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blaindev

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Just wanting a little advice from those in the know.....

New build is pretty much decided (apart from GPU) in terms of Case (XL shinobi), liquid cooling (XSPC raystorm CPU waterblock, XSPC dual bay res/pump, alphacool 45mm rad in 3x120 (so 360mm) cooled in push pull probs with bitfenix spectres) PSU (TX850M by corsair) and I have an SSD and raid 1 array 3.5" drives, so that leaves the mobo and CPU to decide upon........

budget for the lot is around 500 quid, so not too shabby, but wont afford a 3930k or 3960x, which leaves me 3 possible outs

either wait for ivybridge (not buying for another month due to uni exams)

buy a 3820 on 2011 socket and get a Gigabyte UD3 (going green and black, so must be black PCB with no other colours apart from green)

or get a 2600k and get a g1 sniper on 1155 socket

help anyone?!
 
ib is good for the next 3 years and sbe is good for the next five years till they do so thing new i would go with ib and save some money an less you are doing a lot with video and that sort of thing in which case i'd go with sbe, hope this is of some help to you
 
apparently there have been heat issues with IB

afterall IB is only die-shrunk SB

only time will tell

i would wait for some proper benches and wider tests before going IB
 
Wait for the IB review's before you jump onboard... As Dug says they have been rumored to run hotter..

Better to be safe than sorry or even wait out for the second revision, especially if your gonna be overclocking......
 
Well he is going to use custom water cooling. If IB doesn't run on that then Intel have made the biggest 'mess' up ever. That would be worse than BD, which you can atleast turn on without burning your house down with (even if it isn't as powerful). Still worth waiting for benches but I doubt it will be that bad.

What do you use this rig for? Just gaming?

I think platform choice is more dependant on features than performance since IB will probably perform *slightly* better than SB for a bit more money after you take into account the better performance per clock, but lower clock because of heat.

Firstly you need to decide on which gpu you want. This will decide on the platform based on pcie bandwidth.

If you choose pcie2 cards in a single or dual setup or a single pcie3 card go z68/2500k.

If you choose pcie3 in dual setup (or want to get this down the line) then go z77/3570k.

If you want 3 or more pcie3 cards go 2011/sbe.

Check out plenty of reviews to see where you want your rig to sit gpu performance/price wise then pick the platform you need to support it.

Rest of your kit looks good.
 
Well a G1 sniper MB with an I5 2500k will set you back around the £400 / £450 mark with the MB being around £290 after a bit of looking. that goes up to about £510 with an I7 2600k, both of which will over clock happily especially with that water cooling kit. the i7 3820 isn't unlocked so as far as i know you can't overclock it.

now others may disagree but for your budget and saying you want water cooling i'd go for an i5 2500k (£159.30 @ amazon) or 2550k (£177.77) with an Asus P8Z68-V PRO (£138.99) or the Asus P8Z68-V Deluxe (£186.98) all of those prices are from amazon.co.uk so you might be able to find cheaper i don't know. But either way with those you can get a pretty decent sytem on a budget. hope this helps.
 
Actually the 3820 will overclock quite nicely to 4.3 to 4.8. You do have to use a slightly different technique to 1155 though so it's slightly more complicated. I think that's why they left the 'k' off
 
Master&Puppet said:
Well he is going to use custom water cooling. If IB doesn't run on that then Intel have made the biggest 'mess' up ever. That would be worse than BD, which you can atleast turn on without burning your house down with (even if it isn't as powerful). Still worth waiting for benches but I doubt it will be that bad.

What do you use this rig for? Just gaming?

I think platform choice is more dependant on features than performance since IB will probably perform *slightly* better than SB for a bit more money after you take into account the better performance per clock, but lower clock because of heat.

Firstly you need to decide on which gpu you want. This will decide on the platform based on pcie bandwidth.

If you choose pcie2 cards in a single or dual setup or a single pcie3 card go z68/2500k.

If you choose pcie3 in dual setup (or want to get this down the line) then go z77/3570k.

If you want 3 or more pcie3 cards go 2011/sbe.

Check out plenty of reviews to see where you want your rig to sit gpu performance/price wise then pick the platform you need to support it.

