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KING_OF_SAND

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So thanks to the help on this forum i have decided on the GTX570 GPU that will replace my 5870, but now my issue is "IF" now that is a big IF because i stated that their is a small possibility i will use dual GPUs (chances are still no for now) but if i decide too, I want to stick with AMD. Now obviously since this is a Nvidia card it will not run SLi on a AMD board like my formula III, so i am looking at a perfect OC board (and i mean near perfect, something that will allow a easy/stable 4ghz+ OC on a 965, nice clean BIOS and others, and high OC NB and SB). i am focusing on the Lucid Hydra chip boards that MSI and ASUS have released, but not 100% sure on the stability of using SLi on a 890FX/GX NB board with Lucid. what board do you recommend? also if you know of any other perfect OC board that supports AMD CPU and does not come equipped with Lucid and will support SLi, heavy OC on all parts please feel free to mention the board. thank you.

I also plan on heavily OCing the GPU.
 

Um...I could be wrong but prove it. You can't mix GPU's brands unless there's a lucid chip on Mobo.

That being said you can only run Sli "and" Crossfire on Intel CPU's and only crossfire on AMD CPU's. Still not being able to mix GPU brands without Lucid chips on Mobo's as in Crosshair 4 extreme.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Nvidia but per articles I've read and Toms review My link

With this information I think your advice is wrong. If I'm wrong please show me so I can correct my info
 
So thanks to the help on this forum i have decided on the GTX570 GPU that will replace my 5870, but now my issue is "IF" now that is a big IF because i stated that their is a small possibility i will use dual GPUs (chances are still no for now) but if i decide too, I want to stick with AMD. Now obviously since this is a Nvidia card it will not run SLi on a AMD board like my formula III, so i am looking at a perfect OC board (and i mean near perfect, something that will allow a easy/stable 4ghz+ OC on a 965, nice clean BIOS and others, and high OC NB and SB). i am focusing on the Lucid Hydra chip boards that MSI and ASUS have released, but not 100% sure on the stability of using SLi on a 890FX/GX NB board with Lucid. what board do you recommend? also if you know of any other perfect OC board that supports AMD CPU and does not come equipped with Lucid and will support SLi, heavy OC on all parts please feel free to mention the board. thank you.

I also plan on heavily OCing the GPU.

Lol...sorry King. I almost forgot to reply due to the Mam gland show in your thumbnail...
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Which formula 3? I'm assuming Crosshair formula 3 since you said it's an AMD board?

If you plan on going with AMD crossfire in future why would you waste money on a Geforce...just buy a good ATI now but not 68 - 6900's because they're basically 5830's.

Get a 59??...the prices are coming down, except for the 5970 Lol
 
Lol...sorry King. I almost forgot to reply due to the Mam gland show in your thumbnail...
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Which formula 3? I'm assuming Crosshair formula 3 since you said it's an AMD board?

If you plan on going with AMD crossfire in future why would you waste money on a Geforce...just buy a good ATI now but not 68 - 6900's because they're basically 5830's.

Get a 59??...the prices are coming down, except for the 5970 Lol

yes i was referring to the crosshair formula III. and i dont want last gen cards because i like were DX11 is going and i dont want to spend the money on a 5970 due to the fact it deosnt perform as well in DX11 as the 570 does. also i talked about this in my last post on which GPU i should get here (http://forum.overclo...23-cant-decide/)
 
also the 570 seems to beat the 5970 in most DX10 applications and pretty much all DX11 applications.

Ok. if you like where DX 11 is going combined with your statement about wanting to stay AMD when (if) you crossfire. I'd get a 6970 and the one you have and crossfire them now or buy two 6970's and be done with it. See Toms vid My link These cards in crossfire should beat the 570-580. That way you will already have your feet wet with crossfire when the higher end cards come out.

Then when the high end AMD cards come out I'd use the 6970 (that you would already have) in crossfire with the newer high end AMD card.

