Will GTX 680 get drivers that supports 3.0 in the future?

Olaipai

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Okay, I just put a setup for order and now I stumbled over a post that says that GTX 680 on the X79 platform only supports 2.0 on the launch drivers. so here is my question.

Will the GTX 680 support 3.0 later on the X79 platform? Or won't 3.0 be implemented on the X79 for the GTX 680?!?
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I am so confused right now. Or is it all bull****
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- Pai
 
X79 platform will not support Pci-e 3.0 :/ Ivybridge E will but I doubt it'll be on X79 maybe something like X80 only because it's in the future and pci-e 3.0 will become a standard, you should really know this bro
 
If you already have a x79 platform it's like worring about if it will become obsolete or not?? ofcorse it will!!!!

no graphics cards are using all the bandwith of 16x 2.0 right now

PCI-e 3.0 is for people running dual cards on systems that are not even out yet at 8x

16 lanes running at 2.0 speed = 8 lanes running at 3.0 speed

if your waiting for z77/Ivy Bridge and only running 1 card maybe you should wait till the 7990 or 690 dual GPU 3.0 cards come out.

at this piont in time it's like being worried if PCI-e 4.0 will replace 3.0, or USB 3.0 will be replaced with USB 4.0 or thunderbolt, ofcourse it will

but with only 2 of the three items needed to make it all work why worry about it???

by the time Ivy bridge -E comes out your gonna want a 780 or 880 anyway and thats asumming it's gonna work on x79 platform, I predict it will be called z88...

it is all BS for 99.8% of us at this moment, but it does matter in the next generations of CPU,GPU and boards to come out, and fun for us techies to argue about with each other over.
 
If you already have a x79 platform it's like worring about if it will become obsolete or not?? ofcorse it will!!!!

no graphics cards are using all the bandwith of 16x 2.0 right now

PCI-e 3.0 is for people running dual cards on systems that are not even out yet at 8x

16 lanes running at 2.0 speed = 8 lanes running at 3.0 speed

if your waiting for z77/Ivy Bridge and only running 1 card maybe you should wait till the 7990 or 690 dual GPU 3.0 cards come out.

at this piont in time it's like being worried if PCI-e 4.0 will replace 3.0, or USB 3.0 will be replaced with USB 4.0 or thunderbolt, ofcourse it will

but with only 2 of the three items needed to make it all work why worry about it???

by the time Ivy bridge -E comes out your gonna want a 780 or 880 anyway and thats asumming it's gonna work on x79 platform, I predict it will be called z88...

it is all BS for 99.8% of us at this moment, but it does matter in the next generations of CPU,GPU and boards to come out, and fun for us techies to argue about with each other over.

So I should go for a X79 platform with a GTX 680? Sorry, I am a bit slow atm.
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Yes, I see what you mean. Start to worry about future technolgy that hasn't been really implemented yet. Thanks for the answer! +1
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a pcie3 card won't max out a pcie2 x16 lane.

pcie3 card needs more than 4gb/s but not as much as 8gb/s

z68/1155 SB will handle a 680 fine, it only matters if you want to sli them.
 
Can I ask you a question?

I have a ASUS sabertooth P67 and a single GTX 680 and my MB only has PCI-E 2.0 so would it make any difference to have GTX 680 in SLI or would that be a waste of money?
 
Can I ask you a question?

I have a ASUS sabertooth P67 and a single GTX 680 and my MB only has PCI-E 2.0 so would it make any difference to have GTX 680 in SLI or would that be a waste of money?

Wouldn't make any difference. The GTX 680 won't even max out a PCIe 1.1 x16 slot let alone a 2.0 one.

The thing people need to realise is that these graphics cards have on-board memory for a reason. That is where they store the majority of the high bandwidth assets the game will be using. All it needs from the CPU is instructions on how to set the scene up and how it should be rendered. Thus the PCIe bandwidth use is quite low.
 
It means if your board had PCIe 2.0 or PCIe 3.0 it doesn't matter as the cards would run the same and deliver the same performance.

The PCIe speed doesn't really make a difference even with these cards. Aslong as you have a PCIe 2.0 8x or faster bus.
 
