WYP
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No Ray Tracing Support?
Read more about the Sapphire rep that spilt the beans on Radeon's Navi graphics cards.
Read more about the Sapphire rep that spilt the beans on Radeon's Navi graphics cards.
Sapphire Rep spills the beans on AMD's Radeon Navi Lineup
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Good to know the R7 will remain their top card for the time being, Gives those of us who bought it a little longer before it's replaced ^_^
WYP
News Guru
This will be a new gen, I don't know where this shrunken 390 idea comes from... I really hope you mean in a thermal and power sense, rather than a physical sense. This will be a new gen with post-Vega tech, not some 7nm rehash.
TBH, what AMD needs is a "Maxwell moment", an architecture which (like Maxwell) dramatically increases their performance/watt and opens the door to better mobile performance.
Nvidia's focus on mobile may not have gotten them many design wins in the phone/tablet market, well... I guess they got the Switch eventually, but the work did yeild them with a more power efficient architecture than Radeon, something that has placed AMD on the back foot ever since.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Apols if this is a two poster as I'm on phone. No RT, looks like it's on GCN still and no HBM is what makes me think it's not a new gen.
Any performance per watt etc will go up in smoke because they are behind. So we already know that just to get near NVIDIA they are going to have to clock balls meaning there won't be anything left in it for us. If you were in doubt look at the power connectors we saw on the PCB leak.
Meh. Just, meh.
ImprovizoR
Active member
I'll just get a new console then. PC gaming can go screw itself if this is the new standard pricing model for GPU's.
WYP
News Guru
It will be GDDR6, which is new. HBM is a great standard, but too costly. GDDR6 will get the bandwidth AMD needs without the manufacturing headaches. If AMD went for HBM again I could see more than a few posters complain about it costing too much.
I'll also add that better memory performance can also be provided with better memory compression, which is an area that AMD needs to work on. As always, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
As far as power goes, it is not uncommon for power connectors to be overkill on a reference/test PCB.
The Radeon VII uses the same power config and we should therefore not expect power consumption to be higher than that, given the rumoured pricing and performance levels of Navi. There is also the chance that the PCB design will change, as early RTX 2080 Ti prototype boards were pictured with three 8-pin connectors.
I'm not saying that Navi will be more efficient than Nvidia, just that the 8+8 pin power config on the early PCB doesn't necessarily mean anything. Test boards are often overkill because they are designed to test a wide range of power envelopes.
AlienALX
Well-known member
So basically it comes down to it being easier and cheaper for AMD. For more money *confused face*. Do they not realise the prices of their own cards right now?
Also $399 for a 2060 rival costs the same as the 2060 yet no RT. And I thought NVIDIA were a rip off.
Hopefully it will make more sense in the light of day, as right now nothing about it makes sense. The only leaks I've seen that did make sense were the ones with the uber low prices. Not $399 and most certainly not $499.
Also $399 for a 2060 rival costs the same as the 2060 yet no RT. And I thought NVIDIA were a rip off.
Hopefully it will make more sense in the light of day, as right now nothing about it makes sense. The only leaks I've seen that did make sense were the ones with the uber low prices. Not $399 and most certainly not $499.
This will be an increase in memory bandwidth over RX Vega64 if using 16Gbps GDDR6, or it'll slot between V56 and V64 if 14Gbps.
From everything we've seen so far this has consistently looked like an RTX2070 competitor for months, all they have to do is pull off some reasonable pricing and it will be a strong card really. Remember, this is the same memory & power config as the RTX2080 & 2070. For 1440p and 4K this will probably be a long way ahead of a 2060.
From everything we've seen so far this has consistently looked like an RTX2070 competitor for months, all they have to do is pull off some reasonable pricing and it will be a strong card really. Remember, this is the same memory & power config as the RTX2080 & 2070. For 1440p and 4K this will probably be a long way ahead of a 2060.
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Mark, are you sure the XT is supposed to compete against the 2080? Other posts from the same report say it's the 2070. How is it supposed to compete against the 2080 while Radeon VII does that and remains their flagship?
