Swiftech H220 AIO Review

[grouchon]

Gentlemen (and Ladies if any)


I'm in middle of a product validation and have absolutely no time to comment, except this: be rest assured that no stone will be left unturned!


Generally speaking, you should be aware of this: we have been in the testing business for 15 years and we are known in the industry for publishing accurate data. We have the time, the intellectual resources, and the equipment to do so.


To be continued

 

[Feronix]

Gentlemen (and Ladies if any)


I'm in middle of a product validation and have absolutely no time to comment, except this: be rest assured that no stone will be left unturned!


Generally speaking, you should be aware of this: we have been in the testing business for 15 years and we are known in the industry for publishing accurate data. We have the time, the intellectual resources, and the equipment to do so.


To be continued

Thanks for this post, I'm looking forward to what you come up with

 

[airdeano]

Its a shame that swiftech use those weak fans.they brag about how silent it runs and thats the point really but only an overclocker would buy these kind of coolers anyway and they do want performance.who cares about silent when we benchmark.anyway ,this is the best performing predone liquid cooler there.i think ppl will buy along with it other fans.it doesn`t have to be noctuas lol,and it does offer other options so after me...best buy

i know some of you may not understand, the the fan choice of the H220 is
an excellent one (as compared from others). i have them and they are an
excellent choice over the AP-15 that everyone seems to be in love with.
so i wouldn't be saying they are weak at all.

 

[stormin]

Thanks for this post, I'm looking forward to what you come up with

Hopefully better fans. Or maybe a voucher of some sort to buy fans of your choice for a discount.

 

[grouchon]

the point I'm making is the fuss your making over toms review showing the H100i 4.5c cooler then the H220 yet you have after this Compared to Corsair's H100i: a link that uses 2 different systems to compare the H100i and the H220 showing the H220 10c better then the H100i.
Now tom changing the thermal past is going to make a lot less difference and be more accurate to real world results then using 2 different systems as a comparison.

Hello there,

I finally have a few minutes to respond to the various posts you've had here and on OCN.

The review you are referring to was published while I was in Shenzhen dealing with H220 production on a 14 hour day basis. So yes I saw it, jumped to the test results and they didn't shock me (just a couple of degrees apart); so I didn't pay attention to the testing methodology.

In contrast, I had the time to watch Tom's video in full, and the results did shock me. I double-checked with Stephen (our thermal engineer) what his results were, and proceeded to start investigating.

I didn't "make a fuss", I didn't "moan" as you said in another post. I investigated. I didn't accuse, I suggested and asked questions, none of which have been answered to this date by the way. Tom's review was - according to many other posters here an elsewhere, very negative. But did you hear me say this? No. I chose not to comment on any of Tom's opinions because they were not based on data. I suppose it might surprise you that a CEO would be taking the time to respond to a review on a forum, and as such imagine that this me making a fuss. But it is not the case. I post on forums all the time (correction, whenever I HAVE the time), so its not unusual for me. I've doing it for 15 years.

So your conclusion : "So it seems it's ok if the results show what they want" is really incorrect. 1/ there is no malice towards Tom, and 2/ there is no agenda either. Note that I have had extremely severe arguments with reviewer friends. So when I see something that catches my attention I do discuss it, and that's all you should read into it.

I hope this answered your specific question.

 

[DoctorNick]

Hey Tom you should try to check out Linus' review. He uses different TIM and fans and it seems to make quite a difference

 

[peanutsrevenge]

Hey Tom you should try to check out Linus' review. He uses different TIM and fans and it seems to make quite a difference

He already linked to linus' spreadsheet results in this post
http://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=619932&postcount=129

 

[Greenback]

Hello there,

I finally have a few minutes to respond to the various posts you've had here and on OCN.

The review you are referring to was published while I was in Shenzhen dealing with H220 production on a 14 hour day basis. So yes I saw it, jumped to the test results and they didn't shock me (just a couple of degrees apart); so I didn't pay attention to the testing methodology.

In contrast, I had the time to watch Tom's video in full, and the results did shock me. I double-checked with Stephen (our thermal engineer) what his results were, and proceeded to start investigating.

I didn't "make a fuss", I didn't "moan" as you said in another post. I investigated. I didn't accuse, I suggested and asked questions, none of which have been answered to this date by the way. Tom's review was - according to many other posters here an elsewhere, very negative. But did you hear me say this? No. I chose not to comment on any of Tom's opinions because they were not based on data. I suppose it might surprise you that a CEO would be taking the time to respond to a review on a forum, and as such imagine that this me making a fuss. But it is not the case. I post on forums all the time (correction, whenever I HAVE the time), so its not unusual for me. I've doing it for 15 years.

