AMD Market Share Crash, 3 out of 4 use Nvidia GPUs
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Everyone here is saying AMD can't go under and etc yet how many of you have GTX 900 series card? More of you do than AMD cards i'll bet.
Reason why AMD is failing:
1. People think there drivers suck. False.. i think they are better tbh. Plus they seem to get more performance from them. Crossfire Profiles don't really make a difference, so really AMD and Nvidia are even there, Nvidia just release more often but its not like they improve performance like AMD does.
2. People think You get what you pay for. Debatable and not always true.. 290x is faster and cheaper than a 970.. yet people will get the 970. Hell a 290 is damn near the same as a 970 and it's even more cheap in comparison. Only thing Nvidia currently has is the 980 and TX, yet i can get 290x in Crossfire for hardly anymore than some base 980s... but people will still get a 980.
3. Nvidia seems to have every single PC Game Maker in their pocket. Nearly every single one advertsies more Nvidia cards than AMD and Nvidia cards are more often then not at the top of the list, potentially equating more sales.
4. Nvididiots. Got some hardcore fanboys that always jump to save them.. swear it's identical to Apple but for PC computing.
5. People give AMD shit for nearly everything. They do something good, meh gets some press. Something bad? Hold the pebbles and throw the shit. Nvidia do something bad? No one really cares. Look at the 970 for example.. many people got pissed and then upgraded to a 980.. i mean what? That's punishing them? How? That or they tried for a refund got denied and kept it. Or just didn't care... AMD business would have been gone under for that. Nvidia do something good? People praise them..
6. AMD are open source. Nvidia are closed. Again like Android vs Apple here.. not entirely but it has some truth to it
7. Mobile. Nearly everything has Nvidia GPUs. Probably due to power consumption but i don't know.. never bothered with mobile. Don't care about it tbh. But nonetheless it hurts AMD a lot when it's pretty impossible to find any AMD mobile GPU laptops out there
8. AMD has a CPU business. Nvidia does not. Nvidia can focus more into their GPU business while AMD has to split it and compete with Intel. Also the fact Intel controlls nearly everything... though owning the best fabs in the world will do that..
9. AMD's CPU business has failed since FX was born. Bulldozer sucked, Piledriver was much better.. yet no one cared because its AMD and they got a bad taste in their mouth from the Bulldozer.. honestly AMD cpu's like the 8320 are bomb for the money, $100 less and put that towards a GPU and you'll get more FPS.. But again people want Intel.. hurts AMD
10. Add all this up and everything is stacked against AMD tbh. Consoles won't provide much more revenue. Especially since they are starting to drop off in YoY figures.
AMD are, in my honest non fanboy opinion, the better company than Nvidia. I orginally got into computers thinking Nvidia was everything(another problem i suppose to new people getting into computers) but as time went on my opinion has changed to AMD being better. If they fail then i guess i'll be stuck with my 7950 for a long ass time or i'll just buy 290x in Crossfire when they clear stock. Nvidia won't get my money for a long time. They need to earn it and not be so damn greedy.
Reason why AMD is failing:
1. People think there drivers suck. False.. i think they are better tbh. Plus they seem to get more performance from them. Crossfire Profiles don't really make a difference, so really AMD and Nvidia are even there, Nvidia just release more often but its not like they improve performance like AMD does.
2. People think You get what you pay for. Debatable and not always true.. 290x is faster and cheaper than a 970.. yet people will get the 970. Hell a 290 is damn near the same as a 970 and it's even more cheap in comparison. Only thing Nvidia currently has is the 980 and TX, yet i can get 290x in Crossfire for hardly anymore than some base 980s... but people will still get a 980.
3. Nvidia seems to have every single PC Game Maker in their pocket. Nearly every single one advertsies more Nvidia cards than AMD and Nvidia cards are more often then not at the top of the list, potentially equating more sales.
4. Nvididiots. Got some hardcore fanboys that always jump to save them.. swear it's identical to Apple but for PC computing.
5. People give AMD shit for nearly everything. They do something good, meh gets some press. Something bad? Hold the pebbles and throw the shit. Nvidia do something bad? No one really cares. Look at the 970 for example.. many people got pissed and then upgraded to a 980.. i mean what? That's punishing them? How? That or they tried for a refund got denied and kept it. Or just didn't care... AMD business would have been gone under for that. Nvidia do something good? People praise them..
6. AMD are open source. Nvidia are closed. Again like Android vs Apple here.. not entirely but it has some truth to it
7. Mobile. Nearly everything has Nvidia GPUs. Probably due to power consumption but i don't know.. never bothered with mobile. Don't care about it tbh. But nonetheless it hurts AMD a lot when it's pretty impossible to find any AMD mobile GPU laptops out there
8. AMD has a CPU business. Nvidia does not. Nvidia can focus more into their GPU business while AMD has to split it and compete with Intel. Also the fact Intel controlls nearly everything... though owning the best fabs in the world will do that..
