What are AMD Teasing?

why would you buy a 970 when AMD is only 5 days away announcing their next cards:p?

Just want a new toy to play with and the 970s overclock like crazy so I wouldn't mind playing with one. If AMD bring something more worth while out in the mean time i'll buy that instead. :D
 
People don't half talk a load of crap when it comes to AMD.

For as long as I can remember (for around the last 5 years) people have always put AMD (ATI) down saying with every GPU generation and each set of cards released that they aren't going to be able to compete and that Nvidia will come out with something that will blown them out of the water.

This has been going on for 5 years as far as I can remember and every single time AMD are right up Nvidia's ass, every single time. Not to mention AMD dominate the low to mid range end of the market with their cards. And this is where it matters, as most of GPU sales are in the mid to low end. Nvidia may have the fastest highend cards but they also charge a premium for it.

I'm no AMD fanboy or any other type of fanboy, I just buy whatever card is best for my money, i'm even trying to sell my 290 to get a 970. But it really gets on my nerves to see people constantly coming out with complete and utter crap when it comes to AMD.

Yes, AMD has been relegated to being the too little too late company for a long time because of things like letting nVidia put out their card a week ahead of AMD and by then people have already upgraded to nVidia. Plus the fact that AMD has decided to play the catchup game instead of trying to lead into new areas of design. The nVidia NVlink will make huge strides forward in removing the PCIE bottleneck we are now faced with, what is AMD doing to increase the gpu to cpu pathway? nothing...
 
The nVidia NVlink will make huge strides forward in removing the PCIE bottleneck we are now faced with, what is AMD doing to increase the gpu to cpu pathway? nothing...

PCIE bottleneck? what? todays cards arent even using the full bandwidth of PCIEx16
 
Yes, AMD has been relegated to being the too little too late company for a long time because of things like letting nVidia put out their card a week ahead of AMD and by then people have already upgraded to nVidia. Plus the fact that AMD has decided to play the catchup game instead of trying to lead into new areas of design. The nVidia NVlink will make huge strides forward in removing the PCIE bottleneck we are now faced with, what is AMD doing to increase the gpu to cpu pathway? nothing...

Poppy cock! AMD have been slow to the table because Intel has had the market cornered and by cornered I mean stockist & system builders bought out, thus choking their development funding. I for one look forward to the future AMD has to come.
 
Yes, AMD has been relegated to being the too little too late company for a long time because of things like letting nVidia put out their card a week ahead of AMD and by then people have already upgraded to nVidia. Plus the fact that AMD has decided to play the catchup game instead of trying to lead into new areas of design. The nVidia NVlink will make huge strides forward in removing the PCIE bottleneck we are now faced with, what is AMD doing to increase the gpu to cpu pathway? nothing...

What do you mean to little to late? Their cards compete with Nvidias and that is all they need to do. Also there is no PCIE bottleneck unless you are using 4 cards and that is due to the CPU side not the GPU side. Things like Mantle and DX12 will help with that though.
 
What do you mean to little to late? Their cards compete with Nvidias and that is all they need to do. Also there is no PCIE bottleneck unless you are using 4 cards and that is due to the CPU side not the GPU side. Things like Mantle and DX12 will help with that though.

They competed with the 7xx series after 5 months. That's five months without competition for nvidia. They better release something soon because matching the performance of the competition half a year later isn't keeping up.
The 7xxx series was spot on, to me the r9 2xx series was disappointing.
 
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They competed with the 7xx series after 5 months. That's five months without competition for nvidia. They better release something soon because matching the performance of the competition half a year later isn't keeping up.

AMD released the 290 and 290x to compete with the 780 and not the 780Ti. Nvidia pulled the 780Ti when AMD announced the 290X. If it wasn't for the 290X Nvida most likely wouldn't have even released the 780Ti. AMD haven't had to try and beat the 780Ti though, the 290X has been £100 cheaper at all times and is only ~5-10fps slower.
 
