Windows 10 has lost market share for the second month running

[Doomslayer]

lol Windows 10 is not an OS it's a service now

 

[NeverBackDown]

lol Windows 10 is not an OS it's a service now

All products are technically services.
In addition, you are taking what MS said the wrong way. Instead of being an OS that lasts 3 years, it is now an ongoing OS that keeps getting updated. Exactly like a service like steam would do.

 

[wozza365]

Your compliant works against every Windows OS. You do realize earlier OSs come with games to right? You're just being overly picky because it's common thing to dis W10. Yes the Xbox app counts to this as well.

If you keep updating your store apps, then obviously you didn't uninstall it now did you? Otherwise it wouldn't work. I know. I've done it successfully.

I don't understand why people hate it so much. It's not difficult to optimize it to how you want it. I've never had issue's nor anyone else I know. All that extra software you get is the exact same as bloatware you get when you buy a laptop from an OEM.

I never said that Windows 10 was the only one guilty of this, even many distros of Linux I've played around with have come with programs installed that shouldn't be there. But no one can deny that Windows 10 is by far the worst for it (except maybe Mac OS, I've never really used it)

 

[BigDaddyKong]

One thing I have to ask. How much did you pay for your win10? Mine was free. I have not had this auto install problem, but if I did and I could change it, I would not be upset because of what I paid for it.

 

[Warchild]

Wonder if Win 10 will lose even more share now that there are some reviews and facts claiming Ryzen is not optimised in win10 and performs over 10fps more in win7.

 

[Dark NighT]

Wonder if Win 10 will lose even more share now that there are some reviews and facts claiming Ryzen is not optimised in win10 and performs over 10fps more in win7.

Wow 10 fps.. so worth downgrading for where bios revisions, platform maturity and windows updates will fix this.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Wonder if Win 10 will lose even more share now that there are some reviews and facts claiming Ryzen is not optimised in win10 and performs over 10fps more in win7.

Yet Ryzen isn't supported on W7. So I'm calling BS.

 

[wozza365]

Wonder if Win 10 will lose even more share now that there are some reviews and facts claiming Ryzen is not optimised in win10 and performs over 10fps more in win7.

Do you have a source for this, haven't even seen proof of it running on Windows 7, nevermind it running better than W10.

 

[Bartacus]

Pfftt, I wouldn't believe that crap anyway. I noticed quite a leap in performance from W7 > W10, and that was an over-the-top upgrade, not even a fresh install. I sure as hell don't want to go backwards, MS Spyware be damned. Those "forced install" things haven't affected me so far (knock on wooden head!).

 

[NeverBackDown]

Pfftt, I wouldn't believe that crap anyway. I noticed quite a leap in performance from W7 > W10, and that was an over-the-top upgrade, not even a fresh install. I sure as hell don't want to go backwards, MS Spyware be damned. Those "forced install" things haven't affected me so far (knock on wooden head!).

Same here

 

[Warchild]

Do you have a source for this, haven't even seen proof of it running on Windows 7, nevermind it running better than W10.

I'll try and find it. I don't use windows 7 so I only repeated what was mentioned.

Quick google search and I found this

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-8#post-38775732

Quite an indepth look into the CPU with info on page 8 what i was talking about. This isnt the same source i read it, but sums up same details.

I did some 3D testing and eventhou there is not nearly enough data to confirm it, I'd say the SMT regression is infact a Windows 10 related issue.
In 3D testing I did recently on Windows 10, the title which illustrated the biggest SMT regression was Total War: Warhammer.

All of these were recorded at 3.5GHz, 2133MHz MEMCLK with R9 Nano:

Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)

The link I provided does state its speculation but it does provide same feedback as other source ill link if I can find it again. But before you all go jumping down my throat shouting BS, lies, etc etc. I am only relaying what I have seen elsewhere. Truth or not, it seems interesting and if true I wonder how ryzen will look for gaming if all the kinks are straightened out.

 

[Bartacus]

Warchild: any idea if they were comparing fresh installs or not? I've heard people say "I went back to W7 and it's faster", but I'm betting that's more due to a fresh install of Windows, which is always snappy.

 

[Warchild]

Warchild: any idea if they were comparing fresh installs or not? I've heard people say "I went back to W7 and it's faster", but I'm betting that's more due to a fresh install of Windows, which is always snappy.

That I do not know. All I came across were benchmarks of one vs the other so I am assuming that they benched on win10 and reverted back to win7 to bench. Either that or they have the opportunity to have both preinstalled via dual boot partitions?

 

[Greenback]

Talking of Windows 10, my SSD died so have had to do a clean install and then unistall all the crap including candy crush, I'll see if it tries to reinstall it

 

[tolagarf]

Talking of Windows 10, my SSD died so have had to do a clean install and then unistall all the crap including candy crush, I'll see if it tries to reinstall it

If you delete Candy Crush 10 times in a row the universe will implode! Don't do it!!

 

[Warchild]

I guess it wasn't total BS at all.

Seems Microsoft have somewhat admitted there is an issue with their OS but not outright said "yes" theres a fault. Instead they rather made a diplomatic tweet to state they are looking into new issues that come with new CPU. In this case, there does seem to be something wrong with the SMT

Source

 

[AlienALX]

I guess it wasn't total BS at all.

Seems Microsoft have somewhat admitted there is an issue with their OS but not outright said "yes" theres a fault. Instead they rather made a diplomatic tweet to state they are looking into new issues that come with new CPU. In this case, there does seem to be something wrong with the SMT

Source

It's exactly that dude.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-performance-negatively-affected-windows-10-scheduler-bug/

Windows 10′ scheduler correctly identifies Intel’s hyper-threads as lesser performing than principal core threads and schedules tasks in a way that’s takes advantage of the additional throughput without negatively impacting performance. Unfortunately the scheduler currently is not able to differentiate principal core threads from virtual SMT threads with Ryzen and in fact sees 16 thread Ryzen 7 processors as processors with 16 physical cores with equal resources per thread.

Because it does not give any preferential prioritization of scheduling tasks to primary threads over SMT threads like it does on Intel platforms, a massively larger percentage of tasks can and do end up getting scheduled for a virtual SMT thread rather than a principal core thread. Resulting in significant artificial performance degradation.