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NeverBackDown 03-08-15 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tinytomlogan (Post 859600)
I agree but if it was me Id not make loads of stuff and hand the designs over to anyone else. Thats like doing homework for the thick kids.

I agree with that to an extent, however the way Nvidia goes about it is they actually forbid the game devs to allow anyone who is not affiliated with Nvidia's program to access their software. Which means AMD cannot actually optimize or fix any issues they might have when games are using Nvidia software, which really in the end makes it only playable on one vendor. This is shown because all the past gameworks titles, excluding Witcher 3(thats credit to CDPR though) every Gameworks supported title has issues with AMD GPUs. Now if Gamedevs were allowed to show AMD the source code but not actually hand it over to them, then I wouldn't be defending AMD. But that's not the case. Add in the fact that all AMDs software features are open source and Nvidia has access to, really shows how shady and greedy Nvidia is that they won't even allow AMD to fix bugs that are introduced because of Nvidia's software. Any other place in the industry and they work together to fix things. Not the case with GPUs. Nvidia are truly the equal to Apple when it comes to things like this. It's a shame to be honest.

Tolemac 03-08-15 09:51 PM

I'm still rocking my Vapor X and loving it :) I for one will support AMD because Dice is right we actually need a competitor in the market as an end user who sent his GTX970 back over the vram issue I will not support Nvidia no matter how much better they think they are ^_^

Mysterae 03-08-15 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown (Post 859598)
Fair reasoning ...

I waited for AMD to deliver with the Fury X, put off my purchase for weeks in the hope that this time it would be AMD again (I've had 9800, x1800's, X1900's, 4870 in the past). They quite simply failed on numerous fronts (not as fast as we were led to believe, un-overclockable, stock issues, not a good choice for custom watercooling).

In this world you either do or die; it's not up to the consumer to save a company, they must save themselves first. AMD will not be saved by the righteous few, it's not the Athlon days any more.

Anyway, Dicehunter did say in his post that people may think he was nuts, I was just saying he was correct :).

Dicehunter 03-08-15 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown (Post 859603)
Nvidia are truly the equal to Apple when it comes to things like this. It's a shame to be honest.

I've never really looked at Nvidia in that light before but now that you mention it I do see the similarity.

NeverBackDown 03-08-15 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterae (Post 859612)
I waited for AMD to deliver with the Fury X, put off my purchase for weeks in the hope that this time it would be AMD again (I've had 9800, x1800's, X1900's, 4870 in the past). They quite simply failed on numerous fronts (not as fast as we were led to believe, un-overclockable, stock issues, not a good choice for custom watercooling).

In this world you either do or die; it's not up to the consumer to save a company, they must save themselves first. AMD will not be saved by the righteous few, it's not the Athlon days any more.

Anyway, you did say in your post that people may think you were nuts, I was just saying you were correct :).

Not as fast as the hype made everyone think it would be.. It is overclockable(not even AMD who is responsible for this at launch), is a good choice for watercooling. Just buy the block and remove the AIO. Stock issues were because one part of the supplier chain wasn't producing fast enough. However that has since been fixed and higher mass production has been started.

But again you are proving my point from earlier. People view AMD as a negative, like you just did with their downsides. However what about the good? Hmm? What about the new memory architecture? The vastly improved performance/watt? The ability to keep a hot core cool? The improvements to their color algorithms? And more? I don't see anyone giving them a thumbs up from consumers.. all I see is everyone bashing them because they believed the hype and it wasn't faster than a TX. I for one never thought it would be.

It is not up to the consumer, you're right. However it is in this case when a company who has done everything right and just as great as the other company is being treated like crap and no one cares, that's consumer fault. That's why consumers need to think with their brains for once. I may be on the wrong side here choosing AMD, however at least I tried to keep them afloat for as long as I could support them and tried to keep a monopoly from forming. That's what matters to me the most.

FYI, I'm not trying to provoke you or anything, just reasoning here:)

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Originally Posted by Dicehunter (Post 859615)
I've never really looked at Nvidia in that light before but now that you mention it I do see the similarity.

Yep.. crazy how so many people don't see it in this market. It's slowly happening and it's working unfortunately.

Dicehunter 03-08-15 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown (Post 859618)
Not as fast as the hype made everyone think it would be.. It is overclockable(not even AMD who is responsible for this at launch), is a good choice for watercooling. Just buy the block and remove the AIO. Stock issues were because one part of the supplier chain wasn't producing fast enough. However that has since been fixed and higher mass production has been started.

