2700k or 3770k for Futerproofing

[murdergames]

My build is almost complete however i have reached a topic that appears to be a matter of opinion and I need help. Many people say the 3770k is bad for overclocking as it reach's a point where the temperatures are ridiculous(i do not plan to watercool) however it has support for pci 3.0 which could be useful in the future. Are there any that make this decision easier as i dont know which cpu to choose?I don't have the money to update my build regularly so which would be a better use of my money?

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CPU: Intel Core i7-2700K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£203.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 90.3 CFM CPU Cooler (£48.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£101.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£38.16 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Sandisk 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£60.96 @ Dabs)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£305.60 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (White) ATX Full Tower Case (£134.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE 90 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£113.70 @ Scan.co.uk)
Other: postage (£20.00)
Total: £1026.88
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[andrevautour]

I would say if you're doing something on a regular basis that requires the absolute highest overclock possible, like rendering, then you may want to get the sandy bridge chip.

If you are just using the system for general purpose gaming, etc then the Ivy chip is more modern and future proof just because of the better memory controller and things like that. The 3770K performs extremely well even with a light or no overclock at all.

If you want something you can keep for a long time that will be more capable with other things in the future then I'd say get the 3770K

 

[ArthurDnB]

I would go ivy or sandybride-e

 

[MacLeod]

Ivy. Faster clock for clock and you can't consider overclocking because you might get a dud Sandy that won't overclock passed 4.2 but might land a great Ivy that'll do 4.6. So compared "out of the box" the 3770K is the best chip.

 

[rossi94]

I would prefer the Sandy Bridge personally, because I hate the fact, that Ivy Bridge is using thermal compound between the die and the CPU top, what gives you higher temps, while overclocking. But if you want to be futureproofed wait for Haswell, Intels Tic-Toc market strategy should bring out new chipsets and sockets then. Otherwise if you really require a new PC now take the 3770K to have the PCIe 3.0 support includet. In these theys you won't require the performance over PCIe 2.0, but if 4k resulutions will come up you'll mayby need the speed.

I think it will burst all the hardware out there, if it's incoming and so you would require a new chipset anyway, if you want to use it.

 

[murdergames]

Ivy. Faster clock for clock and you can't consider overclocking because you might get a dud Sandy that won't overclock passed 4.2 but might land a great Ivy that'll do 4.6. So compared "out of the box" the 3770K is the best chip.

When you say faster clock for clock would i be able to overclock the 2700k enough so that the higher clock for clock of ivy bridge wouldn't matter (using a havik 140)

 

[MacLeod]

That depends on the silicone lottery. Like I said, you could get a Sandy that is a beast and hits near 5 GHz or you might get a dud that can barely pull 4.2. Same with Ivy. That's why I think its best to NOT compare them by what they MIGHT do when overclocked because you can't count on how well they'll overclock. Ivy is 5%+ faster than Sandy clock for clock and uses a little less juice so that's what I base my recommendation on.

 

[murdergames]

Thanks just wanted to clear that up unless anyone has any clear evidence that sandybridge is better then i'm leaning towards Ivybridge.

 

[murdergames]

Haswell is too far away and also if you read up on it intel are leaning focusing more on the mobile market (laptops and netbooks) for Haswell so there will definetly be a performance boost and it will be good but i doubt it will be crazy good.

 

[Ragman]

After doing a butt load of research and taking Intel's release trends into account...if you need to build now go socket 2011, anything can be done on it and it's the most future proof of all imo...is there really such a thing though? Also,when and if there is an Ivy Bridge-E, you can chuck in a new CPU if you feel the need in the future.

 

[MacLeod]

Haswell is too far away and also if you read up on it intel are leaning focusing more on the mobile market (laptops and netbooks) for Haswell so there will definetly be a performance boost and it will be good but i doubt it will be crazy good.

Its not that far off my brother. Late March or early April is the rumored launch date. Thatll be here before you know it.

 

[theDTP]

Running a high clock then go Sandy.
Running stock or light clock go with Ivy.

I got lucky with my Sandy as I can bench at 5.2. Even if you got unlucky and could only clock your Sandy to 4.2 I'd still say it was worth it. Good luck with what ever you chose.

 

[RossM236]

That depends on the silicone lottery. Like I said, you could get a Sandy that is a beast and hits near 5 GHz or you might get a dud that can barely pull 4.2. Same with Ivy. That's why I think its best to NOT compare them by what they MIGHT do when overclocked because you can't count on how well they'll overclock. Ivy is 5%+ faster than Sandy clock for clock and uses a little less juice so that's what I base my recommendation on.

