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KingNosser
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Obviously we need reviews, but the prices more in line with what you'd expect.
I noticed 96fps in ACV @8k I get around 110fps in 1440p on my 6800XT I'd say that is quite the leap in performance
Obviously we need reviews, but the prices more in line with what you'd expect.
I noticed 96fps in ACV @8k I get around 110fps in 1440p on my 6800XT I'd say that is quite the leap in performance
Dicehunter
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$999 for their top end card 7900XTX that looks like it could match the 4090, I can see Nvidia price drops incoming 
Nogginthenog
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I think the most important part of this announcement is that it suggests the product stack will stay at roughly the same pricepoints as last generation.
This is good, because with Nvidia's 4080/70 card initially prices at at least £900, they obviously plan for the one everyone actually buys, the 4060, to be beyond £500.
This should force a strategy change.
This is good, because with Nvidia's 4080/70 card initially prices at at least £900, they obviously plan for the one everyone actually buys, the 4060, to be beyond £500.
This should force a strategy change.
AlienALX
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That was the worst presentation I have ever seen.
8k FSR FSR yada ya. Everything they showed was using FSR, which is total crap. I used it once and it made me feel very ill.
That said when I see the actual performance I may actually be impressed, and I think the prices are very reasonable.
I don't think Nvidia will be dropping their prices. Firstly it will be ages before you can buy one of these cards at anything closely resembling the RRP and secondly Nvidia will not change their 70%. They can't, because of the share holders.
What I am 99% will happen is they will replace their entire current lineup with a new one in order to keep their prices where they are.
So don't be expecting bargain RTX any time soon, unless you buy a 30 series card.
Also, these are not the cards people buy. I'm more interested to see the 7 and 8 cards. Because if the main die is much smaller yet it keeps those cheap AF chiplets around it they could be very cheap.
Overall though I'm quite pleased. The only thing I am concerned about is the I word. Interposer. They've long been problematic for AMD.
8k FSR FSR yada ya. Everything they showed was using FSR, which is total crap. I used it once and it made me feel very ill.
That said when I see the actual performance I may actually be impressed, and I think the prices are very reasonable.
I don't think Nvidia will be dropping their prices. Firstly it will be ages before you can buy one of these cards at anything closely resembling the RRP and secondly Nvidia will not change their 70%. They can't, because of the share holders.
What I am 99% will happen is they will replace their entire current lineup with a new one in order to keep their prices where they are.
So don't be expecting bargain RTX any time soon, unless you buy a 30 series card.
Also, these are not the cards people buy. I'm more interested to see the 7 and 8 cards. Because if the main die is much smaller yet it keeps those cheap AF chiplets around it they could be very cheap.
Overall though I'm quite pleased. The only thing I am concerned about is the I word. Interposer. They've long been problematic for AMD.
KingNosser
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I don't feel these are looking to have a fight with the 4090, but more the 4080/70 cards hence the price, but I do think it's a good first look and that is all it is we need reviews.
I agree that watching the presentation at times was cringing.
I find FSR to be decent it depends more on the game your playing in some it works really well in others not so well, but I do like RSR that i find works better from my experience.
Hard to say exaclty how these perform as the 1.5x 1.7x is guess work i'd have prefered actual footage and numbers, but overall it does seem to be a decent jump.
Least the prices are more reasonable which means little change in the stack or prices so the lower end cards should similar prices but i doubt we'll see them until the new year.
for me it's wait another gen or 2 I'd like FSR3 to work but i'm doubtfull it will on 6k series.
The hyper X has me intrested but yet again idk if it'll work on 6k or if any of these new bells and whistles are just software improvements.
until we get reviews we have little to go on other than price and the simple fact the cards are a normal size not south park cartman jobs like nvidias LUL
I agree that watching the presentation at times was cringing.
I find FSR to be decent it depends more on the game your playing in some it works really well in others not so well, but I do like RSR that i find works better from my experience.
Hard to say exaclty how these perform as the 1.5x 1.7x is guess work i'd have prefered actual footage and numbers, but overall it does seem to be a decent jump.
