Police Foil "mass shooting" plot at Pokemon World Championships

[NeverBackDown]

Exactly, America as it is today was formed around weapons and as long as there is money in selling weapons America will have a problem.

I know it's in the constitution that "A well trained militia can have weapons" i.e bear arms but your ordinary everyday citizen is not part of a well trained militia even with a license and it could be amended hence the word, Amendment, Meaning, To change.

Plus massacre at least the way my cousin explained it is at least 2 people dead, Not injured but dead plus the very meaning of the word massacre means "an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people i.e killings or murder" not "Someone was injured and got a bruised knee".

No, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is the Right to Bear Arms and the Right to have a Regulated Militia and shall not be infringed upon by the governing body. Not just Militia having the right to bear arms, all US citizens have the right so long as you obtain a license. While it is an Amendment, it's also part of the Bill of Rights, which means to Amend it any way would take 2/3 Vote in both the US Senate and House Of Reps, a Presidential Signing and at least 38 States vote. It's a heck of a lot of work. Also nearly impossible due to the Citizens as a whole favor having this right, and since the Gov is representing us, they therefore cannot defy our opinions and if they did it would cause extreme chaos... So no they won't address it until they have to.

Not to get political, but I am against changing the the 2nd Amendment. We have the Constitutional Right, which can't be amended, to overthrow and replace our current government. Take away our guns and weapons and what power are we left with? Just voices.. What does that lead to? Nothing really. Takes a couple shots into a crowd and everyone shuts up. Yes you can argue that a voice is just as powerful, however now a days with people rather voicing opinions through social media than in person, doubt it would change anything.

While things like this are bound to happen in any country, It's sad we have people willing to do this. I think it's more of a mental/psychological problem than it has to do with a weapon. No sane person willingly goes out to kill people just because.

 

[Kushiro]

No, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is the Right to Bear Arms and the Right to have a Regulated Militia and shall not be infringed upon by the governing body. Not just Militia having the right to bear arms, all US citizens have the right so long as you obtain a license. While it is an Amendment, it's also part of the Bill of Rights, which means to Amend it any way would take 2/3 Vote in both the US Senate and House Of Reps, a Presidential Signing and at least 38 States vote. It's a heck of a lot of work. Also nearly impossible due to the Citizens as a whole favor having this right, and since the Gov is representing us, they therefore cannot defy our opinions and if they did it would cause extreme chaos... So no they won't address it until they have to.

Not to get political, but I am against changing the the 2nd Amendment. We have the Constitutional Right, which can't be amended, to overthrow and replace our current government. Take away our guns and weapons and what power are we left with? Just voices.. What does that lead to? Nothing really. Takes a couple shots into a crowd and everyone shuts up. Yes you can argue that a voice is just as powerful, however now a days with people rather voicing opinions through social media than in person, doubt it would change anything.

While things like this are bound to happen in any country, It's sad we have people willing to do this. I think it's more of a mental/psychological problem than it has to do with a weapon. No sane person willingly goes out to kill people just because.

I can see where you are coming from, however there are 2 sides to every coin.

If people turn to weapons A.K.A violence for every solution, what are we left with? Crime in the US at the moment is just as bad as undeveloped Countries in some places.

People need to think about what power their 'Guns' actually give them. If someone were to draw up a table of risks and rewards, it will certainly be more risk than reward. Having a gun simply means you have one and the people you are going to use them against will likely also have one and will likely end up increasing collateral damage when there is a conflict.

Though in the end I do understand that the world is far from ideal, there are simply no guarantees. I know life can be difficult in the US.

 

[Ephruz]

Friends from that area tell me that you don't know what you're doing if you expect to get away with anything in the Hynes Convention Center. When you look at the known information about the people who attempted this attack, a lot of them concluded they were people from out of state.

 

[Dawelio]

Yeah, it might be historical treasure but those amendments need updating.

Some have seen this no doubt, but it just shows how crazy some Americans are towards owning guns. Notice I said "some" and not all guys before you tear my head off in retaliation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg

Oh my... this guy is utterly retarded, no other words for it.

