Project Scorpio will be 4.5x more powerful than the Xbox One

[WYP]

Project Scorpio will be 4.5x more powerful than the Xbox One, giving it enough graphical grunt to run games at higher resolutions and/or higher framerates than the Xbox One.



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[NeverBackDown]

Means the CPU won't be that big of an upgrade. Since the GPU alone is nearly 4x the power of the Ones GPU

 

[shambles1980]

i dont see the point. Unless you are making a new console WITH backwards compatibility then there is no reall reason to upgrade the hardware.
the only thing that will happen is what has been happening for years any way..
they will make a game for the lowest common denominator and then port it. I say they should just admit current gen consoles were never going to last like the master race told them and make a new gen of consoles.

After they decide thats the best course of action, they need to snap out of it and admit that to really be worth it they need to release a new one every 3-4 years with these kind of hardware updates and keep backwards compatibility.
Once they have admitted that, they may as well just say Its better to get a gaming pc and call it a day..

Sure consoles like the wii can still go on "if they stop with the stupid gimmicks" But consoles are supposed to be for casual game play and children.. just hook it to your tv play some games for a hour or so then go out and play in the sun, or come home at midnight on a saturday after being in the pub, slap on some stupid game that needs no concentration keep on drinking and laugh at each other as you fail pitifully at dance master party mario kong.

there is no place for a console that wants to be a pc, that needs to be updated every few years if you want to play the newest games at the highest settings. we have had something that fills that section of the market for decades Its called a Personal computer "AKA A PC!"

 

[Darkdayzzz]

Wrong on many levels

i dont see the point. Unless you are making a new console WITH backwards compatibility then there is no reall reason to upgrade the hardware.
the only thing that will happen is what has been happening for years any way..
they will make a game for the lowest common denominator and then port it. I say they should just admit current gen consoles were never going to last like the master race told them and make a new gen of consoles.

After they decide thats the best course of action, they need to snap out of it and admit that to really be worth it they need to release a new one every 3-4 years with these kind of hardware updates and keep backwards compatibility.
Once they have admitted that, they may as well just say Its better to get a gaming pc and call it a day..

Sure consoles like the wii can still go on "if they stop with the stupid gimmicks" But consoles are supposed to be for casual game play and children.. just hook it to your tv play some games for a hour or so then go out and play in the sun, or come home at midnight on a saturday after being in the pub, slap on some stupid game that needs no concentration keep on drinking and laugh at each other as you fail pitifully at dance master party mario kong.

there is no place for a console that wants to be a pc, that needs to be updated every few years if you want to play the newest games at the highest settings. we have had something that fills that section of the market for decades Its called a Personal computer "AKA A PC!"

So I joined literally to disprove this nonsense...sorry no offense but most of whats here in this quote is downright wrong.

1- Consoles are NOT for casual gamers only, i own a very good gaming pc and I use my console about 50% of the time due to my friends playing there rather than pc more often than not. So in that regard I disagree with your statement.

2- Consoles are a PC with a modified OS running on them, if MS gave us the xbox one OS we could put that onto an SSD into our computer and probably make it run, they wont do that but thats all the xbox one (same with the ps4) are.

3- Backwards compatibility is actually a challenge to make run properly on newer hardware with the custom OS that xbone and ps4 run, that is the only reason it was difficult and didnt exist at launch or for a good deal afterwards.

4- Consoles have there place in the gaming world whether we PC players like it or not; key point for that - moving a PC to another room can be a chore when you have to move your keyboard / mouse / undo wires if they are routed behind the desk / etc...versus me unplugging my xbox one, taking it to my tv in the other room, placing it on the desk and plugging it in, boom done in all of a minute. Significantly easier than moving all of my pc stuff to the other room.

5- Last point on this - You said "But consoles are supposed to be for casual game play and children.. just hook it to your tv play some games for a hour or so then go out and play in the sun, etc etc" but that is downright arrogant thinking. Why are consoles for children or casuals? And why exactly do they not the right to play for hours with friends versus doing that exact same thing on a pc? Atleast make your points valid and not the rambles of someone who doesnt like consoles one bit and wants them all to be killed off and everyone drop 1k money, give or take, to run 1080p at max (not even getting into 1440 or 4k res) - thats for monitor(s) / keyboard and mouse / a desk maybe / a chair thats comfortable...etc.

So yeah thats my take on your seemingly childish explanation on why consoles are "so bad"..... enjoy! Im off never to return!