But again you are proving my point from earlier. People view AMD as a negative, like you just did with their downsides. However what about the good? Hmm? What about the new memory architecture? The vastly improved performance/watt? The ability to keep a hot core cool? The improvements to their color algorithms? And more? I don't see anyone giving them a thumbs up from consumers.. all I see is everyone bashing them because they believed the hype and it wasn't faster than a TX. I for one never thought it would be.

It is not up to the consumer, you're right. However it is in this case when a company who has done everything right and just as great as the other company is being treated like crap and no one cares, that's consumer fault. That's why consumers need to think with their brains for once. I may be on the wrong side here choosing AMD, however at least I tried to keep them afloat for as long as I could support them and tried to keep a monopoly from forming. That's what matters to me the most.

FYI, I'm not trying to provoke you or anything, just reasoning here:)



Yep.. crazy how so many people don't see it in this market. It's slowly happening and it's working unfortunately.

The TX and FX actually surprisingly trade blows in a lot of games it's only really at lower resolutions the FX struggles as it becomes very CPU dependent.

AlienALX 03-08-15 10:35 PM

As much as I love AMD as the little guy company I don't agree about the drivers. I've had some pretty damn gory horror stories with their drivers in the past. I won't go into detail now because it's late but let's just say that they were bad.

On the flipside I have had a couple of issues with Nvidia drivers but never, EVER anything like the issues I've had on AMD.

I do agree about the screw up part though. I don't know what's the worse of two evils, the 970 "Up ya bum lalalalalala" scam or the "Buy two three or four AMD cards for Crossfire but just don't think they will work because they don't and oh, we won't tell you until we are caught".

Right now I am on AMD because Nvidia screwed people over and I wasn't about to reward them for that. However, the 970 issue didn't even affect me but the Crossfire one most certainly did and I wasted 150 on a second 5770 only for it to completely ruin my gaming experience. And I'm still annoyed about that.

I still see AMD as the lesser of the evils though. Even though people invested in two, three and four 5870s or two 5970s at stupid money.

But they're still both pretty evil.

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Originally Posted by Dicehunter (Post 859619)
The TX and FX actually surprisingly trade blows in a lot of games it's only really at lower resolutions the FX struggles as it becomes very CPU dependent.

And let's face it you would be a bit of a Joey to spend 500+ on a card and then run it on 1080p.

Fury X will not keep AMD in business. The 390 and X will.

JR23 03-08-15 10:42 PM

The nVidia Apple parallel is a very good one. They are both extremely good at what they do, but that isn't necessarily making the most competitive solution in their respective industry. The perception they both attain however is magnificent and that is something AMD rarely grasp.

JR

AlienALX 03-08-15 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JR23 (Post 859621)
The nVidia Apple parallel is a very good one. They are both extremely good at what they do, but that isn't necessarily making the most competitive solution in their respective industry. The perception they both attain however is magnificent and that is something AMD rarely grasp.

JR

To be honest I doubt Nvidia made enough money out of Titan and Titan X etc to even cover their lavish lifestyles. The money for any company is in what sells. You know? like what actually sells.

And that will be the 960 and 970. Oh wait, the 970 was mis-advertised...

There's a good reason Nvidia now release all of the lower and mid range stuff first..

Dicehunter 03-08-15 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec (Post 859620)
As much as I love AMD as the little guy company I don't agree about the drivers. I've had some pretty damn gory horror stories with their drivers in the past. I won't go into detail now because it's late but let's just say that they were bad.

On the flipside I have had a couple of issues with Nvidia drivers but never, EVER anything like the issues I've had on AMD.

I do agree about the screw up part though. I don't know what's the worse of two evils, the 970 "Up ya bum lalalalalala" scam or the "Buy two three or four AMD cards for Crossfire but just don't think they will work because they don't and oh, we won't tell you until we are caught".

Right now I am on AMD because Nvidia screwed people over and I wasn't about to reward them for that. However, the 970 issue didn't even affect me but the Crossfire one most certainly did and I wasted 150 on a second 5770 only for it to completely ruin my gaming experience. And I'm still annoyed about that.

I still see AMD as the lesser of the evils though. Even though people invested in two, three and four 5870s or two 5970s at stupid money.

But they're still both pretty evil.



And let's face it you would be a bit of a Joey to spend 500+ on a card and then run it on 1080p.

Fury X will not keep AMD in business. The 390 and X will.

The only problems I've ever had with AMD's drivers and this is going right back to the X1900XT are when I had the 295X2, It just wasn't used well in a lot of games and I kept getting some really terrible thermal throttling even at stock clocks.

The next one is that they don't have Adaptive V-Sync.

Not to be confused with Adaptive Sync technology like Freesync or G-Sync.


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