Rest of your kit looks good.
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I mainly use it for programming, so i will be doing video rendering, app development, running bout 20 windows in photoshop/notepad++/dreamweaver and ontop of that i do some online gaming (BF3 and mass effect 3) so it needs to cover all my needs. The other thing that it needs to cover is my colour plans, going for a green and black stealth look (raystorm with 4 green LED's, bitfenix spectre green LED fans, and thats the only light coming into the rig) so my choices are limited to UD3, G2 assassin, asrock boards also, (oh and im choosing 2011, those temps on ivy are just too much considering ill be overclocking to 4.5-4.6GHz and also wanting to run a quiet system, so 3820 suits me perfectly)
 
Still not getting the 3820 argument really.

If you are happy with the performance of the 3770k but you don't like temps then I would you suggest you get a 2600k not the 3820. They perform the same but you are paying for a more expensive mobo on the 2011 socket.

Ideally you should go for the 3930k for your uses if you can afford it.
 
I agree with the above comment however not were you say the 3820 and motherboard combo will be more expensive than 2600k and motherboard. Reason being is I was in the same predicament a while back, and I went for the 3820. Purely because it was cheaper than the 2600k. The board was only slightly more than the equivalent board for the 2600k. But from my comparison the 3820 combo was cheaper and performs better than the 2600k and had better upgrade options in future. Plus depending what you are doing the 2011 will outperform the 1155.

Just my opinion.
 
I appreciate what you are saying but it doesn't add up from what I have seen.

Yes the processors are only about £10 different and the RAM is about the same but the 2011 motherboards are £50-150 more expensive. Having said that, if you managed to get a 3820 deal cheaper than a 2600k deal then it makes perfect sense to get it.

I have read multiple reviews on this and in all of them the 1155 is as good as, or often better than, a 3820 in performance because you are much more likely to get a better clock. Take a look at this review as an example:

http://www.xbitlabs....-i7-3820_9.html

The thing is, people forget that 1155 and 2011 are both sandy bridge. There is only 1 difference that actually amounts to an increase in performance between a 2600k and a 3930k - an extra 2 cores. If you take those 2 cores away, which you do on a 3820, then you have a 2600k. It basically boils down to that I'm afraid to say.
 
Yeh I totally agree 3820 is pretty much same as 2600k. However that review isn't really fair as they have overclocked the 2700k more than the 3820. I've got mine stable at 4.75 haven't bothered to go more but I'm sure it can. I've seen some hitting 5.1 or 5.2.

Perhaps I got a good deal with my combo, but the same on par board combo with the 2600k worked out slightly more than my combo. However you do have more board options in 1155 and because of that you can pick a cheaper one which will do pretty much same thing.

What it comes down to is the benefits from a 2011 board over the 1155, if you are looking at the 3820. For me the upgrade options were much greater on the 2011 path. But that's not for everyone.
 
That's true, 1155 is dead now, IB hasn't done anything to revive it. 2011 does has a future release and if they bring out a 3820 IB version it might not have the same heat issues which would make it a go-to chip.
 
Simsimma4 said:
Yeh I totally agree 3820 is pretty much same as 2600k. However that review isn't really fair as they have overclocked the 2700k more than the 3820. I've got mine stable at 4.75 haven't bothered to go more but I'm sure it can. I've seen some hitting 5.1 or 5.2.
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Yea clock for clock they are basically identical, why they didn't clock they together for the benchmarks I just don't know...
 
Yeh perhaps they were pointing out the fact they couldn't reach any more on the 3820. Who knows! But yeh let's hope ivy-e is better
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Hence that's why I went for 2011. I wanted 2700k performance but better upgrade path. Which lead me to the 3820.
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for me, overclocking aint a big problem, most im going to push from the 3820 will be 4.6, dont need it to more than that, what swings it for me in terms of 2011 rig is the mobo, the UD3 or if i can afford it the G2 assassin, will be perfect for the asthetics of the rig, preformance wise, 2600k and 3820 there aint much difference in, but with a 2011 rig, i will have more options in the long run to upgrade.
 
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