So I should go for a X79 platform with a GTX 680? Sorry, I am a bit slow atm.
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Yes, I see what you mean. Start to worry about future technolgy that hasn't been really implemented yet. Thanks for the answer! +1
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I would say you don't need x79 for 1 680, but I say if you can afford it already and you are gonna do other stuff with your computer than just game and serch the internet, the x79 is the most flexable platform out, it can do anything you ask of it now, and will continue too longer into the future.

z68/z77 boards will do great with 1-680, with 2-they will also do fine, you could argue that each card is giving you 100% of what it could, because hey are bacically sharing resorces, 8x each. This would only be a few % at most and that is what PCI-e 3.0 is trying to fix for the lower end platforms. 8 3.0 lanes running faster can = 16 2.0 lanes running slower.

The problem is games don't really need the speed of 2.0 yet, and the grapfhic cards/ chipsets can't really tranfer data at 3.0 speeds yet, but they are working on it. With the absents of high speed transfer to get more data thru on less lanes I feel its better for now to have more slower lanes. This is what the x79 platform has, the abillity to run 2 cards at full 2.0 16x(lanes).

With one card your covered with both platforms, with the z77 having the slight advantage if you wait for the IB CPU to be released, but without thoose they serve up the same data to your GPU at the same speed. The differance comes in the future when you add another 680 for SLI.

the x79 still has another 16x 2.0 slot so possable data tranfer doubles with the need for it to be doubled with the addition of the second card.

z77/z68 with a Sandy Bridge CPU deals with it by having to cut the avalible data in half, where each card gets 8x at 2.0 spped. Is sounds bad, and like something you really don't want to buy into when buying a new machine but the reality is it dosn't really cause a problem.

the same platform with an IVY Bridge CPU can run twice as fast in getting the data out, which is useless with 16x(lanes) because no graphics cards are useing 2.0 speeds yet. but when you add in the second card, it requires the data transfer(bandwith) to be cut in half, OK no problem, It was already twice as high as it needed to be in the first place.

so really as it stands to day, we are all planing out our future rigs to not be bottleneceked in a place where there never really was a bottleneck ever in the past, as PCI-e specs have stayed ahead of the curve and develpoed before the hardware needed it. If the don't develope PCI-e 3.0 standards before we need it , how can hardware be made to use it??? If the hardware needed PCI-e 4.0 speeds already, why would they be wasting time with silly 3.0 speeds???

My current system shouldn't even be playing current modern games, all of them recomend a quad core processer and a minimim of a low end PCI-e 2.0 graphics card. Well I got a dual core processer(several generations old), a mid range(current generation) 2.0 grapfics card, but running it on a PCI-e 1.0 16x Motherboard, and it runs all of them good enough.

Do I think there is a bottle neck there? YES I do!!! Is it the CPU?? NOPE!! none of the games max out both the cores. Is it the Grapfics card?? Nope!! the same games on different machines with this card get higher frame rates.. So what is it?? I would have to say it is the PCI-e 1.0!! How much it lacking?? I would say 10-20%

What have I learned fron my old machine?? PCI-e 1.0 at 16x is only about 10-20% to slow to feed a mid range 560Ti PCI-e 2.0 card In most current games.
 
There are reviews out there that show pcie3 cards in x8 pcie2 lanes are hitting a wall and taking between 0-15% fps hit as a result depending on the game. This actually matters very little because the fps on 2 pcie3 cards is so huge that the human eye won't notice the drop but from what I have seen the bottleneck does physically exist.

http://www.anandtech...ocking-and-msaa

Here is a summary from the page you linked written by AnandTech themselves.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]At the high end the results are not surprising. In our informal testing ahead of the 7970 launch we didn’t see any differences between PCIe 2 and PCIe 3 worth noting, and our formal testing backs this up. Under gaming there is absolutely no appreciable difference in performance between PCIe 3 x16 (16GB/sec) and PCIe 2 (8GB/sec). Nor was there any difference between PCIe 3 x8 (8GB/sec) and the other aforementioned bandwidth configurations.[/font]

This is basically the same result that HardOCP got when they did the same tests.
 
Yes that's what I meant, you can't tell the difference. That doesn't mean it isn't there in certain games.