You could be running crossfire right now with your current AMD and a new 6970 and loving it. As I said you cant run two different GPU brands on that Crosshair 3 as it doesn't have a lucid chip. I have to agree with Tom but I'll put it in my own words. Using two different brand GPU's is just wonkers

Just saying...a purchase of a 570 will be a waste of time and money if like you said "you want to stay AMD later to run Crossfire

Easy Peasy
 
Ok. if you like where DX 11 is going combined with your statement about wanting to stay AMD when (if) you crossfire. I'd get a 6970 and the one you have and crossfire them now or buy two 6970's and be done with it. See Toms vid My link These cards in crossfire should beat the 570-580. That way you will already have your feet wet with crossfire when the higher end cards come out.

Then when the high end AMD cards come out I'd use the 6970 (that you would already have) in crossfire with the newer high end AMD card.

You could be running crossfire right now with your current AMD and a new 6970 and loving it. As I said you cant run two different GPU brands on that Crosshair 3 as it doesn't have a lucid chip. I have to agree with Tom but I'll put it in my own words. Using two different brand GPU's is just wonkers

Just saying...a purchase of a 570 will be a waste of time and money if like you said "you want to stay AMD later to run Crossfire

Easy Peasy

you have to read the link in my post before why the 570 seemed to be the better option.
 
I think I ubderstand the reasons but lemme check. You say the 570 is better at all DX 10 and most DX 11 and you wanted to stay AMD for crossfire later on, correct?

If that's your main reason, the new AMD 6970 has DX 11 also and from Toms' reviews it rocks on DX 10 - 11 and has new tessellation. Watch his video review My link on a single 6970 and on the plus side a pair of 6970's scale like mad in crossfire.

I probably wasn't much help and not trying to talk you out of anything. Just trying to help and give you another view that you may not have thought of.

good luck...I'm out of ideas
 
I think I ubderstand the reasons but lemme check. You say the 570 is better at all DX 10 and most DX 11 and you wanted to stay AMD for crossfire later on, correct?

If that's your main reason, the new AMD 6970 has DX 11 also and from Toms' reviews it rocks on DX 10 - 11 and has new tessellation. Watch his video review My link on a single 6970 and on the plus side a pair of 6970's scale like mad in crossfire.

I probably wasn't much help and not trying to talk you out of anything. Just trying to help and give you another view that you may not have thought of.

good luck...I'm out of ideas

no i wanted to stay away from multi GPU as much as possible. BUT if i wanted to and i got the GTX 570 what would then be a better MOBO option supporting AMD CPU as well as SLi. remember this is a BIG IF. and maybe quite a ways down the line. i also love physX so that is a big up for me on the 570 side.
 
you have to read the link in my post before why the 570 seemed to be the better option.

If you want a Mobo with Lucid I would recommend the Crosshair 4 extreme (be prepared for a high 40mm high fan noise, you can unplug it though)although I didn't buy mine for the lucid chip...but its around a $400.00 Mobo. It doesn't perform much better than the 4 formula I had but has some extra features that I wanted to try out.

Am now wishing that I waited and kept the formula 4 (only because I payed for the extra lucid that I will never use) and bought a new 6970 to go with my 5970 that I inherited (great friends are great...HEhe)
 
no i wanted to stay away from multi GPU as much as possible. BUT if i wanted to and i got the GTX 570 what would then be a better MOBO option supporting AMD CPU as well as SLi. remember this is a BIG IF. and maybe quite a ways down the line. i also love physX so that is a big up for me on the 570 side.

Ooooohhh...OK. Now I see said the blind man. Then I would go with the 4 extreme that I also have. It has the Lucid chip to run SLI or Mix. Plus ASUS has excellent overclocking features and voltage tweak, core unlocker and support
 
King...turn off your picture of her...I cant tell if she's making them move or there's an earthquake and she's trying to keep them still but I really don't care
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Lol
 
Um...I could be wrong but prove it. You can't mix GPU's brands unless there's a lucid chip on Mobo.

You could try reading it. But OK, proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHK4IgRqyZQ

can you verify that this will work. perhaps with some screenshots. i am trying to stay away from this stuff, but if this works 100% and is reliable not effecting any OCs then i will give it a go.

Just read it. If you know anything about computers then it's very easy to understand how it works. In short? it tells Windows you have an X58 motherboard so when the drivers look they think "oh, an X58, that's ok then".
 