Definetly listen to this guy, my i7 is unfortunately a dud chip, it can only pull 4.2 stable, 4.3 crashed under heavy stress. That was even pushing voltages to try and get 4.5 - just wouldn't happen there.
But defo, for future proof just grab an Ivy - or hold off til around March/June time for Haswell - if it doesn't have a shaky launch like Sandy did then it should be much better. And it is a whole new architecture not just a die shrink.

 

[Christoi]

After doing a butt load of research and taking Intel's release trends into account...if you need to build now go socket 2011, anything can be done on it and it's the most future proof of all imo...is there really such a thing though? Also,when and if there is an Ivy Bridge-E, you can chuck in a new CPU if you feel the need in the future.

It's too questionable whether it'll actually be need though, LGA2011 boards cost far more than LGA1155 - granted it does come with more features, but there's usually not much need for more DIMMs or extra PCI-e slots. For most users it's usually wiser to stick with Z77 from a value point of view.

With computers, futureproofing is something that really can't be done because of how obsolete hardware can become. Even if you have a ton of expansion slots sitting around for the future, Intel would probably release a new socket after a year or two, so before you could make any use of the extra slots, the upgrading the CPU no longer becomes an option.

Granted upgrading to Ivy Bridge-E may become an option, but who in the right mind upgrades their CPU after a couple months of use?

 

[inovaex]

Or better yet, wait til Haswell and then make a decision but if you want something atm, 2011 would be your best bet for future proofing. other platforms seem to have restrictions here and there of some sort which isn't exactly future proofing since you may want to do something which the non 2011 platforms do not allow, for example the memory, its limited.

 

[kirebrat]

go with z77 u get Native sata 6gb controler, Pci-e 3.0 , better memory controllers with ivy , virtue MVP , and they can sell better when u chose to , other then sandy platform or p67/z68 boards.

 

[Ragman]

It's too questionable whether it'll actually be need though, LGA2011 boards cost far more than LGA1155 - granted it does come with more features, but there's usually not much need for more DIMMs or extra PCI-e slots. For most users it's usually wiser to stick with Z77 from a value point of view.

With computers, futureproofing is something that really can't be done because of how obsolete hardware can become. Even if you have a ton of expansion slots sitting around for the future, Intel would probably release a new socket after a year or two, so before you could make any use of the extra slots, the upgrading the CPU no longer becomes an option.

Granted upgrading to Ivy Bridge-E may become an option, but who in the right mind upgrades their CPU after a couple months of use?

If the OP is looking for is looking for a "now" solution then the 2011 is the option atm that has the most potential for longevity. The "Z" series has reached all that we will see from it, and with the trend of the silicon based CPUs pointing toward lower oc as it reaches it's limitations, Haswell doesn't look to be that promising for the oc enthusiast crowd judging by current release trends. With all hardware purchased, to step up later only requires a CPU purchase while the replaced one may be sold to recoup some of the upgrade cost.

...Ivy 2011 may be the redeemer of the name...it does have 1155 to learn from after all.

 

[staffy007]

I agree with ragman,2011 is about the closest you will get to "future proofing".quad core now and hexacore later down the track but with intel changing their sockets about every 18 months or so that's about as close as you will get.It all boils down to how long you are going to keep the computer

 

[Timeless]

I find 'future proofing' a silly idea. You could go 2011 and upgrade to one of the high end processors later on but don't expect them to get cheap.
A 990X on 1366 still costs a shitload of money, you can buy a complete Z77 system for that.

If your smart and think about price/performance Z77 is the way to go unless you really need the extra features of 2011 right now.
Then upgrade again in 1-2 years and that way you'll always be up to date with the new features of the moment.

The high end stuff is cool if you really need it or money is no problem but if you're on a budget just forget about it.

 

[Ragman]

Haswell's 1150 flagship CPU will be the 4770K, which will have pretty much the same speeds as IB 3770K. The main claim to fame for Haswell at this point is faster on board graphics, let's face it, many people have no use for CPU integrated video and opt for mid to high end GPUs.

Socket 2011 and Ivy-E will offer a nice upgrade for those with existing hardware and stay relevant for quite some time. Haswell, along with a new mobo, will offer great CPU graphics over Ivy Bridge...which many of us here have no use for.

These are some of the reasons I build 2011 now, I may not even touch Haswell if it's all about the best on board graphics in the game...I could care less.