Least the prices are more reasonable which means little change in the stack or prices so the lower end cards should similar prices but i doubt we'll see them until the new year.
for me it's wait another gen or 2 I'd like FSR3 to work but i'm doubtfull it will on 6k series.
The hyper X has me intrested but yet again idk if it'll work on 6k or if any of these new bells and whistles are just software improvements.
until we get reviews we have little to go on other than price and the simple fact the cards are a normal size not south park cartman jobs like nvidias LUL
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AlienALX
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I'm annoyed they made you sit through all of the crapwaffle to see the price. Last time Lisa said it when she pulled the cards out.
I'm not interested in 8k, 4k, or FSR. However, I do expect this to perform as well as the 4090. The 4090 is nowhere close to what Lovelace has to offer. TBH? all of the cards Jen launched were just placeholders. Because they had to wait for AMD to see what they should actually do, so were only appeasing the shareholders. I would strongly imagine any one who rushed out to buy a 4090 will soon be very upset because here comes the 4090Ti.
Nothing AMD said there interested me whatsoever. Apart from the prices. It means the 70 and 80 should be around £700 or so. Which IMO is very good.
But aye, will wait to see what the actual real 1440p performance is like. One of my rigs needs either a change or upgrade, so we will see.
I'm not interested in 8k, 4k, or FSR. However, I do expect this to perform as well as the 4090. The 4090 is nowhere close to what Lovelace has to offer. TBH? all of the cards Jen launched were just placeholders. Because they had to wait for AMD to see what they should actually do, so were only appeasing the shareholders. I would strongly imagine any one who rushed out to buy a 4090 will soon be very upset because here comes the 4090Ti.
Nothing AMD said there interested me whatsoever. Apart from the prices. It means the 70 and 80 should be around £700 or so. Which IMO is very good.
But aye, will wait to see what the actual real 1440p performance is like. One of my rigs needs either a change or upgrade, so we will see.
KingNosser
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Hard to say exactly where these will sit but my feeling is there is a reason for the difference in price be it being fairer or simply lower DXR performance there is always a reason, but i do feel that it's more aimed at the 80/70 class cards otherwise i'd have expected it to be more towards the 1200 mark afterall nvidia bumped up the prices amd dont seem to have done that.
the events are always full of pointless guff even all the gaming shows make me mad all we want is the facts on things not pointless marketing rubbish
the events are always full of pointless guff even all the gaming shows make me mad all we want is the facts on things not pointless marketing rubbish
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AlienALX
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DXR has absolutely nothing to do with it dude. They are cheaper because of how they are made. The "main" core is smaller than Nvidia, meaning it is cheaper than a monolithic core. The small ones around the outside? cheap AF. They are tiny, the yields will be enormous, and they are not 5nm wafer. They are 6nm, which will be cheaper now than ever before.
Wafers get exponentially more expensive the lower the node goes. Higher node wafers are much cheaper than lower.
It's very clever. TBH? by far the most exciting part of RDNA3. Because it brings the price down. Had they done another monolithic like RNDA2? you would have been paying Nvidia prices. Because that is why Nvidia prices are Nvidia prices. Because monolithic dies cost a fortune to make, because most of them are defective.
It's genius. And, I fully expect Nvidia to totally copy them going forward. Intel have already copied Ryzen somewhat, and will do moreso going forward.
Like I already said, the only thing worrying me is the interposer. These are notoriously flaky, and if it dies? so does your GPU. And those interposers absolutely HATE being overclocked and will pop if you do. Hence why Fury/Vega were total crap for overclocking, and it was veeeery easy to kill one if you did.
That may also be why the main core is clocked faster than the surrounding chips.
BTW a buddy of mine crunched some numbers earlier, and from the look of it? in raster the XTX will be 97% as fast as a 4090. For over 30% less cost.
Wafers get exponentially more expensive the lower the node goes. Higher node wafers are much cheaper than lower.
It's very clever. TBH? by far the most exciting part of RDNA3. Because it brings the price down. Had they done another monolithic like RNDA2? you would have been paying Nvidia prices. Because that is why Nvidia prices are Nvidia prices. Because monolithic dies cost a fortune to make, because most of them are defective.