You could try reading it. But OK, proof.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=hHK4IgRqyZQ

Just read it. If you know anything about computers then it's very easy to understand how it works. In short? it tells Windows you have an X58 motherboard so when the drivers look they think "oh, an X58, that's ok then".

i know how it works, and understand it 100% but will it effect performance, have scaling issues, effect my OCed NB, CPU, or SB, have potential harm to BIOS, ETC. tricking mobo components or any other components generally never works 100% as advertised. i want to know the side effects to this, and their are defiantly some, i dont believe that their is none.
 
I still want to know? This is very interesting to me and i want to know what the side effects are. If they are minor, and by looking at the vid their does not seem to be anything noticeable, I just dont want to screw up my MOBO and overclocking ability.
 
If the hack works as it should there will be no side effects.

The PCIE format works the same across all motherboards. If you have two 16x PCIE then theoretically you can put two of the same PCIE cards in them (either Radeons or Geforce cards) and then link them. Sadly due to monopolisation it's locked out.

For example on a Crossfire motherboard the bios includes an instance. When you get into Windows your chipset is then recognised so that the drivers can look at it. The equation is that the drivers look to the chipset identified by Windows. A simple program line of (not in C) "If ID = XXXX allow". So, ID being the hardware ID given by the GPU and the XXXX bit being the specific hardware ID used by say a Radeon. So, if an AMD chipset is Crossfire only (which they are, due to them being Nvidia's biggest rival) then the drivers will look at the ID of the cards and refuse to link them.

SLI works in the same way. When you boot into Windows it looks at the cards. However, the protection to not running Crossfire on an Nvidia chipset (780a in my experience) is a lot more nasty. Basically when I tried to Crossfire my 5770s on my Crosshair 2 (Nforce 780a) I could only boot into safe mode. If I tried to boot into normal Windows mode with the cards in and the drivers installed (by installing one and then shutting down, plugging in the other and rebooting) the PC would simply reset as soon as the driver loaded and sniffed the cards. This kind of protection (for Crossfire on an SLI board) is done at a low level in the bios. Meaning that no software can bypass it.

However on AMD based chipsets they are not as nasty. Instead of forcing a hardware reset at a low level the board instead just simply stops the PCIE slots being linked if it finds two Nvidia IDs (hardware dev ids). However, this is where the patch comes in. You plug in two Nvidia cards. You go into Windows and patch it. At which point somewhere deep in your device manager it then appears as if you are using an X58 chipset. Thus, when you load up the Nvidia drivers and it looks at what chipset you are running it comes back with an O.K and will enable.

The way it was done was to basically reverse engineer an X58 bios using a disassembler (no mean feat seeing as all new bioses are encrypted) and finding out just what was happening. At that point they figured it out, borrowed
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a portion of that bios and implemented it into their patch.

Due to the way it works it would be *incredibly* hard for Nvidia to stop it working. I mean, what you going to do? stop SLI running on what the drivers see as an X58 chipset?
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It's all down to licensing mate. When you want SLI to work on your motherboard you pay Nvidia for the pleasure. When you want a USB port you pay apple $1 in royalties for each one. When you want Firewire you pay apple $3 for each one. ETC, ETC.

Well, that and just being a monopolising Ahole and trying to force people to make a choice. Intel decided to say nuts to the lot of them and just got on with X58. But AMD will likely never EVER pay Nvidia to put SLI on their boards.

Lucid? they don't need to pay any one. Hydra works differently by hijacking the Direct X signals at a low level and combining the processing power of any two or three GPUs you put in but it doesn't link like SLI or Crossfire do. It's proprietory.

So yes. I would say if you're in the slightest bit worried get some cheap Nvidia GPUs capable of SLI (8600gt or something, or, even the old ones like the 7900gt) have a crack and see how it goes. Or, if you already have one 570 then buy another one, if you can't get it to run you can have an 'ahem' accident with the second one and return it for a refund
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But yes, in summary, from some one who knows a lot about software coding and programming, I would say it ought to work perfectly
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That was helpful and taught me a few things i didn't know but does not quite answer my question. Yes in a perfect world their would be no side effects, but some of these people who make these mods can either add something not wanted and that can slowly degrade your system, becomes impossible to uninstall if a problem occurs, virus, not friendly with certain hardware/drivers/OC software, etc. ESPECIALLY FROM RUSSIA!
 
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