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Old 30-07-20, 04:35 PM
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It all comes down to the price.
Big navi top end, 2080ti performance, 2070 pricing fine. 2080ti performance, 2080/ti release prices, then it better do more than render pixels on my screen and heat my room.
On them having the best, honestly who really cares. I can't afford a Ferrari and even if I could, i'd be stupid to drive to work everyday unless I can do top speed on every road between me and work.
4k monitors are still expensive, WQHD are still a bit above the majority of gamers budgets and 1080p is still the lions share of gaming
I want AMD to do better but mostly for the reason to bring Nvidia back into line with pricing. I mean its a months salary for a huge part of the UK to buy a 2080ti and its ludicrous.

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Old 30-07-20, 05:12 PM
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It all comes down to the price.
Big navi top end, 2080ti performance, 2070 pricing fine. 2080ti performance, 2080/ti release prices, then it better do more than render pixels on my screen and heat my room.
On them having the best, honestly who really cares. I can't afford a Ferrari and even if I could, i'd be stupid to drive to work everyday unless I can do top speed on every road between me and work.
4k monitors are still expensive, WQHD are still a bit above the majority of gamers budgets and 1080p is still the lions share of gaming
I want AMD to do better but mostly for the reason to bring Nvidia back into line with pricing. I mean its a months salary for a huge part of the UK to buy a 2080ti and its ludicrous.
This !

If big Navi is around 15% faster than a 2080 Ti, Which is now 2 years old so not really a big wow factor, It needs to come in extraordinarily cheap otherwise it's a no go.
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Old 31-07-20, 09:43 AM
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This !

If big Navi is around 15% faster than a 2080 Ti, Which is now 2 years old so not really a big wow factor, It needs to come in extraordinarily cheap otherwise it's a no go.
2080 Super performance for $399 and I would buy it. Additionally, the top chip, +10% 2080Ti, for $599.
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Old 31-07-20, 12:29 PM
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2080 Super performance for $399 and I would buy it. Additionally, the top chip, +10% 2080Ti, for $599.
Honestly I'd be willing to stretch to $650 if it also stops global warming and brings world peace.
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Old 31-07-20, 04:35 PM
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What does it even mean that it doesn't perform as expected? Expected by whom? What expectations are they comparing this to?
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Old 31-07-20, 07:02 PM
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2080 Super performance for $399 and I would buy it. Additionally, the top chip, +10% 2080Ti, for $599.
So you expect 2080 Ti beating performance for practically half the price?

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone wants that, but I can't realistically see it happening. This seems to be AMD's biggest hurdle; people seem to expect better performance for ridiculously low prices when compared to nVidia.

Comparative performance for an attractively lower price is what I foresee. Right now I wouldn't buy a 2080 Ti when I can have about 70-80% of the performance for 35% of the price with a 5700 XT.

nVidia has proven that $1000+ high-tier products sell, and just like when RAM prices got hiked, we'll never see them come back down to what they were before because sales don't slow down enough at those high prices.

AMD being competitive will help, but I can't imagine getting 2080 Ti grunt for less than $600 for another few generations yet, even from nVidia.
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Old 31-07-20, 07:14 PM
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2080ti at 50% cost?

Never going to happen. They have spent millions on R&D here, they need to claw that back before they push forward with revision 2,3 and 4 etc.
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Old 31-07-20, 07:24 PM
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Expect the 2080ti equivalent to be in the 800 range at the very least, these won't be cheap cards like the golden days of 600 being the top end, people need to move on from that, even though it sucks hard.
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So you expect 2080 Ti beating performance for practically half the price?

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone wants that, but I can't realistically see it happening. This seems to be AMD's biggest hurdle; people seem to expect better performance for ridiculously low prices when compared to nVidia.

Comparative performance for an attractively lower price is what I foresee. Right now I wouldn't buy a 2080 Ti when I can have about 70-80% of the performance for 35% of the price with a 5700 XT.

nVidia has proven that $1000+ high-tier products sell, and just like when RAM prices got hiked, we'll never see them come back down to what they were before because sales don't slow down enough at those high prices.

AMD being competitive will help, but I can't imagine getting 2080 Ti grunt for less than $600 for another few generations yet, even from nVidia.
I agree. While Turing was grossly overpriced and offered largely the same performance per dollar as Pascal, for AMD to beat a 2080Ti in rasterisation while also introducing Ray Tracing, while also putting them in consoles, all for half the price is just too much to ask for. I believe AMD can better a 2080Ti, but I think it'll be $700 at a minimum. Radeon VII was $700, was a much smaller die size, but it only competed with the 2080. AMD will sell their cards at the highest possible price they can. If Nvidia has a 3080 at $800 that is 20% faster than a 2080Ti, AMD only has to have a card that beats the 2080Ti by 15-20% and be $750. It'll have marginally better performance per dollar than Nvidia and that's all AMD needs.
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Old 01-08-20, 04:31 PM
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The more Nvidia charge the more AMD can charge.

Cheap high end GPUs are a thing of the past. It's over. Mostly because Nvidia really haven't found another way to make money hand over fist so they are now doing it solely on GPU sales.
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