It's genius. And, I fully expect Nvidia to totally copy them going forward. Intel have already copied Ryzen somewhat, and will do moreso going forward.
Like I already said, the only thing worrying me is the interposer. These are notoriously flaky, and if it dies? so does your GPU. And those interposers absolutely HATE being overclocked and will pop if you do. Hence why Fury/Vega were total crap for overclocking, and it was veeeery easy to kill one if you did.
That may also be why the main core is clocked faster than the surrounding chips.
BTW a buddy of mine crunched some numbers earlier, and from the look of it? in raster the XTX will be 97% as fast as a 4090. For over 30% less cost.
KingNosser
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Oh i get the cost issue, but they didnt bump the price on performance value.
Idk until i see reviews exactly where they sit but i expect xtx to be close, the DXR should be decent ok it wont match but it's good enough i feel with these.
I'll still wait a gen or 2 my 6800xt has some life yet.
I doubt nvidia will lower prices tbh least not yet, but they may rethink there mid range.
being honest overclocking i'd not expect huge gains tbh but it depends more on AIB models as to what will clock higher there must be a general limit on power. even my 6800XT OC'd doesn't boost much in port royal sure it's higher but not enough to worry about it.
If i had extra sure i'd get one but atm i have a girl friend to put through college had issues the last two weeks oh it can be stressful, but there need to work on me and her.
I think where AMD get it right this time is they are slim normal size and so SFF builds will want these and generally lower power and size means a lot more cases with far less issues.
Nvidia will have to go multichip they have no choice be it cost or performance as come rdna4 they will get trounced if they dont but nvidia i'm sure will still sell plenty, but i expect some will already regret their choice, cause the difference in price is big enough that the slight edge isnt worth the cost.
overclocking wise so long as they have the right tools then it can be done without any real issues, my 6800xt go's 2550>2650 just cant break 10k on port royal not even with the 5800x i think it's cause i use 4 dimms it's hurting it slightly but a good amount of ram at times can be useful for things other than gaming.
FSR3 only intrests me for a few games where DXR is under 60 would just smooth it out more, it's the Hyper X that intrests me more depending on what it's actually doing hopefully it'll be 6k series able then i can at least test it out.
I think the key thing is the size of the cards they are literally half the size of the 4090 it seems being 2.5 slot maybe aibs will be 3slot but still vastly more resonable
Idk until i see reviews exactly where they sit but i expect xtx to be close, the DXR should be decent ok it wont match but it's good enough i feel with these.
I'll still wait a gen or 2 my 6800xt has some life yet.
I doubt nvidia will lower prices tbh least not yet, but they may rethink there mid range.
being honest overclocking i'd not expect huge gains tbh but it depends more on AIB models as to what will clock higher there must be a general limit on power. even my 6800XT OC'd doesn't boost much in port royal sure it's higher but not enough to worry about it.
If i had extra sure i'd get one but atm i have a girl friend to put through college had issues the last two weeks oh it can be stressful, but there need to work on me and her.
I think where AMD get it right this time is they are slim normal size and so SFF builds will want these and generally lower power and size means a lot more cases with far less issues.
Nvidia will have to go multichip they have no choice be it cost or performance as come rdna4 they will get trounced if they dont but nvidia i'm sure will still sell plenty, but i expect some will already regret their choice, cause the difference in price is big enough that the slight edge isnt worth the cost.
overclocking wise so long as they have the right tools then it can be done without any real issues, my 6800xt go's 2550>2650 just cant break 10k on port royal not even with the 5800x i think it's cause i use 4 dimms it's hurting it slightly but a good amount of ram at times can be useful for things other than gaming.
FSR3 only intrests me for a few games where DXR is under 60 would just smooth it out more, it's the Hyper X that intrests me more depending on what it's actually doing hopefully it'll be 6k series able then i can at least test it out.
I think the key thing is the size of the cards they are literally half the size of the 4090 it seems being 2.5 slot maybe aibs will be 3slot but still vastly more resonable
