q6600 Vs E5200 wich one to use dilemma ..

[mayhem]

Oky ive been on a buy spree to replace my "Blown Up" pc.

I have now got a spare Q6600 and a Spare E5200

Now ive been messing around and boy the e5200 over clocks to 3.6 ghz on air alone wich is dammed amazing in my view but not sustainable on air in a enclosed enviroment.

Now the Q66000 Go stepping seems to go to about 3.4 on air which is oky i presume and the temps are pretty much stable.

So here are a few question i need answering as i have managed to bribe some people to hand over some water cooling parts and i am going to water cool the cpu once i can lay my hands on the best water cooling block and Res i can get that's in stock .

Ill be using Windows Vista fro my c-macc's system what i need to know is the following.

1) Which should i use With windows Vista . i know the quad core is better in respect of it being a quad and more cash on this chip but the e5200 can over clock so well does any on think it would be better. You see ill sell the spare chip and i don't think i need the q6600 any longer.

2) Which block is the best water cooling block out there

3) Is a double rad fine (XSPC 120x2) for a q6600 as its its seems very thin and looks a little skimpy compaierd to what i owned in the past "thermochill"

4) allso the Titan Fenrir Universal CPU Cooler : TTC-NK85TZ has not only been getting some raving reviews but it all so knocked the socks of some water cooling set ups ... would it be better ditching the idea of water cooling and just huping for this beast ...

 

[Mul.]

I suppose it comes down to whether the applications that you use will take full advantage of four cores and whether the performance of the application actually scales well with the extra cores. If the Q6600 is definitely capable of 3.4GHz, then I'd say that it performs similar to the E5200 @ 3.6GHz, which has half the amount of usable cache in singlethreaded apps and a quarter of the amount of usable cache in fully multithreaded apps.

Another thing to consider is that you can get away with selling the Q6600 for good money due to the exchange rate fall last year. These were once £105 new and now they're £160. You can expect to be able to sell these for about £100-125 used on eBay, which is very good money

As for the watercooling, I'm not much of an expert on that front but I would imagine a reasonable 120.2 Rad could potentially cool a Q6600 well enough with the right waterblock and pump. I've heard good things about the Titan Fenrir and it's definitely up there with the better CPU Heatpipe Coolers but the only watercooling setups that I see it possibly beating are the cheaper Swiftech H2O Compacts, NorthQ and Thermaltake watercooling kits.

I for one would save some money by keeping the E5200 and just taking the CPU Heatpipe Cooler route. At 3.6GHz, it's no slouch.

 

[mayhem]

i bought 4 x Q6600 at £99 when scan went mental one time that was inc post and packing (free)

This spare one i have is not in my kids PC and has only been over locked last night to find it speed. i hit speed stated and temps what i would consider to be Acceptable. I how ever would not run on it air for long periods of time at that speed unless the Air cooling was good enough. The temps on the q6600 were Approx 65 / 75 c and same with the E5200> saying that the E5200 HS is a bit rubbish (standard Intel one).

I was given the water kit for a seriously cheap price (£20) for the rad and fans and pump (pumps not perfect it is 240v version) , but all so he gave me a DD Maze 4 Cpu block, Chip set block and GFX block but Block's are no good for my needs.

If there was a way to convert the maze 4 CPU block to 775 i would be excellent but i was looking at the Swiftech Apogee GTZ CPU Block LGA 775 and think that could be the beast to go for and a nice little cheap res. I know it may only remove a few extra c's but in the environment it is going it could be the answer.

The only problem with HFC cooling is noise and i would like to try and avoid an aircraft in my system and keep this to a minimum. All so the air circulation will not be perfect in box so i need to be careful as i cannot add top vents. Air will flow from the front and out the back. If i was to fit the rads they would be at the back and i would probably pull the air from the back , through the rad then back out the back trying to circumvent the warm air which will build up with in the system.

 

[Mul.]

If you reckon it'll be possible to adapt that watercooling kit to work with LGA775, it's certainly worth trying. I think however that the noise issue of Air Cooled systems is overrated. Using a large Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, Noctua NH-U12P or similar, it is certainly possible to keep things quiet. Fitting the heatsink and ventilation areas within the box with slower running 900-1200rpm 120mm/140mm fans will no doubt allow for quiet operation without stupid temperatures.

 

[mayhem]

If you reckon it'll be possible to adapt that watercooling kit to work with LGA775, it's certainly worth trying. I think however that the noise issue of Air Cooled systems is overrated. Using a large Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, Noctua NH-U12P or similar, it is certainly possible to keep things quiet. Fitting the heatsink and ventilation areas within the box with slower running 900-1200rpm 120mm/140mm fans will no doubt allow for quiet operation without stupid temperatures.

dam your holding up the end of the HFC side there. hmm your making me think now cos if i go air cooling its will save alot of money as well as redesign and hart ace ..... not to mention the hours of having to build and expanded into a internal rad box.

+1

 

[Mul.]

It's something to think about anyway. Watercooling can always be done at a later stage if you see fit to do so. My frank opinion though is that keeping the noise done should be more than doable. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it anyway

 

[mayhem]

Gonna have to think about this now. !!!! My heads up in the air as i know what i would like its just cost. My lass is not to happy with me atm, esp when she realised how much equipment i lost when i blew my system.

what's a top of the range HFC atm there seems to be so many with some relay out outlandish designs and some that are just pure marketing hype i dont what any thing like it just need to do it job and keep a over clocked quad cool and steady.

 

[Mul.]

I'd recommend something tower based, probably the Thermalright or Noctua that I mentioned. Use these with 900-1200rpm fans and use similar fans in appropriate locations as intakes and exhausts. Perhaps you could even implement some form of air guide or ducting system towards an intake and exhaust allowing you to possibly run without a fan fitted to the Heatsink itself if you want to keep it as quiet as possible.

 

[mayhem]

checking out cpc and reading the latest test results on the HFC's seemingly the titan is pretty much wiping ass in medium and high speed. Ill be running 10 x 120mm fans with in the system so im going be get some noise from the fan system alone.

The Notura is quieter but only the new Core 7 work in push pull while the 775 working in push only.

I could duct the system but im going to end up ruining it elegance. I think i can solve the problem though with some hidden careful adjusted peace's of wood mounted behind the fans to direct air flow more. The next problem is the 8800 i need some thing to cool that little baby down as the stock Cooling is pretty much noisy in its own right and i suspect that in the environment it will be going into this will increase.

hmm

 

[Mul.]

For the 8800GT there's quite a lot of choice. If space isn't an issue, I wouldn't look much further than a Thermalright HR03 GT with a quiet 92mm fan. The Thermalright Trad2 also offers very good performance with a slow fan but isn't as rediculously sized. On the cheaper side of things, the Arctic Cooling based Akasa Vortexx Neo is also a reasonably quiet performer.

 

[mayhem]

Yeh ill have a look now at them, size is no problem i have loads of it. ive got 1 foot in hight and about 2.5 foot in length to play with.

 

[Freak]

I would imagine that you dont want it to be too noisy. Noctua would be the way to go. Simpler than getting a true and a fan. Specially for 1-3 degrees difference.

 

[mayhem]

Aculay looking at specs all over and what ppl have been saying

TF = 38c full load

noctura = 49c full load

that's not just a few c that's a 1/2 mile in front ..... esp when ambient is 25c/28c

There is not point looking at idle because the system will always be pushing it self.

It will have to deal with os , front ends and then sub systems before it even touches a game. Unlike a normal install of Windows Vista / Xp im having to run alot of macro program's and Control monitors and so much more it makes my head spin some times.