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Old 16-09-17, 03:03 AM
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Talking 4.1Ghz and Beyond w/Threadripper

Dear TinyTom, I know this is a community forum but I'm told you read just about everything. I've been watching your videos for a long long time and I'm something of a YTber my self, however my following and credentials pail in comparison so please excuse my "noobness"

So on to it, I want to know if I'm just being an arse when I proclaim Threadripper to be easily overclockable or if I've won the PowerBall in the Silicon Lottery. I watch all your Threadripper content and I've even come on this forum and commented on youtube that you were using the wrong cooling methods and blah blah blah. I want to formally throw my chip in to the ring and see what ya think. (I'm posting pics linked from my google drive, I hope they actually show up.)

System Specs:

Threadripper 1950x - Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 7 - 48 GB of Ballistix Elite 3200 Mhz - MyDigitalSSD BPX NVMe - Some other HD's that don't matter all running in this:



The Thermaltake View31 With the 3 ring fans on top exhausting, a corsair SP120 exhausting in the back,
3 Corsair SP120 pushing through the Enermax TR4 Liqtech 360 in push pull with it's own fans.

Also an FSP 1200 Watt Platinum PSU.

Ohhh and last but not least... Vega 64



So let's get on to the benchmarks and OC.

I know I have the Enermax 360 which realllllly helps with these numbers, but I can vouch that I was able to sustain roughly these overclocks and Prime95 for 45 mins on only the Noctua NH14 prior with the same case fan config, things were a little more dicey and I never planned on using the Noctua full time for full OC.

This is also with the stock fan curve and Cool and Quiet Turned Off. I have weird issues with fans not doing what I manually set them to do with this board, but if I leave it stock, it does the best job.

So. Let's start with 4.0Ghz just like the AsRock Taichi you just reviewed. So 40 Multiplier 1.356 Volts, 1.18 SOC and medium LLC I leave everything else on Auto.



We see here I ran Prime95 for 45 minutes, I know that's not the obligatory 72 hour stint you are supposed to run but I will also vouch that I have run Prime with these settings for 2 hours straight at 4.1 Ghz and the temps were pretty much the same with a passing grade. LLC pushes the volts up there but maxing out at 1.464 seems acceptable for short stints.

Moving on to 4.1Ghz, 1.4056 Volts, 1.206 SOC and Medium LLC.



Again, I only ran prime for 20 minutes this time but vouch that I have run it long time, Vcore gets MUCH higher all on it's own here, 1.512, a little troubling...



20 minutes of Aida, no thermal throttling, stable temps.

...So let's talk about temps.

My temps do not get much higher with the extra 100mhz OC. The LLC is obviously doing insane volts which does trouble me but Both Prime and Aida do not crash nor does it really get to the point of thermal throttling.

The Bad... I see package temps pealing well in the to high 80's even 90's in the 2 hour run. It will level out at 70 to 75 at times and Aida is more like 76 or 77 after the AIO has really warmed up. The volts are way up there but changing LLC from Auto to Med seems to stop them at 1.5 volts, I've seem Auto spike higher! I also see that TmpIN2 and TmpIN4 in HWmonitor get really hot, espiecially 4. 105C. I think that's the VRM, but I have a really hard time finding what it actually is. I might try other software or even gigabytes software, I just hate using motherboard software, it's always so buggy.




We see here a thermal camera shot of the VRM during that 45 minute run of Prime95, the Heatsyncs are at 72c, I'm sure the sensor is much hotter.

So what's the good? I might even be able to get higher overclocks with any effort in to my cooling setup. I've been running at about 22-25c ambient and winter time is coming and I live in Canada. I am also planning a custom loop with Alphacool, although I'm thinking it might not get much better than this.

In Conclusion

Let's be real here, I know there will be many a people below this post telling me I'm terrible. That it's not stable, that my temps are too high, that I'm lying, that my stability tests cannot actually be real, or I should be running Prime for 12 years or whatever. To be clear, I use this computer and it is LOUD when I leave it at 4.1 Ghz, it generally is a lot more usable and probably draws a hell of a lot less power when I leave it at 4.0Ghz.