It will only matter when the latest generation of cards, in sli/xf, begin getting stressed by the games. That probably won't happen for a year.
 
All about building for the future and how long you think it'll be before you buy a new mobo over a new HD 9970 that "may" saturate PCIE2.0.

I have often thought about it like SATA ports/versions tho. Even tho, in theory, the earlier versions are capable, the newer ones give you that much %age more.

EDIT: Thinking about it, we don't get the number of reviews these days (I don't mean just OC3D, I mean net-wide) where guys just test stuff to see what happens. I know times are hard for everyone, and it could be that it's seen as an extravagance over daily reviewing, but it's sh1t like this that really grabs my interest. How an ssd works in sata 1/2/3, a pcie graphics card works in pcie 1/2/3, with different cpus, different mobos. Just grab kit and test stuff, not just cos it's new.
 
but my card has PCI 3.0 lanes and is a X79 ?

so ime confused is it pci 3.0 or just a faster 2.0

doesen't matter just curious
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but my card has PCI 3.0 lanes and is a X79 ?

so ime confused is it pci 3.0 or just a faster 2.0

doesen't matter just curious
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Your curious and tbh I'm confused. When I looked into getting an x79 as soon as they came out of production, I was "informed" from the Intel sites, that the x79 chipset would use the 3.0 lane for faster drive access and that 3.0 for card use would come later.

.. which stopped me obtaining one.
 
The X79 platform does have PCIe 3.0 included for all the PCIe lanes on the motherboard. But Intel does not support it. That is to say the X79 chipset is advertised by Intel as having PCIe 2.0 only. But the Motherboard manufacturers have all advertised PCIe 3.0 support and got the busses running at the full 8GT/s speeds not the 5GT/s that PCIe 2.0 uses.

Anandtech has confirmed that PCIe 3.0 on X79 boards does work. They got it to work on an EVGA-X79 board with a HD 7970. The issue is only with the GTX 680 where by NVIDIA has chosen to disable PCIe 3.0 operation on X79 boards.

This is NVIDIA's response on the matter: [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/font]GeForce GTX 680 supports PCI Express 3.0. The Intel X79/SNB-E PCI Express 2.0 platform is only currently supported up to 5GT/s (PCIE 2.0) bus speeds even though some motherboard manufacturers have enabled higher 8GT/s speeds,”

But again, with the HD 7970, HD 7950 and probably the forthcoming HD 7990 PCIe 3.0 works perfectly fine on the X79 boards. Anandtech were able to get up-to a 9% performance improvement on the HD 7970 by operating it at 3.0 Speeds on the EVGA motherboard compared to when operating the same motherboard in PCIe 2.0 mode. This says to me this is all NVIDIA's doing and they are frankly, trying to pass the buck to motherboard manufacturers when it obviously works fine.

In my own Rampage board there is a menu dedicated to PCIe modes and I can toggle my PCIe lanes individually from 3.0 to 2.0 operation.
 
My take on this:

It's not just about pice2 vs 3. It's about lanes too.

Each pcie2 lane is worth 500mb/s

Each pcie3 lane is worth 1gb/s

These are organised into x8 and x16 lanes (others as well but...)

so a pcie2 x8 = 4gb/s and x16 = 8gb/s

pcie3 x8 = 8gb/s and x16 = 16gb/s

A top end pcie3 card will saturate 4gb/s in certain games. So to make sure you aren't bottlenecking the cards you need 8gb/s.

That converts to pcie2 x16 or pcie3 x8.

So a x68 will handle a single pcie3 card but in crossfire you will set the lanes into pcie2 x8 = 4gb/s.

z77 has pcie3 x16 which is enough for 2 x8 lanes at 8gb/s which is perfect for 2 cards.

x79 has 40 lanes of pcie3 (2011 supports pcie3 on the cpus) which enough for like 5 pcie3 gpus, in theory.

Having said that, if you are going to get 2 pcie3 cards but have a z68 platform it is not worth upgrading to z77 because even in the worst cases I've seen you will only take a maximum 15% fps hit. That might sound a lot but at the fps 2 680s or 79x0s push out this will make no difference to the user experience!
 
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