AMD Predicted to go Bankrupt by 2020

[AlienALX]

That's quite a different scenario though.

Physx was originally done by a company called AGEIA and was VERY small, Nvidia bought them out as we know and Physx is featured in a tiny amount of games.

AMD have their own version of G-Sync that works exactly the same way so that isn't a point of contention either.

DX12 which is a HUGE feature and the basis of every future game that both AMD and Nvidia are both going to use and if suddenly only parts of the actual API worked with AMD hardware, Well that would result in a long drawn out court case which no body wants and would tarnish Microsoft's rep.

By all means have exclusive features like Physx for Nvidia, TressFX for AMD etc... but when parts of the actual API are made to run better or only on specific hardware that's when things can get slippery.

If Nvidia had their way Physx would be in everything and would have been the killer app they were praying it was. It wasn't.

DX is an API, so therefore if Microsoft write it they can do what they like with it I would imagine.

I didn't say make things that run better. That's not what I said. I meant features that Nvidia don't have and then place emphasis on those features. You know? rubbish like Physx and so on. If Microsoft owned AMD they would be well within their rights to make such "killer apps" and there's nothing Nvidia could do about it apart from create their own API (like AMD did with Mantle, look how well that went...).

AMD could, for example, come up with a lighting method and make it hardware. Then support it fully in DX12 only make it run like crap without that supporting hardware (you know like Hairworks, Physx and so on). However, if they made a good few of those features..

Normally I would not wish so much bad on a company but I hate Nvidia and I hate what they have done over the years. They've peed off an awful, awful lot of people and companies. They were so arrogant to Intel Intel basically stopped them making motherboards by refusing to license them sockets for Intel processors. And it just goes on.

 

[Dicehunter]

If Nvidia had their way Physx would be in everything and would have been the killer app they were praying it was. It wasn't.

DX is an API, so therefore if Microsoft write it they can do what they like with it I would imagine.

I didn't say make things that run better. That's not what I said. I meant features that Nvidia don't have and then place emphasis on those features. You know? rubbish like Physx and so on. If Microsoft owned AMD they would be well within their rights to make such "killer apps" and there's nothing Nvidia could do about it apart from create their own API (like AMD did with Mantle, look how well that went...).

AMD could, for example, come up with a lighting method and make it hardware. Then support it fully in DX12 only make it run like crap without that supporting hardware (you know like Hairworks, Physx and so on). However, if they made a good few of those features..

Normally I would not wish so much bad on a company but I hate Nvidia and I hate what they have done over the years. They've peed off an awful, awful lot of people and companies. They were so arrogant to Intel Intel basically stopped them making motherboards by refusing to license them sockets for Intel processors. And it just goes on.

Nvidia do badly need a kick up the jacksie I fully agree on that, They've been too smug for too long, Even when watching their announcements when the CEO comes out on stage with that smug "We have your money" look on his face I just wanna slap him with a fish ^_^

 

[Kushiro]

Sorry didnt read all the posts but: MiAMD M'Cvidia :lol:


(wasnt meant to make any sense nor contribute)

 

[AlienALX]

Well contrary to all of the Nvidia fan posts on other forums (not this one) I think Fury could be quite successful if AMD can actually get it out there for sale. Something they seem to be really struggling with lately.

It's a shame. Got a mate about to buy a 980ti because you literally can't buy Fury (USA). AMD have a week but I can't see any improvement coming.

 

[JR23]

Well contrary to all of the Nvidia fan posts on other forums (not this one) I think Fury could be quite successful if AMD can actually get it out there for sale. Something they seem to be really struggling with lately.

It's a shame. Got a mate about to buy a 980ti because you literally can't buy Fury (USA). AMD have a week but I can't see any improvement coming.

I always rage quit when I can't buy unreleased products.

JR

 

[AlienALX]

I always rage quit when I can't buy unreleased products.

JR

It's frustrating man, that's for sure. I'm glad I'm not waiting for Fury right now or I'd be climbing the walls :S

 

[Dicehunter]

It's frustrating man, that's for sure. I'm glad I'm not waiting for Fury right now or I'd be climbing the walls :S

I just pre-ordered one, It will get here when it gets here

 

[Jbo1234]

Erm don't think so ! Physx and G-Sync are exclusive to Nvidia and I don't see them in court. Mantle is AMD only, don't see a problem there either.

So if Microsoft made certain DX12 features AMD only down to hardware there's bugger all they could do.