I'm going to leave my self open to criticism because I'm genuinely interested in what other people are getting. Is there something I'm totally missing? I'm pretty sure the Gigabyte isn't even the best motherboard, although it certainly is holding it's own. Am I just really lucky with this chip?

Tom I hope you will give me some words, maybe this will give you hope that there is a chip out there that you don't have to splat fans all over. Also get your self the Enermax Liqtech, they will no double just send you one. It rules at cooling this thing, I was using an Arctic 240mm Asetek and it was terrible next to even the Noctua.

Also I have a youtube channel with LOTS of this content, you can find it if you want, I won't advertise with a direct link.

I will leave you with this:


With Vega 64 I seem to have the 6th fastest computer on the Asus Realbench leaderboard. If only I had an Asus board I could post

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Old 16-09-17, 10:35 AM
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Hey dude, I know the CPU's are there. My initial sample was much better than the ones I have now. Sadly the 3.8 CPU's are what I would say are the normal ones.

Youve definitely won the silicone lottery with yours. Ive got two 1950X's that came from different sides of the planet and they both stop at 3.8 stable. I can screenshot high easy peasey I just cant put them under extended load
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Old 16-09-17, 05:29 PM
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Well this is good to know. With great IPC comes great responsibility. I will try to treat it well.

My Ryzen 7 1700 is clearly a low binned chip, it has a hard time with the best cooling solutions and motherboard hitting 4 Ghz. I literally put it in a deep freezer and chilled it for 3 hours at near 0c to get it to OC to 4.075 Ghz once so winning the Silicon Lottery for once is nice.

Good luck with the future testing, I hope my data can be useful. I can't wait to see Intel's effort, can the 7980x blow the doors off Threadripper? I think it's going to be close.
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Old 25-02-18, 03:24 PM
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I guess BIOS is getting better and maybe CPUs as well as the platform matures

Most people with halfway decent cooling are getting 4.0GHz at least...much higher than that though doesn't really exist. 4.1 4.2 are doable but 4.3 is hens teeth.

RAM is getting better too maybe

Mine is not the full fat chip but does 4.1GHz at 1.325v...



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Old 25-02-18, 07:39 PM
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Well this is good to know. With great IPC comes great responsibility. I will try to treat it well.

My Ryzen 7 1700 is clearly a low binned chip, it has a hard time with the best cooling solutions and motherboard hitting 4 Ghz. I literally put it in a deep freezer and chilled it for 3 hours at near 0c to get it to OC to 4.075 Ghz once so winning the Silicon Lottery for once is nice.

Good luck with the future testing, I hope my data can be useful. I can't wait to see Intel's effort, can the 7980x blow the doors off Threadripper? I think it's going to be close.
Yes

Mine can do 4.9ghz at a push on watercooling, having said that only about 5% or 10% can get that high but most will get to 4.5ghz or better.

On another point you should not really be buying Threadripper CPUs for their overclocking ability, what they are about is giving a lot of CPU cores/grunt @stock and good value for money. I know an AMD rep who owns an 1950X and is very good at overclocking and benching stuff and all he can get out of his CPU is just below 4.1ghz.

Another point to remember for both Threadripper and 7980XE CPUs is when you start pushing the overclocks the power usage goes through the roof. The point is for the tiny gains you get on Threadripper going from running at below 4.0ghz to overclocking it above that will cost you a lot in electricity and cause hassle with the extra heat produced.
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Yeah that wouldn't even be remotely close. TR @ 4.1ghz 16/32 or 18/36 going nearly a ghz faster on all of those cores and threads.

Mind you, the Intel costs twice as much and would not be anywhere close to twice as fast.
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Yeah that wouldn't even be remotely close. TR @ 4.1ghz 16/32 or 18/36 going nearly a ghz faster on all of those cores and threads.

Mind you, the Intel costs twice as much and would not be anywhere close to twice as fast.
7980XE using its muscle on the Timespy Extreme bench, compare the physics score for the TitanV runs on both a 6950X and 7980XE.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31207163/
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Old 26-02-18, 07:11 AM
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Timespy on an old Titan X and 1920X

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/3284145
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Timespy on an old Titan X and 1920X

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/3284145
That is the ordinary Timespy.

The link I posted was for Timespy Extreme which is a lot more demanding on the CPU.
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Yes, was quite clear....i just don't have an extreme run yet
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