Also there is no PCIE bottleneck unless you are using 4 cards and that is due to the CPU side not the GPU side. Things like Mantle and DX12 will help with that though.

Of course there is a bottleneck, how can you know how a computer works and not know there is a bottleneck at the gpu-cpu interface??

SAN JOSE, CA - GTC -- NVIDIA today announced that it plans to integrate a high-speed interconnect, called NVIDIA® NVLink™, into its future GPUs, enabling GPUs and CPUs to share data five to 12 times faster than they can today. This will eliminate a longstanding bottleneck and help pave the way for a new generation of exascale supercomputers that are 50-100 times faster than today's most powerful systems.

NVIDIA NVLink is the world's first high-speed GPU interconnect, helping pave the way to exascale computing.
NVIDIA will add NVLink technology into its Pascal GPU architecture -- expected to be introduced in 2016 -- following this year's new NVIDIA Maxwell compute architecture. The new interconnect was co-developed with IBM, which is incorporating it in future versions of its POWER CPUs.

Today's GPUs are connected to x86-based CPUs through the PCI Express (PCIe) interface, which limits the GPU's ability to access the CPU memory system and is four- to five-times slower than typical CPU memory systems. PCIe is an even greater bottleneck between the GPU and IBM POWER CPUs, which have more bandwidth than x86 CPUs. As the NVLink interface will match the bandwidth of typical CPU memory systems, it will enable GPUs to access CPU memory at its full bandwidth.

This high-bandwidth interconnect will dramatically improve accelerated software application performance. Because of memory system differences -- GPUs have fast but small memories, and CPUs have large but slow memories -- accelerated computing applications typically move data from the network or disk storage to CPU memory, and then copy the data to GPU memory before it can be crunched by the GPU. With NVLink, the data moves between the CPU memory and GPU memory at much faster speeds, making GPU-accelerated applications run much faster.


Read the full article if you want to know more...
 
The AMDRadeon part of the tweets suggests it's a new graphics card. My best guess would be the R9 285X, although it'd be nice to see the R9 390X I guess.

Either way, it's something to look forward to over the coming days. :D

They competed with the 7xx series after 5 months. That's five months without competition for nvidia. They better release something soon because matching the performance of the competition half a year later isn't keeping up.
The 7xxx series was spot on, to me the r9 2xx series was disappointing.
It's always a back and forth with AMD and Nvidia. Each generation, people (read: fanbois) predict the end of either company when they soundly beat their competition.

As an example:

HD 4000/5000/6000 series being released = end of Nvidia according to AMD fanbois

GTX 600/700/900 series being released = end of AMD according to Nvidia fanbois

Goes back further too. Don't count AMD out by a long shot, Nvidia may be well ahead at this very instant; the new GTX 980 and 970 are awesome. However AMD surprised us with the 290X last year provoking large price cuts from Nvidia in response (wouldn't have bought my 780 otherwise), I'm sure they'll do it again. :p
 
Of course there is a bottleneck, how can you know how a computer works and not know there is a bottleneck at the gpu-cpu interface??

SAN JOSE, CA - GTC -- NVIDIA today announced that it plans to integrate a high-speed interconnect, called NVIDIA® NVLink™, into its future GPUs, enabling GPUs and CPUs to share data five to 12 times faster than they can today. This will eliminate a longstanding bottleneck and help pave the way for a new generation of exascale supercomputers that are 50-100 times faster than today's most powerful systems.

NVIDIA NVLink is the world's first high-speed GPU interconnect, helping pave the way to exascale computing.
NVIDIA will add NVLink technology into its Pascal GPU architecture -- expected to be introduced in 2016 -- following this year's new NVIDIA Maxwell compute architecture. The new interconnect was co-developed with IBM, which is incorporating it in future versions of its POWER CPUs.

