Under water power generation

a few problems

1) under current are not that predictable

2) isnt wave power much better at generating a suitable source (as proved back in the 80's) with the wave system that was produced and developed here in the uk

3) Dam's allso provide water power all ready

4) Tide power - tide move in move a impella, Tide goes out reverses the impella.

personally don't think any thing like this would work due to the cost of the system to be put in place would cost more than the amount of power it would make there for is a uneconomical viable option.

wave power on the other hand isnt hard to find and you wouldn't need to keep moving the system around to find a sustainable sauce.

just some thing for you to think about how ever well done ...
 
Umm you should do more research I think before you talk about a few problems lol...

1) Ocean currents is one of the most predictable of all...Ever hear of Iceberg lanes...Ya they come to the same places every spring...why? Because the current that takes them never change.

2)No...wave power isnt anywhere near efficient as this. try googling Clean current..have a look. This type of power is far more efficient then wind or solar.

3)Dams do provide this type of power, but building a dam ontop of the expense of throwing in turbines is a little much, churchill falls project here in NL canada use this method.

4)Tide is also another method but no where near as constant output as an under water turbine.

UK is currently the leader in this department...scotland, finland GB have a few running in some of there currents and well this output far exceeds anything a wind power turbine can generate. Deep oil well drilling wasnt pheasible 15 years ago, just like under water power gen is not completely pheasible right now. 10-15 years time your gonna see alot of these powering our homes and more. Its not a guess, its a fact. In the meantime do some research and google it up. But thanks for the comments :) That site Clean currents is pretty good, they explain alot and my methodology here with this build more or less reflects what the whole idea behind it is :) I can build something serious that will work in the ocean but i dont have the million bucks it would take to build it lol...
 
shows how out of date i am in this info lol. that why you lot learn the new hear. Ill have a sceg though it some time when i get the chance. (hand bissy atm0. but thks for the info :).

Any like i say well done and good look with you project.
 
Very nice idea there! Nice to see it working in action too. I'm pretty sure that as renewable energy goes, this is the most efficient form. Wind is more accessible but the energy generated is never enough. I've always toyed with the idea of a perpetual heating energy creating peltier effect machine (LOL). Maybe one day I will get to build one!
 
Turbines dont spin to well with thick solids flowing through them :P not to mention other garbage :P

But New york city has two of them in their river and they are working very well atm.
 
No method mentioned can physically generate enough power to meet the world's energy demands now, or in the future. If we want to get rid of our dependence on coal, oil and gas we must invest in solar power. Current methods are inefficient, though there are many promising technologies that increase efficiency and may make it the best option. These need money for funding, and methods of storage are also problematic at the time being, again, more research needs to be funded in these areas as there is lots of potential (no pun intended!).

My belief is that we should turn to nuclear power for now, until we have developed solar power to be efficient enough to meet our demands and capable of storing energy in an efficient way also. Nuclear power isn't sustainable, but it is, on the whole, cleaner.
 
I agree ^

Nuclear is one of the cleanest atm as long as its dealt with properly and nothin goes wrong

But yeh, solar panels on every roof seems a good future - i think they look quite nice
 
I did my Dissertation on alternate energy. Here are some extracts:

Aims of the project

By 2020 the UK government has agreed to produce 20% of UK energy usage from renewable energy sources. If the UK are to solely use wind power to meet the EU Renewables Objective, then two wind turbines will have to be erected every day until 2020i.Can you image that happening?

This thesis looks into the various renewable energy sources that can be implemented on a small scale to generate enough energy to power the 4000 student accommodation for ‘The Bay’ development proposed by Swansea University.

Climate change

Climate change is a result of the greenhouse effect that has been accelerated through human activities, particularly burning oil and coal. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a naturally occurring molecule in the atmosphere that along with the other greenhouse gases (GHG) retain the sun’s heat. The increased production of CO2 enhances the effect of climate change, which results in increased temperatures and a heightened risk of extreme weather.

