What Do You Think of This? (First Rig)

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McMantis

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Hello I'm building my first gaming rig and have done alot of research. I will be building this rig around end of november so i'm unsure of what processor i'll be using and GPU but I have selected components in my budget. My budget consists of 950 GBP. I have mainly been researching this around Arma 2: Operations Arrowhead and Battlefield 3 for use with 1920x1080 resolution. I'm thinking of a blue/black theme with bright white LEDs inside of the case to light it up for the window.

Chassis: CM Storm Enforcer (Replace red front 200mm fan with blue one)

PSU: Cougar GX Gold 800W (Maybe SLI)

Mobo: ASUS' P8P67 PRO or ASUS' P8Z68

CPU: 2600K or Ivy Bridge

CPU Cooler: Corsair H60

RAM: Corsair 2x4GB 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance (in blue to fit with motherboard)

GPU: Asus 1GB GeForce GTX 560TI (Maybe another one in SLI in the future)

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB with 32MB Cache and spindle of 7200rpm

SSD: (Will fit one but not straight away)

Optical Drive: Sony 24x DVDRW (Will only be installed when installing discs such as games and utility cds)

Please let me know what you think I have done alot of research.
 
McMantis said:
Hello I'm building my first gaming rig and have done alot of research. I will be building this rig around end of november so i'm unsure of what processor i'll be using and GPU but I have selected components in my budget. My budget consists of 950 GBP. I have mainly been researching this around Arma 2: Operations Arrowhead and Battlefield 3 for use with 1920x1080 resolution. I'm thinking of a blue/black theme with bright white LEDs inside of the case to light it up for the window.

Chassis: CM Storm Enforcer (Replace red front 200mm fan with blue one)

PSU: Cougar GX Gold 800W (Maybe SLI)

Mobo: ASUS' P8P67 PRO or ASUS' P8Z68

CPU: 2600K or Ivy Bridge

CPU Cooler: Corsair H60

RAM: Corsair 2x4GB 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance (in blue to fit with motherboard)

GPU: Asus 1GB GeForce GTX 560TI (Maybe another one in SLI in the future)

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB with 32MB Cache and spindle of 7200rpm

SSD: (Will fit one but not straight away)

Optical Drive: Sony 24x DVDRW (Will only be installed when installing discs such as games and utility cds)

Please let me know what you think I have done alot of research.
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Hi,

As you're building a pure gamer I'd use the 2500k rather than the 2600k if I were you. You could then use money saved spec'ing up another component, such as GPU.

I'd go Z68 over P67 ... well, I did in fact! The P8Z68-V Pro is an excellent board in my view, even though there are cheaper boards out there I've always had great experiences with ASUS stuff, and not so great with others, so they are a personal preference now.

Also, optical drive-wise, maybe try a decent external one (they're not that expensive) if you really don't want it in the machine all the time. Did this for a friend recently & it worked well. Either USB or E-SATA would do the job.

I'm sure other will have more to add
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Cheers,

Scoob.
 
Scoob said:
Hi,

As you're building a pure gamer I'd use the 2500k rather than the 2600k if I were you. You could then use money saved spec'ing up another component, such as GPU.

Cheers,

Scoob.
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I was thinking that but I will be playing alot of Arma 2 which is very demmanding on the CPU and I'm thinking of SLI later on so GPU isn't a problem.

dugdiamond said:
why the H60?
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It looks nice, It does the job well, its small compared to fan cooler and I won't be doing high overclocks.
 
I would go with this below.

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Add an optical in if you need but installing windows 7 from a pen drive is better.
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You could overclock the nutz out of this on bother GPU and CPU and get loads more performance, You will need it for BF3 on max.

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McMantis said:
I was thinking that but I will be playing alot of Arma 2 which is very demmanding on the CPU and I'm thinking of SLI later on so GPU isn't a problem.

It looks nice, It does the job well, its small compared to fan cooler and I won't be doing high overclocks.
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Games don't use Hyperthreading at all, They can't there single thread applications, Also 2500k Overclockers better and runs cooler, And is normally abit faster in games by 1-4FPS over a 2600K.

H60 = bag of shit.
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Natashaful said:
Games don't use Hyperthreading at all, They can't there single thread applications, Also 2500k Overclockers better and runs cooler, And is normally abit faster in games by 1-4FPS over a 2600K.

H60 = bag of shit.
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Games are not single threaded.

They usually use between two and four, hence games have MT rendering settings you can toggle
 
I don't really understand all of the hate on the H-60, it is not the best performing cooler BUT if you are looking for a low profile, good looking cooler for better cooling on a slight overclock then that is better for you to get then the huge ass, great performing ugly as hell NH-D14. he said that he isn't going to be doing any crazy overclocking so the H-60 will be more then enough, the NH-D14 would just be overkill. I would go with the system that Natashaful* posted but switch the D14 for an H60. Would be beast for gaming.
 