 

[shambles1980]

1. they are for casual games and children, they always have been. but they are trying to change that. and whilst trying to do that end up making consoles more like computers which defeats the point in a console.
Having friends that play on consoles and so you do too does not mean its not for casual gamers and kids. it just means most of your friends chose a platform that is for casual gamers or kids.

consoles used to be perfect great for casuals and kids because of no updates, no internet needed. plug in and go. slit screen multiplayer, or one screen multiplayer like bomber man etc. But they have removed a lot of those features. making them less accessible to the casual gamers and kids. which is stupid. no one wants to hook up a console then wait an hour for an update. it defeats the point of even having one "thats why i dont have one"

2. see point1. prior to the 1st xbox consoles were still consoles. and the 1st xbox was the one to start dragging them down the path of mini dedicated computer.
Having a computer means you can do anything you want on it. where as a xbox was locked down to gaming, although we used to modify them and then the were great because you could do things on them like run emulators "which you could do on a pc any way, without mods"

3. backwards compatibility on a pc is really only limited to the what bits it or the installer runs at.. a 64bit system for example can run 32bit or 64 bit. . a 32 bit can do 32 or 16. and a 16 bit can do 16 or 8bit. so i can play any 32 bit or 64 bit game i want on my pc, which is backwards compatible 0 problems. if i want to use a 16bit game then it is possible via emulation. So no issues here with backwards compatible games. hell i can even play some console games or classic computers like a zx spectrum or c64/amiga via emulation, so given that your argument is a console is a pc. then there is no reason why they cant be backwards compatible. the old ps3 was backwards compatible using hardware, then the second version was compatible via emulation chip. then they decided to just not bother.

4. like i said i see a wii having its place in the gaming world as it at least understands what a console is supposed to be, as for the moving of com,puters.,, personally i do not get this argument. i have a dual cpu server system in the living room my wife uses that one and it is capable of gaming at mid/low settings 1080p 60fps (probably better than your console) i have my main gaming system upstairs which is Much better than your console. And then i have my media system which is connected to the tv, this is only a dual core system with lower end hd 6xxx gpu. It is not designed for gaming at all. but it could play games if i wanted to on it. Also I have a laptop in the kitchen (my wife also has one that she keeps behind the sofa)
I can share my steam sames with every one of these computers and laptops. either by using the friends and family feature. or by having the same account logged in on multiple systems.
Even if i did not have all these systems, a decent gaming laptop is easily just as or even more mobile than a console. and with wireless controllers and steam big picture can connect to and sit under the tv in any room i want. and even in any room that does not have a tv, or on a car journey "provided you remember to set steam to offline mode before you lose the internet"
so your argument of moving a console around is inavild because it is no where near as accessible as a good gaming laptop. and even if it was as accessible (which it isnt), it is no where near as versatile.

5. Consoles always have been for casual gamers and kids. its just the facts of the matter..
And as you brought up money..
If you were to go on ebay now and pick up second hand but fully working components and build a pc. Whilst buying a brand new psu and hard drive because theres no point going second hand on a psu and hard drive. And you also wanted to buy a brand new vive. You could do that and buy everthing to make the pc capable of running the vive for less than £1400.. if you dont want the brand new vive, then you can make a VR ready PC for less than £700.
if you just want a computer thats the same spec or a bit better than an xbox one. brand new in parts your looking at about £300 But you can do so much more with it than just play games.

And one last point. the money thing you brought up is a pointer to the fact that the console mfrs still know consoles are for casual gamers and kids..
they make them cost as little as possible because parents can buy them for kids, and the casual gamers dont mind spending the money knowing they will only play it a few times a week, and they should have a long life span.

But as we have seen, consoles just arent up to scratch and cannot keep up with current hardware. hardware progresses much faster these days than it used to when consoles were king (8-16bit era) so they are being forced to release new ugraded versions every few years. which is the Final nail in the console coffin.

It used to be you could but a console and say:
"i dont want a pc, as i dont want to have to update all my games. i just want them to work"
thats gone away now.
"i dont want a pc because they are really expensive"
Cant really argue that now either as you can get a decent (not great) 1080p 60fps system for a few hundred £
"i dont want a pc, because i like to play on the tv with a controller"
that went away years ago.
"i dont want a pc and have to install my games and need the space on a hard disk"
Again thats gone away.
Which only left:
"i dont want a pc and have to upgrade every few years to play the newest games at the highest settings"
and now that has gone away too.
you will undoubtedly argue, but we can still play the newest games on the old console at lower settings...
But No you cant argue that. because that argument wasnt good enough for you when pc users told you that..

So what you have ended up with is 1 reason. 1 Final reason why you want a console. and that reason is.
"my friends play these games on consoles so i do too"
And that is no reason to hinder your self with all the bad points of pc gaming. for less performance more expensive games. less exclusives, less choice and less versatility..

and if you think My argument was childish.
to have the argument "i do it because my friends do it" is the most childish argument in the books.