The threat of extreme weather hitting the UK can be daunting as storms and hurricanes will become more frequent damaging property, infrastructure and crops. Estimated cost of major climate-related natural disasters is $200 bni indicating that as a result of our impact on climate change, we are making people more vulnerable to weather related natural disasters. Most governments are taking steps to combat climate change. International initiatives have been introduced, including the Kyoto Protocol, which was brought into action in February 2005 and which sets national legally binding targets to reduce the production of GHG emissions. All developed countries have agreed to reduce GHG emissions by 5.2% below 1990 levels in the period 2008-12.ii The UK took a target of 12.5% reduction by 2012.6

The key to reduce GHG emissions is to minimise the amount of energy consumption by changing our way of life. The main contributor to climate change is energy production for the national grid through combustion of fossil fuels, which releases vast quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. Spurred on by diminishing reserves of carbon-based fossil fuels, spiralling fuel prices and potential blackouts through political ransom, the government is striving to obtain eco-friendly energy sources that can power the UK for years to come.

According to the Energy White Paper, current nuclear developments are seen to be economically unattractive; there are still ongoing issues of disposing of the nuclear waste that was created a century ago.i

Tidal stream generators

Generally the maximum power of the tide can be harnessed with a small number of turbines if restriction to flow it taken into account. In respect to the drag caused by addition turbines, one would think that adding further turbines to that channel will increase the amount of energy harnessed. This is far from reality as adding too many turbines can decrease the current flow to such an extent that the energy harnessed is reduced.

The maximum power obtainable can be achieved with few turbines, as allowances must be made for the reduction of flow due to the drag of the turbine retaining structures.

Due to the capacity of tidal barrages and lagoons being too great for Swansea University’s relatively small development, I will look into tidal stream generators, as the energy generation is predictable and dependable. Tidal stream turbines need a mean maximum surface velocity at spring tide of about 5 knots (2.5 m/s) or more in order to collect enough energy to be cost-effective, as well as sufficient water depth, preferably 20 to 30 m. 50 miles out from Swansea the water can have depths of 25 m and the spring tide current can be up to 2 m/s as shown in Appendix E.

The SeaGen turbine that I am investigating has technology that is the most advanced in the world, by a significant margin, but it is still at the prototype testing stage in Strangford Narrows. *Future projects probably need to involve arrays of multiple turbines to obtain economies of scale. SeaGen costs, very roughly, are at present £4 - £5 million per megawatt installed depending on project size. Costs are expected to halve by the time 100 or 200 MW of systems have been manufactured and installed.i *Connecting to the grid varies in cost but an estimated figure is at least £1m per km. There are two problems with tidal stream generation in a Swansea area. First the current velocity is less than 2.5 m/s, and because energy is proportional to the cube of the velocity the difference for example between 2.0 and 2.5 m/s is 25% in velocity terms but 95% in terms of energy capture. *In other words a site with 2.5 m/s gets 95% more energy than one at 2 m/s. 3 m/s that can be found off Anglesey represents 330% of the energy at 2 m/s.

The Severn Estuary and Barrage site does not have locations with sufficiently fast currents to make a project with tidal stream technology attractive.

Also, it is unlikely to be worth installing less than about 10 MW worth of turbines in any project because of the high fixed overheads. A 10 MW project at present will cost in the region of £40 million.

Figure 15: Typical variation in output from tidal stream power due to spring-neap cycle

The magnitude of the tidal stream resource (which combines with wind effects to produce currents) varies sinusoidally, with the highest speeds occurring at mid ebb or mid flood, and with speeds approaching zero at the turn of the tide.ii There is also a very large difference between average power outputs during spring versus neap tides, as shown in Figure 15.

Tidal stream (turbine) generators can extract a significant proportion of the power that tidal barrages can produce, but with far less environmental impact. One of the main problems with the proposed Severn barrage is the environmental impact that it will create, including flooding and drying areas such as the tidal mudflats which are home to many rare protected birds.