Today's GPUs are connected to x86-based CPUs through the PCI Express (PCIe) interface, which limits the GPU's ability to access the CPU memory system and is four- to five-times slower than typical CPU memory systems. PCIe is an even greater bottleneck between the GPU and IBM POWER CPUs, which have more bandwidth than x86 CPUs. As the NVLink interface will match the bandwidth of typical CPU memory systems, it will enable GPUs to access CPU memory at its full bandwidth.

This high-bandwidth interconnect will dramatically improve accelerated software application performance. Because of memory system differences -- GPUs have fast but small memories, and CPUs have large but slow memories -- accelerated computing applications typically move data from the network or disk storage to CPU memory, and then copy the data to GPU memory before it can be crunched by the GPU. With NVLink, the data moves between the CPU memory and GPU memory at much faster speeds, making GPU-accelerated applications run much faster.


Read the full article if you want to know more...

The bottleneck isn't an issue for most people, when you are using 4 cards then the bottleneck becomes a problem. You can ask Kaapstad about this as he has done tests with his 4x290Xs and his 4xTitans.

Also do you really think AMD aren't working on their own equivalent of NVlink?
This is what I am talking about, every single time people keep coming out with things that Nvidia are doing and say that AMD wont be able to compete with them because of it, yet they always do.

If they don't then fair enough, but sitting there saying it as if they wont or can't is just silly.
 
AMD released the 290 and 290x to compete with the 780 and not the 780Ti. Nvidia pulled the 780Ti when AMD announced the 290X. If it wasn't for the 290X Nvida most likely wouldn't have even released the 780Ti. AMD haven't had to try and beat the 780Ti though, the 290X has been £100 cheaper at all times and is only ~5-10fps slower.

Goes back further too. Don't count AMD out by a long shot, Nvidia may be well ahead at this very instant; the new GTX 980 and 970 are awesome. However AMD surprised us with the 290X last year provoking large price cuts from Nvidia in response (wouldn't have bought my 780 otherwise), I'm sure they'll do it again. :p

It's not that they got beaten by the 780ti, it's that they only matched the performance of the 780 five months after 780 release. Either you match the performance within a month or you beat the competitor's current generation like it beat your previous generation half a year later.
It's AMD's fault that the 780 was so expensive in the first place because nvidia could do whatever they pleased to do for five months.

It's always a back and forth with AMD and Nvidia. Each generation, people (read: fanbois) predict the end of either company when they soundly beat their competition.

As an example:

HD 4000/5000/6000 series being released = end of Nvidia according to AMD fanbois

GTX 600/700/900 series being released = end of AMD according to Nvidia fanbois

I don't consider AMD done, i only think AMD needs to step up and start competing with nvidia sooner, trailing by half a year can't be good for any company. At least not if you don't provide something that blows the competition out of the water.
 
Like someone else said, it's not just about the top end cards and racing for benchmarks and temps /tdp stats.

For a majority of users they're running £100-£150 cards, and bang per pound starts to get blurry when things like deals or sales or free software/games may swing buyers at that price point.


How many gamers really need or care about TDP, benchmark perf stats etc, vs actual in game performance on their chosen games and resolutions?

AMD clearly do well for themselves, they're still here after years of being ahead and behind vs their competition. They've been chosen for the Mac Pro GPU, developed Mantle API etc.

Yes they made some cock ups but so has Intel and Nvidia over the years. In the big picture AMD are a bit behind in desirability on the high end gamer cards. Small fry really. Yes a heat sink on a top end gamer GPU wasn't ideal for a few months... On the other hand they got two of their GPU in the most innovative high end PC hardware for a decade. From that perspective AMD are hardly failing.

The new 9xx pricing points to the fact AMD are putting pressure on Nvidia in my view.

As much as this new GPU might not be amazing, it could just as well be a first step in a swing back to ATI dominance in the high end GPU market.


Some perspective is sorely needed by some of the people commenting here... if they dint want to risk eating their words in a few days hehe.

Dave
 
Amd price per share: 3.81
nVidia Price per share: 19.08

That's all I am saying and we all know why it is like this.
 
