Valve Brands Metro's Exodus From Steam "Unfair"
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I would not say most Windows desktop apps are HTML5 based, and Steam uses VGUI.
Regardless, GUIs pretty much always have a hefty layer of abstraction between them, object orientated programming is more or less a requirement to do it neatly which is a very basic level of abstraction in itself (Albeit abstract enough to remove your ability to accurately track clock cycles from instructions & such), while most UIs will be built on top of an existing framework to simplify development, debugging & avoid repeated work, any desktop environment/full OS in itself has existing elements for window composition and such, though VGUI bypassed much of Windows built in functionality.
HTML5 over webkit should be a big step forward from VGUI, as nowadays it's a very well optimised form of abstraction, with support for various forms of hardware acceleration, which is one thing abstraction can make a lot easier, even if the memory use comes in a higher.
An excess of UI clutter & social elements are generally developers largest criticisms of the Steam store, & Epic store was basically built around research from Steam spy(The director of the store used to run Steam spy) that people wanted less on their launcher rather than more, as well as much more curation for the games with Steam becoming a bit of a mess in the greenlight era. Whether or not Steam will double down on improving its existing features allowing them & Epic to offer alternative experiences or if they'll heed the research and move more towards the style of other software stores is an unknown I think.
HTML5 over webkit should be a big step forward from VGUI, as nowadays it's a very well optimised form of abstraction, with support for various forms of hardware acceleration, which is one thing abstraction can make a lot easier, even if the memory use comes in a higher.
An excess of UI clutter & social elements are generally developers largest criticisms of the Steam store, & Epic store was basically built around research from Steam spy(The director of the store used to run Steam spy) that people wanted less on their launcher rather than more, as well as much more curation for the games with Steam becoming a bit of a mess in the greenlight era. Whether or not Steam will double down on improving its existing features allowing them & Epic to offer alternative experiences or if they'll heed the research and move more towards the style of other software stores is an unknown I think.
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https://kotaku.com/after-epic-store-deal-steam-users-review-bomb-metro-ga-1832209151
Good work gaming community, ruin a genuinely good game's review rating because you're too lazy and self-entitled to install another launcher and give back to the devs that probably slaved more hours over that game then you have in your entire lifetime. How about you kill the games industry and have no games to install on ANY launcher. /rant.
Good work gaming community, ruin a genuinely good game's review rating because you're too lazy and self-entitled to install another launcher and give back to the devs that probably slaved more hours over that game then you have in your entire lifetime. How about you kill the games industry and have no games to install on ANY launcher. /rant.
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I feel like that's true regarding any community
While I agree review bombing the other Metro games is just uncalled for, one that popped up on the front of 2033 Redux caught my eye:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/mightykwon/recommended/286690/
Now, I don't know how much of this is true but there are a bunch of red flags there and if they are true. Hell no would I use that. But at the same time, if they want to make such a case, they should have backed it all up with evidence rather than just saying "just google it"
This is what happens when your community is predominantly made up of 14 year olds & basement dwellers who's view on economics & society is built around the assumption everyone else is as much of a pr*ck as they are, essentially young detached "libertarians". They act like entitled little tw*ts because our society is built around profit, and they hold absolutely no shame in stealing from artists because they justify it to themselves morally by claiming artists should bend to their every whim, and are doomed if not, because muh capitalism. When the uneducated philistines of an artistic industry control what it creates and does, you get something resembling Hollywood. Many of these people want gaming to be treated seriously as an art form, yet they then no only continue to let it be treated as a for-profit dog by a couple of multi-billion dollar players but actively encourage it. Capitalism/for-profit companies cheapen art, and always has done.
But yeah, rarely do you see people up in arms about Steam exclusivity, despite all the DRM rubbish that comes with it, it's pretty blatant this isn't about exclusivity but about the inconvenience of installing something through a different launcher than the one they've sold their soul too.
But yeah, rarely do you see people up in arms about Steam exclusivity, despite all the DRM rubbish that comes with it, it's pretty blatant this isn't about exclusivity but about the inconvenience of installing something through a different launcher than the one they've sold their soul too.
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I mean even if all that is true, email Epic about, you can even tweet to the CEO and there's a high chance he'll reply. The way they've gone about it is out of order.
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The first is a lie(No 80 million breach), the second is built on the fact their customer service has had loads of bad reviews over the last 48 hours on trust sites(Hmm wonder why), the third is true for almost every online store, including Steam depending on region(I have to pay more in Malta than here), the fourth is a lie, the fifth is a feature, no screenshots, maybe??? but your GPU drivers can do that lol, the 7th is a lie, the eighth, breaking EU laws is based on misinformation, scummy tactics (opting out of adverts) is something Steam does, they're partially owned by a Chinese company is true but operate completely autonomously from them with no sharing of data or resources, achievements & cloud saves arrive this month, no game forums is a feature imo, and the rest is stuff Steam does too, except reviews & linux support, which are two things Steam does do, but as that post demonstrates, absolutely horrifically.
So yeah, it's just blatant misinformation.
I mean, half the argument is basically that Epic is a big anti-consumer capitalist company, while writing it on a platform that has had a decade of legal battles over its anti-consumer bullsh*t. The argument in favour of Valve basically seems to be that it's okay that they're a multi-billion dollar company not operating in their interests because they've always been inept from the start.
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AlienALX
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lmao it reminds me of the L4D2 boycott. Where every one said they were going to boycott it, then bought it any way.
One thing people clearly lack these days is self control. It's all a part of being spoilt. Not even having the backbone to actually back up and do what you say you will do.
I got screwed by Scan once. Note the once part. I've not bought a stick of gum from them since.
Awesome. That means I will get the same, even though the Epic key is more expensive. Thanks for posting that, I just haven't had time to contact CDKeys.
One thing people clearly lack these days is self control. It's all a part of being spoilt. Not even having the backbone to actually back up and do what you say you will do.
I got screwed by Scan once. Note the once part. I've not bought a stick of gum from them since.
Awesome. That means I will get the same, even though the Epic key is more expensive. Thanks for posting that, I just haven't had time to contact CDKeys.
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Remember Modern Warfare 2, everyone and their mum was gonna boycott the game because no dedicated servers, and then everyone did play it.
I'm still boycotting Creative for releasing intentionally crippled drivers back in the day, sticking to my guns
