SK Hynix adds GDDR6 and faster GDDR5 to their product catalogue

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SK Hynix adds GDDR6 and faster GDDR5 to their product catalogue, with set release times in Q4 2017.



Read more on SK Hynix's new GDDR5 and GDDR6 memory.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Probably won't see these on Nvidias Volta cards, or not on the mid/low end cards. I'd bet the higher end cards will see them. I don't think HBM2 will get used in consumer cards for Nvidia just yet

 

[SPS]

Probably won't see these on Nvidias Volta cards, or not on the mid/low end cards. I'd bet the higher end cards will see them. I don't think HBM2 will get used in consumer cards for Nvidia just yet

You can already get an Nvidia card with HBM2, it's not cheap but anybody can buy it, unless you're referring to gaming cards.

 

[NeverBackDown]

You can already get an Nvidia card with HBM2, it's not cheap but anybody can buy it, unless you're referring to gaming cards.

Gaming/consumer cards yes

 

[SPS]

Gaming/consumer cards yes

I'd still class a £7K card a consumer card.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I really hope you're being sarcastic...

 

[AngryGoldfish]

7K is NOT a consumer-grade graphics card price. Both the companies themselves and consumers accept this.

 

[SPS]

7K is NOT a consumer-grade graphics card price. Both the companies themselves and consumers accept this.

Why is it not? It's not for gaming, it's aimed at different market. Anybody involved in HPC could buy one for themselves. It's still affordable for a consumer who is in that market. Compare it to the cost of running supercomputers.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Why is it not? It's not for gaming, it's aimed at different market. Anybody involved in HPC could buy one for themselves. It's still affordable for a consumer who is in that market. Compare it to the cost of running supercomputers.

There are middle grounds between supercomputers and non-consumer grade computers. It's not just 'consumer grade' - 'non-consumer grade' - 'supercomputers'. There are middle grounds, but anything after £2000 for a GPU is not consumer grade in my opinion. Firstly because it's so prohibitively expensive, but more importantly because we already know that high-end performance for consumers can be found for significantly less. So what does the £2000-£7000 market introduce? Very specific features that are not designed for general consumers.

edit: Also, consumer grade signifies consumption rather than production. Nobody buys a £7000 GPU just to 'consume'. Companies buy them en mass because they can afford them as they allow them to make money themselves, or 'produce'.

 

[SPS]

There are middle grounds between supercomputers and non-consumer grade computers. It's not just 'consumer grade' - 'non-consumer grade' - 'supercomputers'. There are middle grounds, but anything after £2000 for a GPU is not consumer grade in my opinion. Firstly because it's so prohibitively expensive, but more importantly because we already know that high-end performance for consumers can be found for significantly less. So what does the £2000-£7000 market introduce? Very specific features that are not designed for general consumers.

edit: Also, consumer grade signifies consumption rather than production. Nobody buys a £7000 GPU just to 'consume'. Companies buy them en mass because they can afford them as they allow them to make money themselves, or 'produce'.

You're thinking in the wrong market. This card is pennies compared to what you can get in the high performance computing market.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

You're thinking in the wrong market. This card is pennies compared to what you can get in the high performance computing market.

But that's my point. Just because there is higher than £7000 does not mean that £7000 is still consumer grade. There is a middle ground in the production centers that still encompasses £7000 graphics cards.

 

[NeverBackDown]

You're thinking in the wrong market. This card is pennies compared to what you can get in the high performance computing market.

That doesn't make it a consumer card. Because it isn't​. Not only is 7k way above consumers, nvidia do not classify it at as such either along with the fact it has no driver support for games.

 

[SPS]

That doesn't make it a consumer card. Because it isn't​. Not only is 7k way above consumers, nvidia do not classify it at as such either along with the fact it has no driver support for games.

Lol I give up, what does consumer have to do with games?

Definition of consumer.
a person who purchases goods and services for personal use.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Lol I give up, what does consumer have to do with games?

Definition of consumer.
a person who purchases goods and services for personal use.

In the case of Nvidia, consumer does include games. Nvidia's market is gamers. Literally. They don't market "Fastest Gaming GPU Ever" for no reason.

A consumer is different from a commerical or business market, which those cards are aimed at. And BTW if it is so cheap, please go ahead and buy one to prove us wrong?

But to be objective and take a look from your side, yes technically you are right. Technically if Google bought this card themselves for "personal use" in there servers, then yes you are right, they are a consumer. However being technically right by twisting words isn't the same as being right. So if you would like to continue to troll, be my guest. Saddens me such a respected person here like you(I should note I respect you more than anyone else here since we've never had an issue) is trying to troll.

