Video, Multimedia, some Gaming System rig planning

[jetguat]

Been picking up prebuilt system since early 90's now. Probably could build my own, and I know now there are thousands out there to help me, but honestly, I would rather put my time elsewhere, and I dont mind paying a small premium to have it build. Thinking about using ironsidescomputers.

I had been planning on 3770k, but enough time has passed that 4770k is available.

I'm not a heavy gamer, but would like to on occasion. I do plan to do lots of video transcoding, editing, to make home movies from older pictures and movie. So in my mind CPU processing power is perhaps more important that GPU. That said. I've been thinking gigabyte gtx 670 OC, though I see there are newer versions now. I've been told for my needs SLI would be a waste of money. As would going over 16GB of RAM. Was considering boards above the GTX 670, but seems to accept advice it would more than suite my needs, and the price difference for 680 isnt worth it.

is the 4770k worth the extra cost over the 3770k? I dont upgrade computers to often, I tend to use them until they can barely function anymore.


Basic system concept.

3770k (or 4770k)
16GB RAM
256GB SSD
GTX 670? 770?
BluRay R/W (I need to burn my video content onto blu ray to share)
Power supply ?? 650w? 750w?
Case? had been thinking Corsair 500R. Dont like the plastic look on nzxt,
but really like having a window.

Price range about $2k+

 

[Arabicuser]

Well, i am sure many will tell you to save budget and don't go with overkill components, so now it is up to you if you want to save or you just lik to have whatever and don't see much points in saving.

I will go with 4770K over 3770K, but then you have to choose carefully which board, also you need a better cooling because i heard that those new Haswell CPUs are heating a lot more than 3rd generations of Intel CPUs.

Many will say for gaming 8Gb is enough and 16GB is more than enough or sometimes overkill, well, what you will lose if you go with 16GB over 8Gb anyway, oneday you will see that 16Gb as a must necessary as a must, so bette getting it now than later.

GTX? 770 without thinking, but if you can afford it then 780.

PSU, 750W will be more than enough, you may not sure when you will be at around 500-600W and when you may go higher than that, so 750W is just right, it is not low to about 600W so you can be in safe if you OC or add something little more components, also it is not so overkill PSU such as 1000W+

Forget about the blu-ray now, this can be added later anytime, Pioneer and Lite-On are good ones, LG also has something good as BD burner.

Case? i am not good in this, it is more about taste or preferences, say subjective, but make sure it has good room space and better AirFlow system


Good luck!

 

[Spiderz]

I'd think that even a 650W PSU would be more than enough to power it so long as you get a good one.

Case is dependant on your motherboard size. Staying with corsair if you go with an MATX one the 350D is similar pricing to the 500R and you might like the looks of it. Others to consider are Fractal Design and if they are about, the Nanoxia one got a good write up from Tom as well.

GPU- Wouldn't consider the GTX 670, would look instead at the GTX 770 if it were an NVIDIA one. At that range onl the 7970 from AMD is going to get close really.

CPU- 4770K all day long. Not much of a price difference (on a 2k budget it is nearly insignificant) and it isn't a dead platform so you could throw in a broadwell CPU if you so desired but I get the impression you won't.

Had any thoughts about how you will cool the CPU? Air heatsink or an AIO like the H100? Might change what you get advised regarding the case.

 

[jetguat]

Well, i am sure many will tell you to save budget and don't go with overkill components, so now it is up to you if you want to save or you just lik to have whatever and don't see much points in saving.

I've gotten lots of prior comments about skimping and pinching penny's. I dont want to throw money away, but $50 here or a $100 isnt gonna break me, and since i keep my systems running for awhile. I am ok with getting more than I need now, thinking it will last a bit longer.

I will go with 4770K over 3770K, but then you have to choose carefully which board, also you need a better cooling because i heard that those new Haswell CPUs are heating a lot more than 3rd generations of Intel CPUs.

Read about the extra heat. I'm really a really green Noob about heating/cooling. But get confused but all the data. Like the look of the Corsair 500R and the white 600T, but since you can't turn the LEDs I thought 500R. Not sure what CPU cooler would be reasonable. I might setup for some moderate OC, but it would possibly be a set it and leave it kinda thing during heavier transcoding sessions (assuming I judged it was helping).

GTX? 770 without thinking, but if you can afford it then 780.

Not read much at all about 780, not even 770 even. Like what I read about the windforce gigabytes with their cooling. though still.. not sure if I'm looking into data that doesnt really apply to me.

Good luck!

Thanks!

 

[jetguat]

I'd think that even a 650W PSU would be more than enough to power it so long as you get a good one.

What would consider "good" without overkill? A Bronze? Silver? Gold? With a decent case how much value is modular if the cables are hidden behind MOBO anyway?

Case is dependant on your motherboard size. Staying with corsair if you go with an MATX one the 350D is similar pricing to the 500R and you might like the looks of it. Others to consider are Fractal Design and if they are about, the Nanoxia one got a good write up from Tom as well.