I don't consider AMD done, i only think AMD needs to step up and start competing with nvidia sooner, trailing by half a year can't be good for any company. At least not if you don't provide something that blows the competition out of the water.
Yeah it'd definitely be nice to have a more instant response from AMD and Nvidia to their competition, but you have to remember a GPU is a huge and expensive R&D undertaking. Realistically a huge GPU is going to take 3-5 years (maybe even more - I'm not a designer working on GPUs) to design and iron out all the issues.

Be thankful that there *is* fierce competition between them in the GPU space. It could be a lot more boring like the CPU space.
 
That's all I am saying and we all know why it is like this.

Yeah, because one has a larger market share and the other has a crappy CPU department thats done nothing to rake in the cash since.... 2008? GG



Considering AMD are talking alot about GTA V I'm almost tempted to guess around then (27th January) we'll see the new line of cards, or just before.

At the end of the day, whoever makes the best bang for buck card I'll get. I'm personally not fussed about power draw and as the 290/290x with aftermarket coolers show, you can still overclock them like beasts despite AMD's best efforts. I don't give a crap about either some proprietary crap which keeps me stuck with one GPU brand (hello Gsync) or some daft particle effect thing (TresFX). More grunt, less cost plz. Decent temperatures are nice as well, although kinda unrealistic for me considering my current setup is a bit devoid of airflow. Oh, and both make drivers as good as eachother in my experience now.

Also, the 680vs 7970/280x vs 770 is probably the best part of the market. Everything is so close performance wise. Maybe we'll see that again with the 970 vs 380x(or whatever AMD decide to call the next set of cards).
 
Amd price per share: 3.81
nVidia Price per share: 19.08

That's all I am saying and we all know why it is like this.

Why is it like that?

Wouldn't overall company value over time be a better compare?
Ie, Apple share price bombed in the recent stock split despite overall market value still streaking ever upwards...

Dave
 
Yeah it'd definitely be nice to have a more instant response from AMD and Nvidia to their competition, but you have to remember a GPU is a huge and expensive R&D undertaking. Realistically a huge GPU is going to take 3-5 years (maybe even more - I'm not a designer working on GPUs) to design and iron out all the issues.

Be thankful that there *is* fierce competition between them in the GPU space. It could be a lot more boring like the CPU space.

I am not one to give out As for effort. I am happy that there is competition but that doesn't justify trailing behind. If they want my money they have to convince me that they are the better manufacturer.

Yeah, because one has a larger market share and the other has a crappy CPU department thats done nothing to rake in the cash since.... 2008? GG



Considering AMD are talking alot about GTA V I'm almost tempted to guess around then (27th January) we'll see the new line of cards, or just before.

At the end of the day, whoever makes the best bang for buck card I'll get. I'm personally not fussed about power draw and as the 290/290x with aftermarket coolers show, you can still overclock them like beasts despite AMD's best efforts. I don't give a crap about either some proprietary crap which keeps me stuck with one GPU brand (hello Gsync) or some daft particle effect thing (TresFX). More grunt, less cost plz. Decent temperatures are nice as well, although kinda unrealistic for me considering my current setup is a bit devoid of airflow. Oh, and both make drivers as good as eachother in my experience now.

Also, the 680vs 7970/280x vs 770 is probably the best part of the market. Everything is so close performance wise. Maybe we'll see that again with the 970 vs 380x(or whatever AMD decide to call the next set of cards).

What is the point of getting a GPU which is 30€ cheaper if it then costs you 40€ more a year to run. Kind of kills the bang for buck idea, doesn't it.
 
I am not one to give out As for effort. I am happy that there is competition but that doesn't justify trailing behind. If they want my money they have to convince me that they are the better manufacturer.



What is the point of getting a GPU which is 30€ cheaper if it then costs you 40€ more a year to run. Kind of kills the bang for buck idea, doesn't it.

well the differnece between a 980 and a 290x is here only 17€ a year if its always under load 4 hours a day, thats not very realistic and not very much
 
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