9. AMD's CPU business has failed since FX was born. Bulldozer sucked, Piledriver was much better.. yet no one cared because its AMD and they got a bad taste in their mouth from the Bulldozer.. honestly AMD cpu's like the 8320 are bomb for the money, $100 less and put that towards a GPU and you'll get more FPS.. But again people want Intel.. hurts AMD
10. Add all this up and everything is stacked against AMD tbh. Consoles won't provide much more revenue. Especially since they are starting to drop off in YoY figures.
AMD are, in my honest non fanboy opinion, the better company than Nvidia. I orginally got into computers thinking Nvidia was everything(another problem i suppose to new people getting into computers) but as time went on my opinion has changed to AMD being better. If they fail then i guess i'll be stuck with my 7950 for a long ass time or i'll just buy 290x in Crossfire when they clear stock. Nvidia won't get my money for a long time. They need to earn it and not be so damn greedy.
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Zoot
Active member
I'd be more concerned about the financials, which are pretty terrible again. Another loss this quarter and a 26% drop in revenue year on year. Some people refer to that as a "Bloodbath".
http://techreport.com/news/28130/amd-posts-180-million-loss-shutters-seamicro-business
I hate to say it, but with those kind of financials quarter after quarter I wouldn't be too hopeful for Zen, Skybridge or any other of the technologies a year or two down their roadmap.
http://techreport.com/news/28130/amd-posts-180-million-loss-shutters-seamicro-business
I hate to say it, but with those kind of financials quarter after quarter I wouldn't be too hopeful for Zen, Skybridge or any other of the technologies a year or two down their roadmap.
Thelosouvlakia
Classy-Fried-Chicken
It had to be said man, I couldn't have done it better my self!! :notworthy::notworthy:
Excalabur50
Well-known member
The biggest problem with AMD is they are far too slow with their releases I had a pair of 7970's and they were great cards but their 290 series were just too hot which whether it is fully justified or not stays in the back of your mind, but despite all of that if AMD had a better offering at the time of my purchase I might have gone with them over the 980's.
But as it stood the price for older architecture at least here in Australia did NOT make them a viable choice and lets face it what's not to like about a cooler, quieter and more energy efficient card and sure it can easily be argued that the price to efficiency rating you don't really save in the long run.
But really when all is said and done ATM Nvidia have cooler, quieter and better for the most part, performing cards so that is why people myself included are purchasing their cards.
TBH I would love to see AMD release an Absolute Stonker of a card to put the wind up Nvidia and to keep competition alive but as time passes I'm beginning to feel less and less that AMD are up to the task which at the end of the day is a sad thing as we won't get the innovation that we need with just one GPU manufacturer in the market place
But as it stood the price for older architecture at least here in Australia did NOT make them a viable choice and lets face it what's not to like about a cooler, quieter and more energy efficient card and sure it can easily be argued that the price to efficiency rating you don't really save in the long run.
But really when all is said and done ATM Nvidia have cooler, quieter and better for the most part, performing cards so that is why people myself included are purchasing their cards.
TBH I would love to see AMD release an Absolute Stonker of a card to put the wind up Nvidia and to keep competition alive but as time passes I'm beginning to feel less and less that AMD are up to the task which at the end of the day is a sad thing as we won't get the innovation that we need with just one GPU manufacturer in the market place
agree with almost everything there, except I do recall a certain someone disagreeing with me when i said that the whole 970 mess would just blow over. Anyways the main reason why I wouldnt even bother considering AMD for a notebook is because their last GPU was literally the 7970m.
Nonetheless your post almost made me dig out my 290xs from storage and have them switch places with my 980s.
The driver part is definitely truem Nvidias drivers are doing pretty s*** lately, AMD were doing really well, however they are slowing down too.
barnsley
born in a.....
They've had a 290m and a 295m out for a bit now. The 295m is pretty much Apple exclusive but its basically a desktop 285 with a bit more vram.
Dawelio
Active member
Wouldnt AMD cards get no driver updates if they fail though? Or am I missing something here. Nonetheless, it isnt likely that AMD will fall. They may end up being bought out, but thats about it. Plenty of people with too much money laying around that can afford to lose it.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Drivers would stop but for the near future i'd say its worth the investment. When they clear stock it's not like your paying much anyways.
But yeah someone would buy them out. Hopefully not samsung.. honestly just no. I don't want them building GPUs. If someone bought them and owned them and allowed AMD to continue doing what they do that's fine(obviously helping the owner as well). That's the only way i'd buy another card from them... just no one except Intel and Nvidia have GPU arch's meant for PCs.
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