To make an analogy:
The military creates a tank. The tank is retired but is sold to anyone who could afford it. Say I buy it. I buy this tank and use it at home for personal use. Does this make me a consumer? No. Why? Because it is a military vehicle aimed specifically at the military. Yes I am a civilian, but that doesn't change the fact what the tank is. Just like how the Nvidia card in question is. It's a GPU aimed at a target audience, HPC/Datacenters/AI/DeepLearning. A guy like me could buy it, makes me a "consumer" with a HPC CLASS CARD but it doesn't change the fact the card is still meant for HPC, not consumers, consumers being Nvidia's gamer audience.

 

[SPS]

In the case of Nvidia, consumer does include games. Nvidia's market is gamers. Literally. They don't market "Fastest Gaming GPU Ever" for no reason.

A consumer is different from a commerical or business market, which those cards are aimed at. And BTW if it is so cheap, please go ahead and buy one to prove us wrong?

But to be objective and take a look from your side, yes technically you are right. Technically if Google bought this card themselves for "personal use" in there servers, then yes you are right, they are a consumer. However being technically right by twisting words isn't the same as being right. So if you would like to continue to troll, be my guest. Saddens me such a respected person here like you(I should note I respect you more than anyone else here since we've never had an issue) is trying to troll.

To make an analogy:
The military creates a tank. The tank is retired but is sold to anyone who could afford it. Say I buy it. I buy this tank and use it at home for personal use. Does this make me a consumer? No. Why? Because it is a military vehicle aimed specifically at the military. Yes I am a civilian, but that doesn't change the fact what the tank is. Just like how the Nvidia card in question is. It's a GPU aimed at a target audience, HPC/Datacenters/AI/DeepLearning. A guy like me could buy it, makes me a "consumer" with a HPC CLASS CARD but it doesn't change the fact the card is still meant for HPC, not consumers, consumers being Nvidia's gamer audience.

I'm not trolling. I wanted to simply explain that because the card is not aimed at the consumer gaming market doesn't mean it's not affordable for some consumers. I wouldn't buy one, I have no need. But if I was doing PhD research that required such use I would consider this as a consumer option where the alternative might 10s of thousands of dollars for super computer grade hardware. Can you even buy supercomputer boards with hundreds of CPUs, probably not because they're not available for consumers. Do you see my point? I'm not saying Nvidia made this cards for consumers but it is available to them should they have the need for it.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I'm not trolling. I wanted to simply explain that because the card is not aimed at the consumer gaming market doesn't mean it's not affordable for some consumers. I wouldn't buy one, I have no need. But if I was doing PhD research that required such use I would consider this as a consumer option where the alternative might 10s of thousands of dollars for super computer grade hardware. Can you even buy supercomputer boards with hundreds of CPUs, probably not because they're not available for consumers. Do you see my point? I'm not saying Nvidia made this cards for consumers but it is available to them should they have the need for it.

You did say in the beginning you'd classify this as a consumer card. That is my argument. It is not. Which you just said yourself, this isn't meant for consumers. That is my argument and what me and Goldfish are arguing. This isn't meant for consumers, and if you are doing PhD Research you're probably working on a team or group of people, and at that point it would not be a consumer purchase, it would be a business purchase because I bet the University would buy it for you. If you bought it yourself for your own personal Research at home then it would be a consumer purchase. But again that doesn't make it a consumer product. That's all I'm saying, it's not a consumer card. Yes a consumer could buy it, but that still doesn't mean it's not actually a business/professional/research/AI/ etc card. What it is doesn't change

 

[SPS]

You did say in the beginning you'd classify this as a consumer card. That is my argument. It is not. Which you just said yourself, this isn't meant for consumers. That is my argument and what me and Goldfish are arguing. This isn't meant for consumers, and if you are doing PhD Research you're probably working on a team or group of people, and at that point it would not be a consumer purchase, it would be a business purchase because I bet the University would buy it for you. If you bought it yourself for your own personal Research at home then it would be a consumer purchase. But again that doesn't make it a consumer product. That's all I'm saying, it's not a consumer card. Yes a consumer could buy it, but that still doesn't mean it's not actually a business/professional/research/AI/ etc card. What it is doesn't change

If a consumer can buy something I class it as a consumer product, that's my view.

By the way if you think most PhD students are heavily funded by University you should speak to a few. They often have to lend their skills part time to fund most of their own research by themselves. Yes some will have access to university facilities some of the time, but cards like this go along way to help them accelerate their research by having such hardware on exclusive demand.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

But then anything could be considered a consumer product. A kiss with Sharon Stone for $50,000 could be considered a 'consumer' product. This chap who paid that kind of money 'consumed' Sharon Stone's saliva.

Or how about that dude who auctioned his life a few years back? Is he a 'consumer' product just because you can buy it?

Getting back to reality, if a £7000 GPU can be bought and used by consumers, why can't a £500,000 supercomputer? Is that then a consumer product?

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/07/technology/enterprise/cray-supercomputer/