So your conclusion : "So it seems it's ok if the results show what they want" is really incorrect. 1/ there is no malice towards Tom, and 2/ there is no agenda either. Note that I have had extremely severe arguments with reviewer friends. So when I see something that catches my attention I do discuss it, and that's all you should read into it.

I hope this answered your specific question.

To start I never question swiftechs interest in customers issues and helping on forums, it's excellent.

The review I was referring to show an average 7.5c cooler cpu with the h220 over the H100i, and my concern was that as it's linked from your site and as you did ppl just look at graphs rather then check the method would assume that it's a proper comparison done on the same system, where as it's more an estimate done on 2 different systems on both xcpus and occ.
This was why I thought it was misleading

He already linked to linus' spreadsheet results in this post
http://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=619932&postcount=129

I would be surprised by a 20c difference just by changing fans considering he mentioins running at 7v

 

[peanutsrevenge]

I would be surprised by a 20c difference just by changing fans considering he mentioins running at 7v

It is pretty huge, but it was also surprising to everyone that the H220 performed so poorly (for two reviewers I respect highly (Linus & co and OC3D) and one who found it performed well (Anandtech)).

I hope that this does get looked into further by those I've mentioned just for clarity's sake.
I'm not one for AIO coolers, I currently use BIG AIR and plan on custom loop in the future, but this one's really perked my interest as I believe it has many others.

Hoping it gets mentioned on the live stream I'll be watching tomorrow

 

[Feronix]

I believe HiTechLegion's review was quite positive as well. They seem to be pretty popular however I personally don't really know them...

Kind of odd, and I too hope that someone figures out what the deal is about this cooler

 

[Vlada011]

What is this, whole mess here...H100-H220-H100i better, worse, TIM, fans, ...
For me everything is clear... Koolance is WINNER. Model PMP-450/370SI/360mm and no more thinking.

 

[peanutsrevenge]

What is this, whole mess here...H100-H220-H100i better, worse, TIM, fans, ...
For me everything is clear... Koolance is WINNER. Model PMP-450/370SI/360mm and no more thinking.

Says the guy with the H100

 

[Phelan]

I can tell you that I believe something is wrong in Linus' results. Whether it be a bad contact, bad fans, or whatever. Both the Helix fans and Noctua fans are similarly rated, so to see 20*C difference is quite a shocker.

Martin will be doing an extremely detailed head-to-head review soon of the H220 vs the H100i. I eagerly await his results .

 

[Lystfiskern]

Ok im not a fan boy of any camp - will buy whatever i like.
But im starting to wonder - what is really going on here?
First Toms results are "strange" and now something must be wrong with Linus results...

Is there a way to put these two to a 100% equal test that completely rules out any faults and interpetation that metology was chosen to suit one or the other? If so - just do it.

 

[alienware]

Can I just ask a really important question?

What is your protocol in the case of a leak? do you take care of your customers?

I ask because I had a coolit leak on me last year causing £300 worth of damage and they simply told me to dunk all of my stuff in distilled water and when I told them I wasn't comfortable doing that (as it would void my warranties) they told me to f**k off.

Do you cover your customers? I know leaks are very rare but it's always good to know that a company will do the right thing.

 

[qhfreddy]

I don't know if this was brought up at any time before, but Linus Tech Tips finds the stock fans to be very bad on the cooler, replacing them with NF-F 12s yielded temps lower than the H110.

 

[airdeano]

I don't know if this was brought up at any time before, but Linus Tech Tips finds the stock fans to be very bad on the cooler, replacing them with NF-F 12s yielded temps lower than the H110.

yes, it has been mentioned, brought up and scrutinized.

 

[Feronix]

He did use pull on them though, I don't know if it makes a difference? I've heard that it doesn't really matter, which makes sense as a fan can't push more air than it pulls. However, when pushing the air the airflow should be more directed, especially with pressure optimized fan designs?

 

[USAdystopia]

Well, I just purchased one of the H220s. May configure it with Cougar PWM fans in a push/pull configuration as they worked so well in the Corsair H100.

Planning to purchase a pair of Komodo 7970 waterblocks and another radiator from his product line.

M. Grouchon appears to be someone that is dedicated that the term mediocrity shall never be associated with his Swiftech brand.

 

[Vlada011]

Yes I have H100 and Hydro Series is my favorite AIO CPU cooler type.
I thought this would be revolution I mean 10C better in full load. With one graphic card and CPU at full load temps like H100 and 3700k...But maybe this is close to border for that types of coolers... I was always for fast and simple solution but every day and I start to think more and more ... D5 pump will be good years(5-6) you can build in several options and change later loop with same hardware with little more parts, radiator who knows... CPU block 2-3 platform...
Later you sell fittings, change tubes, loop and that's like completely new system, give new impression with 90% same parts on next platform.