The use of tidal turbine power generators enables significant power extraction without the implications that arise from large unsightly barrages.

Adding more turbines would increase the power if the tidal current were unaffected. But inevitably an increase in turbines brings an increase in the restriction to tidal flow. More power is available if the channel is long, with a large head (tidal range).

There are basically three options for generating power from tides:

1.exploiting large tidal range in a bay;

2.large tidal range in an estuary with a barrage;

3.strong tidal currents in a channel.

With respect to the River Severn’s estuary there is a small tidal head with strong currents. The energy produced is greatly affected by the flow rate and less on the head. Therefore having too many turbines will have a large detrimental effect on the amount of energy that can be harnessed from the tide due to the drag caused by the turbine supporting structures as shown in Figure 16.

Figure 16: Tidal flow fence diagram

Swansea has a large tidal range; the Bristol Channel has the second largest tidal range in the world9. The current is insufficient to generate adequate power to make installation of a tidal current turbine economically viable.

Aside from tidal current energy generation, the tidal range can be exploited through the use of ‘Tidal lagoons’. Tidal lagoons and tidal barrages still remain an untapped resource that could produce 20% of the UK’s electricity demand within 15 years.iii

Tidal lagoons consist of a ring of rock built up into walls to capture the tides water at high tide. As the tide leaves, the hydroelectric turbines begin to produce energy through the release of the contained seawater. Unlike tidal current and wave technologies that are in their infancy, lagoon solutions have technology available for commercial installation. The main benefit of tidal renewable energy generation is the predictability of electricity production. Tidal lagoons have the ability to release the stored seawater at a required rate depending on energy demand. Knowing the tide timing allows exact electricity production from base load power stations to backup tidal energy production short-fall optimising efficiency over base load support for wind power generation. For example, the unpredictability of wind power insists that the coal or gas fired power stations continually alter production, which is far from efficient. Lagoons can produce energy on the incoming tide as well as the outgoing whereas tidal barrages only generate energy on the ebb tide due to silting.9

Swansea Bay has a mean tidal range of 7 m,iv which makes the bay an excellent location for a tidal lagoon as the Severn Estuary has a cross-section sufficient enough to prevent disturbance of shipping lanes.

The cost of a tidal lagoon is great; installations costs are high due to the many tonnes of material needed. There is a proposed tidal lagoon for Swansea Bay with an expected capacity of 60 MW.v

The UK has a considerable tidal power resource that could be exploited to produce renewable electricity with an output equal to around 10% of UK electricity supply. This illustrates the importance of considering all the options for exploiting this resource. The UK is in a unique position, with a superior tidal stream resource combined with the largest collection of devices being developed or tested anywhere in the world. This UK success story is the product of a number of factors, but the strong leadership shown by the UK Government and the Scottish Government in providing support for marine renewables since 1999 is also an important factor.
 
I am still yet to see some real evidence showing me that climate change is a real thing and not just the increase in hotspots on the sun and solar flares. Or the fact that the magnetic poles are in the process of swapping, which decreases the electromagnetic field around the earth. But that's just what I think!

Thanks for the stuff there to read clocked, it makes for very good reading! :D
 
The issue isn't necessarily climate change! It may or may not be important (though the general consensus is that it is), and whether we can do anything about it is another issue, but it's more about sustainability.

Fossil fuels aren't a sustainable source of energy, they are a finite resource. So before anyone starts saying climate change isn't happening and whatnot, even if you believe that there is still great importance in switching our energy generation to a better long-term solution. The gains to air quality and environmental sustainability are a major driving force, but less than out of the necessity of driving our everyday lives with the energy we require.
 
Changing the way we get our energy is the main factor I think, it's one of the things that people seem to forget about with this general election looming. Britain really doesn't have another option at the moment, something major needs to be done very soon. This current power could be part of a larger solution.
 
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