SieB
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Some retailers have stock, well I know OCUK does at least. Scan and others might have stock also. Nvidia will probably just recall the current stock and ship the replacements when they make whatever changes they are making.
Titan Z Has Been Cancelled
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Some retailers have stock, well I know OCUK does at least. Scan and others might have stock also. Nvidia will probably just recall the current stock and ship the replacements when they make whatever changes they are making.
Dicehunter
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How do you know OCUK has stock ?
SieB
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First page of the thread TitanZ: delayed indefinitely? in the Graphics Cards section, post #26 Gibbo says he has stock.
Dicehunter
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Interesting, Wouldn't mind seeing performance numbers when that retarded NDA is lifted.
SieB
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It's either going to be as fast or slower than two Titan Blacks, its not going to be faster anyway. Not at the current specs listed for it, if they manage to improve the specs then it might be slightly faster but I doubt it will be.
Dicehunter
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In the gaming department yes but everyone keeps forgetting the Titan class of cards are a mix of gaming and compute cards.
I'm not defending them at all because Nvidia's greed disgusts me, I know they are a company and it is their job to milk the customer dry until only blood remains.
They are all greedy, $1500 for a dual GPU card is unreal as well.
I think the computing part we have mentioned often enough, it's clearly not getting through to people.
SieB
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The 295x2 has just as much compute power though, the only thing the Titan Z has which the 295X2 doesn't is Cuda which is where the compute power will be used. The 295x2 does OpenCL and most programs have both Cuda and OpenCL, so the Titan Z is only better at compute if Cuda is the only option, otherwise where OpenCL can be used the compute power is the same.
And that is why the Titan Z is even more ridiculous because unless you need it for a Cuda specific program then using the Titan Z is no better than the 295x2 because it can compute with OpenCL just as good as Cuda.
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NeverBackDown
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the 295x2 would run laps around the Titan Z in OpenCL. Its not even worth comparing.. hell a 7970 is almost twice as fast as a Titan in OpenCL single compute and in double depending on the software is either twice as fast or faster.
OpenCL is dominated by AMD.
OpenCL is dominated by AMD.
Kaapstad
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+1
Even as a compute card the Titan Z is a joke, 2 Titan Blacks will slaughter it with their higher clockspeeds and much lower price.
The other question NVidia needs to answer is what is the dalay of the Titan Z for, even the retailers had stock of the cards so in theory places like OCUK even know what the performance is but would be silenced by the NDA.
Don't think so
Although Titan's are not good at it they are faster than HD 7970s, 4 Titan's have about the same performance as 3 290Xs.
Here is a fun bench using OpenCL with Titan's and 290Xs in it.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18596711
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SieB
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I think there are a few reasons, possibly all of them combined have caused Nvidia to rethink.
1. Heat vs Performance
The specs that have been leaked or unofficially announced show pretty low clock speeds. So my guess is that heat is a problem and they have had to cut back on the clocks to keep the heat down.
2. Price to Performance
I don't think they expected the 295x2 to do well, let alone have a AIO cooling.
So Nvidia being Nvidia thought they would do what they normally do and charge a high price. But at the same time thinking that they could make it look like it was worth it because they expected the 295x2 to be air cooled and perform badly.
I know people will argue against this, but as it stands the 295x2 is the far better card. It has two full Hawaii chips, they aren't underclocked and they are running at a full 1000mhz underload, the card is cool and it is quiet.
It also has overclocking headroom, not much but it can be overclocked making it even faster.
Now, when you compare this against the Titan Z which has two underclocked GK110 chips, heat is a problem and there is no way that one fan is cooling the card without being loud. Also, given the heat issues then I doubt there is much if any overclocking head room at all.
If Nvidia were to release the Titan Z in its current state, it would be a laughing joke at $3000 when the 295x2 which cost half the price outperforms it not only in gaming benchmarks but in compute power, which Nvidia are trying to market the card as being for. The Titan Z only has an advantage in Cuda seen as the 295x2 doesn't do Cuda, but if there is the option for openCL as well as Cuda, which is most programs, then the Titan Z has no advantage.
As well as all that you also have the fact that when compared to the two Titan Blacks which cost $1000 less, it is still blown out of the water.
They should seriously just scrap it and do a 790 with two 780 cores because unless they lower the price or go AIO, I can't see the Titan Z doing well.
It would look pretty bad for Nvidia in the media if they did release the Titan Z for the full $3000 and it did no better than the 295x2, i'm pretty sure their investors, share holders and partners wouldn't be to happy about it either.
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NeverBackDown
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Nope.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-27.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-performance-review,3516-28.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review/18
My previous post was based off of the first two links. Just added the third as i just came across it.
While the titan can beat a 7970 its only specific areas such as f@h in OpenCL.
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Kaapstad
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Fortunately I don't have to rely on other peoples testing as I own both Titan's and 290Xs, I also have some 7970s knocking around as well for that matter.
In the Luxmark 2.0 bench link I posted earlier my 290Xs were running big overclocks compared to a moderate overclock on the Titan's. Although the AMD cards are noticeably better they are not as far ahead as you make out. The NVidia card owners who posted on that bench thread knew they were not going to come out on top but they were pleasantly surprised how well they did.
You could always have a go on that Luxmark 2.0 bench yourself and post your results over there if you think you can put a wider gap between yourself and the NVidia cards.
Dicehunter
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Personally I'm waiting for the 8xx series version of the Titan, The Titan ABC123 Jackson 5 Edition !
Vlada011
New member
I wait too final version of Maxwell, strongest full chip.
I continue my tradition with only one strongest single non reference cards not SLI. And I decide this year to continue with highest clock out of box on market.
NVIDIA talk about some "Denver", maybe that will be Titan successor, I mean TITAN Black successor because he is unlocked.