Was thinking ATX I guess. Probably because it will have more USB on it. wouldnt a 350D run hot with all that stuff crammed in it? Nice little case though when I look briefly at it.

GPU- Wouldn't consider the GTX 670, would look instead at the GTX 770 if it were an NVIDIA one. At that range onl the 7970 from AMD is going to get close really.

NVIDIA versus EVGA or Gigabyte? from a laymans view I talked myself into liking the windforce OC gigabtyes 670 (hear they have a 770 also).

CPU- 4770K all day long. Not much of a price difference (on a 2k budget it is nearly insignificant) and it isn't a dead platform so you could throw in a broadwell CPU if you so desired but I get the impression you won't.

Noob here. I'll admit I dont know what a broadwell CPU is. Something coming after the Haswell?

Had any thoughts about how you will cool the CPU? Air heatsink or an AIO like the H100? Might change what you get advised regarding the case.

That was the primary reason for joining this forum. Since I was considering the 4770k and read some stuff about the heating. It got me thinking. So again.. was thinking about using ironsides to piece my system together. They include for free a Asetek 550LC. I'm unsure over how hot the system would run normally or if my load on it would need heavy cooling. if the cooling wasnt sufficient what happens? Does OC need to be manually toned down (noob again). Thought trying the free asetek 500lc.. but read about the H100i (didnt read much about H100 but most be similar). Know many like NH-D14, but that sorta depends on the case and I'm trying to stay in a mid-tower and would surely rule out the MATX sized 350D. So heating/cooling are things I dont know how to help myself on. Maybe the cheesy 550LC would be ok in a case with an extra fan or two added. really really dont know enough about how to decide this..

 

[Spiderz]

A good one is one by a good quality brand. Likes of the Corsair ones, Seasonic, XFX ones. Bronze, Silver,Gold or patinum depends on just how much you want to spend on one but better getting a Silver by a good brand than a Platinum rated one by a crap brand. If you can, go for a modular one too for ease of tidying and plenty of support around here for Seasonic X series and Corsair AX series but these are top of the range PSUs. The true value of the modular ones is that you can only use the cables you need and can leave out ones you don't instead of having them permanently attached which means you have to hide them away.

350D won't run much hotter than the 500R if both are cooled in a similar fashion. Might be a few degrees in it but nothing to really worry about if I remember things correctly. Main difference is size, motherboard compatibility (mATX vs ATX) and styling. Chose the one you prefer the look of but I prefer the 350D with the obsidian styling and the great big window on it. Of course there are others out there.

Both EVGA and Gigabyte make cards based around NVIDIA's GTX 770 chipset. A gigabyte 770 and an EVGA 770 would be based around the same GPU chip with some subtle differences in the factory overclocks. The gigabyte one is pretty good if I remember right. EVGA do come highly recommended by a lot of forum users from what I've seen for RMA and warranty reasons and their coolers are pretty good too.

Broadwell is the step after Haswell from Intel and will most likely be compatible with current socket 1150 motherboards and the z87 motherboard chipset.

For cooling an air heatsink like the HD-D14 would be fine and pretty sure it fits in some mATX cases. Not sure on what the Asetek 550LC is but a Google of the pictures has me thinking it is from the same OEM as the H60. Would cool fairly well but if you wanted to keep things quiet I don't think it would give a lot of overhead for overclocking and at that stage you would be better with the H100. If you get it included with the build by ironsides though I wouldn't say no to it and it would save you a bit of cash. If you aren't going to run much over stock settings then the Asetek should be ok but a more in-the-know overclocker will be able to answer that.

Problem with many air heatsinks is RAM clearance, something the AIO coolers like the H100 and the Asetek won't have. They are also arguable nicer to look at if you have a big window on the side of the case.


Suppose the best question out of all this is - what motherboards and cases have you looked at and what ones did you like the most?

 

[jetguat]

Suppose the best question out of all this is - what motherboards and cases have you looked at and what ones did you like the most?

Great info. And I'm watching the OC3D review of the 350D. its growing on me. For MOBO I was looking at ASUS P8Z77-V trying to decided/justify the deluxe. I like to dual wifi which saves me for having another external box. But its possibly overkill and the P8Z77-V might be ok. Never read to much on ASRock Extreme4, but prior comments suggested the Asus is generally better.

With a MATX and staying with ASUS for 4770k options seem to only be Z87M-Plus or Maximus VI Gene. Dont know anything about them release.

So. 3700k or 4770k and the Corsair 500R or 350D (w/window)

 

[Spiderz]

Could throw the Gigabyte z87(M)-D3H in there too and run a PCI WiFi card in there if you really want WiFi. I've got it as Powerline adapters don't work in my room due to weird plug arrangements. The Vi Gene seems to be pretty good and the g1 M5 Sniper is possible if you like the green.

The ATX motherboards you mentioned (P8Z77 ones) won't work with an i7-4770K as they are the wrong socket and you would need the Z87 variations. I'd stick to the 4770k and z87 stuff, not much of a price difference and clock for clock the 4770k wins out.