Pretty much I'm on board with this too. If the new consoles can incorporate proper mouse and keyboard control, I'm done with PC gaming as an enthusiast. I don't intend to get rid of my PC because I still use it all the time. And I still want Zen 2. But if these new leaks are true, I'm not even remotely impressed. I wasn't hoping for a 2080Ti beater or even a 2080 beater. I was hoping for 2060-2070 performance at lower price points with a modest TDP. None of those things look possible at this point.
Pretty much I'm on board with this too. If the new consoles can incorporate proper mouse and keyboard control, I'm done with PC gaming as an enthusiast. I don't intend to get rid of my PC because I still use it all the time. And I still want Zen 2. But if these new leaks are true, I'm not even remotely impressed. I wasn't hoping for a 2080Ti beater or even a 2080 beater. I was hoping for 2060-2070 performance at lower price points with a modest TDP. None of those things look possible at this point.
WYP
News Guru
It competes with the 2070, at least according to the rumours. I'll re-read everything and make sure that's clear. Could be a 2070/2080 typo there. Thanks.
AlienALX
Well-known member
It ought to given the price.
The worst part of all will be the $ to perf, though. It's the same crap it's been for two years.
And I'll bet now it's hot and loud and overclocks none. It has to be that way with NVIDIA being so far out ahead.
That's almost new console money I reckon and I know what will be more fun and get more exclusives.
I'm seriously impressed with my PS4. And that's just a vanilla one. Every time I use my consoles I'm reminded what a total plank I've been to sink £3g into my P.C.
Then again not using it much has saved me £25pm which is not to be sniffed at!
WYP
News Guru
We will need to see the card's performance before we can properly comment in that. Vague "similar to" or "better than" statements aren't much to go on. It really depends what games are being compared.
Having played a lot of recent games with the RTX 2060, it is consistently getting similar performance to the GTX 1080, or higher, leaving the GTX 1070 in the dust. The RTX 2060 offers a great value proposition compared to last year's cards at the same price point. Then there are the game that simple love Turing, with Rage 2 being a prime example. That said, RAGE 2 loves the RX Vega 56 as well.
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/rage_2_pc_performance_review/1
I am very much looking forward to seeing AMD's architectural summary of Navi. AMD has been very quiet about it, which can be a good or bad thing. They need to address GCN's shortcomings.
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Darkdayzzz
New member
No problem at all with playing on my Xbox X over my PC. The X looks just as good at 4k as my GTX 1070 at 1440p and the console costs me less than the graphic card did let alone the rest of my setup.
My PC cost more than my 55" 4k tv + Xbox X + a spare controller + the entertainment stand it all sits on/by. So why would I ever sink MORE money into my pc, especially when the same games (for the most part) are on the xbox and look just as good.
Not to mention I get everything for half off since my brother and I gold share so if one of us buys something on the xbox the other gets it for free (we just pay the other person half of what it cost or buy the next game we want).
I'll trade my xbox X in for the next gen xbox if its worth it, if it is minimal differences then meh lol.
In short - nothing wrong with PC gaming, nothing wrong with console gaming. When a GPU that is able to do 1440p costs more or the same as a console that can upscale to 4k and look just as good... why would you ever go for a single PC component? makes no sense.
To each their own, that's how I view it. You do what you want, the rest of us will do ours.
WYP
News Guru
TBH I can see a lot of effort going into Faux-K (fake 4K) solutions moving forward. As it stands, today's hardware isn't good enough for 4K and upscaling techniques have the potential to create an image that's more than good enough for gamers.
You can bet that the next PlayStation will have some upscaling secret sauce. The PS4 Pro had some, but now Sony has had enough time to get to grips with how the technique should work and how to get it to deliver better levels of image quality over a wider range of games.
PC-wise, its hard to know how well things will catch on, but as it stands who has over £1000 lying around for just a GPU? Even then an RTX 2080 Ti isn't enough for 4K 60 in a lot of games.
The future will have a lot of "fake it" solutions and assuming it looks good that's ok.
You can bet that the next PlayStation will have some upscaling secret sauce. The PS4 Pro had some, but now Sony has had enough time to get to grips with how the technique should work and how to get it to deliver better levels of image quality over a wider range of games.
PC-wise, its hard to know how well things will catch on, but as it stands who has over £1000 lying around for just a GPU? Even then an RTX 2080 Ti isn't enough for 4K 60 in a lot of games.
The future will have a lot of "fake it" solutions and assuming it looks good that's ok.
