AMD announce Two new CPUs

[WYP]

Now AMD needs to upgrade their 990FX chipset for the "Vishera Refresh"

No! They do not! AM3+ is pretty much dead. Unless AMD are going to use updated cores (Steamroller FX) rather than refreshes there is no point.

There has been no word from AMD or anyone else that anything NEW will ever come for AM3+.

Rumor has it something new for the Kabini/AM1 platform is coming, so I look forward to seeing how that goes.

 

[Tripp]

No! They do not! AM3+ is pretty much dead. Unless AMD are going to use updated cores (Steamroller FX) rather than refreshes there is no point.

There has been no word from AMD or anyone else that anything NEW will ever come for AM3+.

Rumor has it something new for the Kabini/AM1 platform is coming, so I look forward to seeing how that goes.

i would go one further than that and say, unless they skip steamroller and bring out an 8 core excavator, then theirs no point in doing a AM3 mobo refresh. thats coming from someone with a FX8350 too

 

[WYP]

i would go one further than that and say, unless they skip steamroller and bring out an 8 core excavator, then theirs no point in doing a AM3 mobo refresh. thats coming from someone with a FX8350 too

Yeah, but it isn't going to happen. AMD are focused on the APUs/ FM2+ socket.

Once AMD get a node shrink in, 20nm or whatever they end up using, we could be looking at Hex cores again. A 20nm hex core excavator could be very interesting, but that depends on Carizzo's improvements over Kaveri, heat and power consumption.

I really want AMD to be more competitive anywhere outside the low end cpu wise.

 

[Tripp]

Yeah, but it isn't going to happen. AMD are focused on the APUs/ FM2+ socket.

Once AMD get a node shrink in, 20nm or whatever they end up using, we could be looking at Hex cores again. A 20nm hex core excavator could be very interesting, but that depends on Carizzo's improvements over Kaveri, heat and power consumption.

I really want AMD to be more competitive anywhere outside the low end cpu wise.

personally i hope AMD go back to using SMT hexacores, maybe we would see some competition in the market (its a long shot i know but heyho)

 

[WYP]

personally i hope AMD go back to using SMT hexacores, maybe we would see some competition in the market (its a long shot i know but heyho)

TBH AMD are being really secretive about their future CPU designs after Excavator. I think/hope that they have a new core design which allows them to better compete.

With Carizzo/excavator coming within the next year, likely Q1/2 2015, we should learn more about the future. AMD need to tell investors something.

 

[Agost]

They are actually going to leave the current CMT architecture after Excavator

Looks like someone at AMD realized that bulldozer-derived CMT was bad.

Look at Jaguar architecture ( kabini etc ): the athlon 5350 is almost as efficient as low power bay trail chips ( good intel 22nm vs not so good GloFo 28nm )

It's a pity that AM1 supports only single channel, this bottlenecks a lot the iGPU.

If AM1 had had dual channel ram, an overclockable APU would have been a really sweet option for low demanding, casual gaming and home use pc. Still very good for the latter, and has really low price and power consumption

 

[WYP]

They are actually going to leave the current CMT architecture after Excavator

Looks like someone at AMD realized that bulldozer-derived CMT was bad.

Look at Jaguar architecture ( kabini etc ): the athlon 5350 is almost as efficient as low power bay trail chips ( good intel 22nm vs not so good GloFo 28nm )

It's a pity that AM1 supports only single channel, this bottlenecks a lot the iGPU.

If AM1 had had dual channel ram, an overclockable APU would have been a really sweet option for low demanding, casual gaming and home use pc. Still very good for the latter, and has really low price and power consumption

Yeah, but the point of AM1 is that it is low power and cheap! A dedicated overclocking chip would require a motherboard with better components, making the budget platform no longer budget. Same reason as why there are no £100 + FM2+ mobos

 

[Agost]

Yeah, but the point of AM1 is that it is low power and cheap! A dedicated overclocking chip would require a motherboard with better components, making the budget platform no longer budget. Same reason as why there are no £100 + FM2+ mobos

I know, but a dual channel memory controller could have improved a lot performance imho

 

[RizeAllard]

I know, but a dual channel memory controller could have improved a lot performance imho

If they used a dual channel memory controller it would be cost more in APU and Mobo side as well... And it would consume bit more power too..

 

[Agost]

If they used a dual channel memory controller it would be cost more in APU and Mobo side as well... And it would consume bit more power too..

AM1 mobos already have 2 ram slots, and the majority of the added power would come from the ram stick itself, not from the controller

If not dual channel, at least a higher ram frequency capability... since they are not overclockable I don't know if it is possible to set higher than 1600 MHz ram ( 2133 MHz ram can be found at almost the same price as 1600 MHz )

 

[RizeAllard]

Yes they have two slots, but the wireing is different when you use 1 or 2 chanells. The frequency thing is again the question of price positioning. Using an existing "old" controller is much cheaper than creating a new one. There comes the R&D cost which has to be refound by the product it self. So financialy its not possible to make a cheap APU or CPU with all the goods... If you want to have these things you would search for hardware in higher price point. Thats all....

 

[Agost]

Yes they have two slots, but the wireing is different when you use 1 or 2 chanells. The frequency thing is again the question of price positioning. Using an existing "old" controller is much cheaper than creating a new one. There comes the R&D cost which has to be refound by the product it self. So financialy its not possible to make a cheap APU or CPU with all the goods... If you want to have these things you would search for hardware in higher price point. Thats all....

Those APUs didn't use anything like "existing old controller" the jaguar architecture is quite new

Moreover higher memory frequencies were supported by AMD since richland