I ment Games don't support Hyperthreading as they should from CPU, So it's pointless having it for games, And you get higher overclock with Z68 boards, Over p67, And better cooling means more able to overclock without having to worry about Heat, Not to mention You pay for the Phase power Fets on higher end gear which means more stable power which means higher overclocks and cooler operation, Longer life.
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H60 is loud as stock fans, Time you factor in two new fans you're into £90 bracket.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/306?vs=330 Link for a 560 Vs 570, Bare in mind the win frozer will overclock alot to 580 speeds, I wouldn't bother with the 560Ti a decent one with a semi good cooler is about £40 less and the gap on BF3 will be alot bigger on performance due to shaders required for BF3.
 
8 virtual cores can perform worse than 4 actual cores. The reason is overhead. HT is not free and adds some complexity to the thread scheduler, This is what i mean by 2600HT is pointless for games, Infact getting the 2500K would run cooler, Overclock better, Run games clock for clock faster, Because it doesn't suffer from HT syndrome, If he is going to do Video editing, Compiling etc, Yes the 2600K might be worth it, Only if he is Doing alot of it.
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Natashaful said:
H60 = bag of shit.
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Just say what you mean and stop beating around the bush, you'll confuse the chap! Lol
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RE: CPU choice...My friend just HAD to buy the 2600k because I had the 2500k (he did the same before, I had a Q6600 he right away got the Q6700, before that I got a 4200 x2 he got the next model up) Each time our overclocks have been equal or with me slightly in the lead/more stable and he's ended up spending an awful lot more.

2500k + 570 makes a nice combo and SLI'ing that in the future (as I just have) is a BIG leap in performance.

Cheers,

Scoob.
 
Natashaful said:
8 virtual cores can perform worse than 4 actual cores. The reason is overhead. HT is not free and adds some complexity to the thread scheduler, This is what i mean by 2600HT is pointless for games, Infact getting the 2500K would run cooler, Overclock better, Run games clock for clock faster, Because it doesn't suffer from HT syndrome, If he is going to do Video editing, Compiling etc, Yes the 2600K might be worth it, Only if he is Doing alot of it.
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(...orly?...
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Depends on the game and it's age.

A game will run better on a 2500k with MT rendering enabled than disabled.

Also AFAIK you can disable HT on all Intel processors that support it so a 2600k might actually be a better choice for overhead
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The Protocol said:
(...orly?...
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Depends on the game and it's age.

A game will run better on a 2500k with MT rendering enabled than disabled.

Also AFAIK you can disable HT on all Intel processors that support it so a 2600k might actually be a better choice for overhead
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No it doesn't, You're saying buying a 2600k with a 560TI is better then a 2500K with a 570GTX for gaming, Because the cost differance between the two CPU's are more then it would be to buy a 570GTX, Futher more i know alot about gaming engines, HT is a total waste of time now, And will be in the future, It's intention was allways for office Appz.

If you didn't know the 2500k Is the same Core, It would make no difference to overclocking and speed if you disabled HT on a 2600k, It's all about the luck factor over which CPU was speed binned higher, Most 2500k will do 5Ghz as will most 2600k, It's simply transistor limition with a luck factor of a batch run.
 
if you are looking for a WC AIO solution - you are better getting a CoolIt Vantage (or an ECO II), rather the H60.

the vantage is way better than all corsair's 120mm solutions - i know. i have had them all
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I still look at sealed loops as a potential disaster, I mean such a small pump running at those temps none stop, It's going to fail at some point, Just like my H50 did
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RIP Mr tibbles build
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Natashaful said:
No it doesn't, You're saying buying a 2600k with a 560TI is better then a 2500K with a 570GTX for gaming, Because the cost differance between the two CPU's are more then it would be to buy a 570GTX, Futher more i know alot about gaming engines, HT is a total waste of time now, And will be in the future, It's intention was allways for office Appz.

If you didn't know the 2500k Is the same Core, It would make no difference to overclocking and speed if you disabled HT on a 2600k, It's all about the luck factor over which CPU was speed binned higher, Most 2500k will do 5Ghz as will most 2600k, It's simply transistor limition with a luck factor of a batch run.
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Oh and a 920 is as good for overclocking as a 950 because it's the same core, and bin rank means nothing?

Disabling HT has allowed higher OCs on previous generation Intel CPUs, it should at least allow a few 100Mhz more than leaving it enabled.

I'm not on about HT rendering, I'm on about MT rendering. MT is the same as MC, just it counts threads aswell as cores.

I'm also not talking about a processor being paired with any paticular card I'm talking about the processor alone - regardless of GPU choice.

Anyway, I'm leaving this thread...
 
The Protocol said:
Oh and a 920 is as good for overclocking as a 950 because it's the same core, and bin rank means nothing?

Disabling HT has allowed higher OCs on previous generation Intel CPUs, it should at least allow a few 100Mhz more than leaving it enabled.

I'm not on about HT rendering, I'm on about MT rendering. MT is the same as MC, just it counts threads aswell as cores.

I'm also not talking about a processor being paired with any paticular card I'm talking about the processor alone - regardless of GPU choice.

Anyway, I'm leaving this thread...
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920 and the 950 are a different set of circumstances because they're speed binned and marked up as a higher grade chip the 2500k and 2600k are speed binned at the Same Speed protocol, Comparing the 2500k and 2600k is the same as comparing the Core i5 750 to a core i7 920 or a 760to a 930.

HT actually slows games down, As i said before.
 
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