Will 7800ultra be 110nm??

maverik-sg1

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Looking around (again) I found this:

Nvidia has just announced its G70, Geforce 7800GTX card still based on 110 nm design while ATI is taking a risk by moving to a 90 nanometre process. ATI is about to get into production with its 90nm R520, following by the RV530 and RV515, both also 90 nanometre based. It got things right but it was not that easy, it took ATI three tape outs to get there.

Once ATI reveals the R520, Nvidia won't have any other choice than to release a faster clocked version of G70, Geforce 7800 possibly known as Ultra. We learned that this chip will still be based on 110 nanometres as Nvidia is not ready to jump to the 90 naometre yet.

Basically, we are talking about same chip but different clock, but let me remind you that we haven’t got a huge performance increase running this chip at 500/1400 MHz with a 4000+ CPU. In order to get the real performance, you need to have a faster CPU and F55 or FX57 would be good for the task. At these speeds, you need to use ultra high settings with FSAA and Aniso on to maximum at resolutions such as 1600x1200 in order to show the difference. After G70 Ultra and R520 comes R580 and Nvidia 90 nanometre part but I doubt that there will be enough time to release those chips in 2005. It's rather likely that you will see these chips in early 2006 only.



Seems 90nm for Nvidia at least will be 2006 - ultras will just be clocked versions of GTX's - Meaning perhaps a 7900 series in Q1 06 - the '9' will be a good marketing choice as it shows 90nm.

This could be the opening ATI was banking on - perhaps the R520 will hold the fastest crown until that time, although judge me on what I say when I say anything below 1600*1200 and an FX55/57 fully overclocked - it will be difficult to see the performance increases.

Only when dual core and physics come online will we be able to unleash the full power of these technological terrors.
 
LOL that just completely contradicts ur other posty about G71 :p.

Good if it's true though - I'm an ATi lover really. Also it will be nice to own cards that will stay top of the range for about 1/2 a year.
 
No it does not contradict - it purely expands on what is essentially a truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (or the truth as I interprete it :p ).

G71 will be 90nm, just not straight away - the thought process being that GTX's are quick already (overclocked 520/1300 = 8500 in 3dm05) - if the ultras are beefed up to a 550/1400 stock core then 9000+ is possible with FM approved drivers - this is around what R520 promises.

The biggest question here is whether they go 24 pipe on the first batch and calling them what they are 7800 ultra's.

Then comes the whopper when they go 90nm (7900's) - 32 pipes and 600Mhz stock core clock is possible (not sure about ram, its pretty damn fast now!!) which can only mean more speed with less heat!!

The Coach
 
I have been looking at the R520 thing and what nvidia have been doing - it'll be good to see what does actually transpire into reality.

I think R520 will be good competition for 7800, probably quicker and will be a bit smarter (most ATI stuff is :p ).

90nm? 24pipes?, 32pipes? Who cares as long as it's faster than anything else!!

Interesting, very interesting (said rubbing chin!!).
 
Sort of makes sense, gives them more time to sort out the 90nm process and gets more use out of their current 110nm process.

Also gives them time to sort out the yields on 32 pipes.

This should tighten the race a bit i think.

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It should do, but maybe not at the start if ATI cant sort out leakage problems. (or at least cant reduce them to get the temps below 110nm ones). Also remember that on some 90nm processes the heat can scale up pretty quickly, so 90nm doesnt necessarily mean lower temps.

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So what do you thinks going to happen, theres going to be a 110nm Ultra with higher clock rates which can beat the R520, so ATi respond with the R580 in the 1Q of 2006 and Nvidia respond with the Ultra on a 90nm process and more pixel quads?
 
I honestly dont know, i havent seen anything i would trust in the slightest about performance from the R520 so that makes it all very hard to judge.

I think it may depend on how the R520 performs, if it is stunning then Nvidia will have to do a 90nm Ultra with 32 pipes, however, if it isnt stunning then Nvidia could get away with just using a 110nm Ultra and save the new 90nm process for newer cores, , so wont have to risk the low yields of 90nm and 32 pipes.

I never like to actually try and guess what is going to happen though, i only know stuff from the rumour mill which as we all know is completely unreliable.

I wont be able to afford either anyway so it's all a bit of a moot point for me really.

G
 
Well get this 'rumour' R520 will only have 24 pipes when it's released.

We can't let Nvidia have it all it's own way - it's been nearly 12 months now and we are still to see a new product from ATI.

we all know there's plenty in the pipe but in regards fo performance, it all appears to be about the same as what alredy out there - hardly compelling.

What looks good for ATI is the modders circuit - historically u can easily pelt cool an ATI card with no fear of any cold bug goings on.

They say crossfire will work on any game - which maybe over the top, until you consider that it will work better in 3dm2001se, nvidia sli kicks in only in nature, if the ati kicks in on all of them....WATCH OUT!!

So there is still hope and I guess only time will tell - there are a number of sites aorund that seem to get first dibs on products like these (advertising them a month before release) still no sign of that happening???

The Coach
 
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