a very very long time before any Chip company builds an entirely new Architecture. The last AMD did that was when jumping to GCN back in 2011, Nvidia when jumping to Fermi back in 2009.. so much for Nvidia leading in New architectures.You could even make the argument they haven't released a whole new design since 2007 when cuda was first introduced as a new "unified architecture" which has been present since then in every new architecture released.
Think your flaming of AMD should stop in this thread.. it doesn't benefit anyone and side tracks the thread.
But back on topic, AMD are expected to release their new cards at The PC Gaming Show tonight.. Or at least announce them. I'm excited even if for rebrands because it's still better than what I have and the current cards aren't bad at all. I wanna see some real Fiji cards to see what the big lipped secret is about
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The metal on those shrouds looks really good, especially considering the R9 2XX cooler
Kaapstad
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You missed more irony.. so by your logic, every new architecture name is new because they have new names, Since Sandy Bridge is indeed Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge is indeed Ivy Bridge. You do realize the biggest difference between Kepler and Maxwell is the fact Maxwell just divided the same amount of cores into smaller more manageable units by adding 4x the amount of logic controllers right? Ya that's definitely all new.. not an evolution of an existing design or anything.. it takes a very very long time before any Chip company builds an entirely new Architecture. The last AMD did that was when jumping to GCN back in 2011, Nvidia when jumping to Fermi back in 2009.. so much for Nvidia leading in New architectures.You could even make the argument they haven't released a whole new design since 2007 when cuda was first introduced as a new "unified architecture" which has been present since then in every new architecture released.
Think your flaming of AMD should stop in this thread.. it doesn't benefit anyone and side tracks the thread.
But back on topic, AMD are expected to release their new cards at The PC Gaming Show tonight.. Or at least announce them. I'm excited even if for rebrands because it's still better than what I have and the current cards aren't bad at all. I wanna see some real Fiji cards to see what the big lipped secret is about
I think you will find the 390X is a much more polished card than the 290X.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I know? I've been saying that for weeks lol^_^
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