The difference is that MS owns Windows and would be buying a company to give preferential treatment. Also it isn't something as small as a physic engine (which has numerous alternatives) or g-sync which again is small.

 

[Dicehunter]

The difference is that MS owns Windows and would be buying a company to give preferential treatment. Also it isn't something as small as a physic engine (which has numerous alternatives) or g-sync which again is small.

Agreed, Making certain parts of an API vendor specific could potentially backfire badly on them.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't see how. Mantle is vendor specific.

 

[Dicehunter]

I don't see how. Mantle is vendor specific.

That's an actual API made by AMD though.

DX12 is used by both AMD and Nvidia and if suddenly that same API has parts cut off it to only be used by AMD then that will cause a backlash, It's just basic logic, It will cause butt tons of aggro.

 

[AlienALX]

That's an actual API made by AMD though.

DX12 is used by both AMD and Nvidia and if suddenly that same API has parts cut off it to only be used by AMD then that will cause a backlash, It's just basic logic, It will cause butt tons of aggro.

Well it's the sort of crap Nvidia have pulled for years. They both do it now. Gaming evolved, Nvidia Gameworks...

At least TressFX worked well on Nvidia. Can't say the same for Hairworks and AMD cards.

I would imagine Microsoft hate Nvidia as much as any one else. They've seriously, seriously burned their bridges over the years. Their problem is they mouth off and give it the big one to major companies like Intel and Foxconn and so on. So Intel punished them. Now all they have is GPUs and that pathetic attempt at a tablet/gaming toy that needs a £1000 anchor. Oh yeah, and that stupid console that's going to flop too.

So I'm absolutely sure Microsoft could make their lives very, very hard and all perfectly legal and above board.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well it's the sort of crap Nvidia have pulled for years. They both do it now. Gaming evolved, Nvidia Gameworks...

At least TressFX worked well on Nvidia. Can't say the same for Hairworks and AMD cards.

I would imagine Microsoft hate Nvidia as much as any one else. They've seriously, seriously burned their bridges over the years. Their problem is they mouth off and give it the big one to major companies like Intel and Foxconn and so on. So Intel punished them. Now all they have is GPUs and that pathetic attempt at a tablet/gaming toy that needs a £1000 anchor. Oh yeah, and that stupid console that's going to flop too.

So I'm absolutely sure Microsoft could make their lives very, very hard and all perfectly legal and above board.

API's and graphical libraries are different in that regard though, Not saying they won't do it but it will cause a backlash from the community even bigger than the current Gameworks debacle.

 

[AlienALX]

API's and graphical libraries are different in that regard though, Not saying they won't do it but it will cause a backlash from the community even bigger than the current Gameworks debacle.

Well as it stands it's almost like Microsoft are banging their (AMD and Nvidia's) heads together. I just hope this true multi GPU thing works out. That would be amazing.

Scaling at API level. Honestly, it's the stuff dreams are made of !

 

[Dicehunter]

Well as it stands it's almost like Microsoft are banging their (AMD and Nvidia's) heads together. I just hope this true multi GPU thing works out. That would be amazing.

Scaling at API level. Honestly, it's the stuff dreams are made of !

As much as I would love to see that I have a feeling Nvidia will put up roadblocks to stop such a union of GPU's.

 

[AlienALX]

As much as I would love to see that I have a feeling Nvidia will put up roadblocks to stop such a union of GPU's.

Well they can't. They're not writing the API and they either get with it or get without it.

DX12 is money for them as much as AMD, can't see them making waves.

Mind you, let em. Will just pee MS off even more.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well they can't. They're not writing the API and they either get with it or get without it.

DX12 is money for them as much as AMD, can't see them making waves.

Mind you, let em. Will just pee MS off even more.

They can easily block it in the firmware if they don't want it which I can see them doing.

 

[Doomslayer]

Well i'm watching The Tek with Logan and Wendell floated the idea of Valve to buy AMD to me it kinda makes sense.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well i'm watching The Tek with Logan and Wendell floated the idea of Valve to buy AMD to me it kinda makes sense.

Well Valve are worth around $3 billion and AMD are roughly under $2 billion from a quick google search so it could happen but Valve would be risking an awful lot if AMD went south.

Plus Valve can't even manage to talk about Half Life, Could you imagine them talking about GPU's ? It would be horrendous ^_^

 

[joca94]

MS buys AMD- Nvidia fanboy tries to instal Windows on his PC, 99% completed- Nvidia GPU has been detected, unable to instal windows, please purchase AMD GPU if you wish to use Windows System.