 

[Wraith]

You only have to look at our history of gun violence, the Dunblane massacre in 1996 which lead to total amnesty in the UK. Also the Port Arthur incident in Australia again in 1996, which was dealt with via voluntary amnesty or buy back process.. very successful. It took just one major incident in both countries for the governments to say this needs to stop, the problem in the US as NeverBackDown pointed out is that the Constitution is so deeply ingrained into its culture it's damn near impossible to fix, even with a majority vote and support from all sides you then have political hurdles with congress, then the NRA who are powerful within Washington and all those who would appose.

It's tricky indeed, my thoughts would be tighter restrictions on which type of guns and who can hold a license. Assault, automatic, large caliber should not be in public hands, I'm a firm believer that if it was designed for military use that is where it should stay, I would never infringe on someones rights but common sense has to prevail and some form of sensible common ground needs to be reached.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I can see where you are coming from, however there are 2 sides to every coin.

If people turn to weapons A.K.A violence for every solution, what are we left with? Crime in the US at the moment is just as bad as undeveloped Countries in some places.

Debatable and not always the case. It really depends on what you are looking at since many countries have different views on what crime is. So the reporting figures don't always tell the story. In many cases US is equal to about every other 1st world country when it comes to crime. However, we are towards the worst in crimes related to firearms, for example compared to the UK, we have a 4x higher firearm crime rate per 100,000 people. But also keep in mind the US also has nearly 5x the amount of people living in the US. Which means it's proportionate or if anything compared to the UK, slightly better. Deaths related to firearms I have no clue as I haven't found much legit data on that. What makes it worse is that many firearms deaths are related to gang on gang firefights and not murders, etc.

People need to think about what power their 'Guns' actually give them. If someone were to draw up a table of risks and rewards, it will certainly be more risk than reward. Having a gun simply means you have one and the people you are going to use them against will likely also have one and will likely end up increasing collateral damage when there is a conflict.

Though in the end I do understand that the world is far from ideal, there are simply no guarantees. I know life can be difficult in the US.

I do agree there are two sides, however it's really personal opinion. As someone who lives in the US and near one of the most gang infested cities in the country, firearms are the best way to keep your family safe. They are used for defensive purposes most of the time or at a range. It's not like people carry them in public. That's actually illegal in most states. Only ones where you can afaik are in Texas and Georgia provided you have a license. The real problem isn't the firearm. It's the people who use them with bad intentions. Which again is mainly do to gang on gang encounters which can lead to innocent collateral damage.


Life is hard in the US in some cases, it's also hard for other countries as well in some other areas. Just how life is. Like you said, (paraphrasing) no perfect solutions exist.

You only have to look at our history of gun violence, the Dunblane massacre in 1996 which lead to total amnesty in the UK. Also the Port Arthur incident in Australia again in 1996, which was dealt with via voluntary amnesty or buy back process.. very successful. It took just one major incident in both countries for the governments to say this needs to stop, the problem in the US as NeverBackDown pointed out is that the Constitution is so deeply ingrained into its culture it's damn near impossible to fix, even with a majority vote and support from all sides you then have political hurdles with congress, then the NRA who are powerful within Washington and all those who would appose.

It's tricky indeed, my thoughts would be tighter restrictions on which type of guns and who can hold a license. Assault, automatic, large caliber should not be in public hands, I'm a firm believer that if it was designed for military use that is where it should stay, I would never infringe on someones rights but common sense has to prevail and some form of sensible common ground needs to be reached.

Ya the Constitution is very much so ingrained in our Culture. We did fight to gain our independence and the Constitution was a result of the revolt to govern our country(after the first failed Articles of Confederation). So it's been with the US since nearly the start, so as you said, it's really ingrained with everyone. Fixing it isn't the right word, it's more of improving. It's really dated and while it holds true to some values, some areas could be improved but doing so is next to impossible. As soon as anything is put forward, our Supreme Court would instantly call it Unconstitutional and immediately it would be discarded. Nothing we can do tbh. Also don't trust anyone to create or improve it do to corrupt powers. Amendments are really the only thing we can change. It's just so hard to change them. What's even harder to change is the people's mindset. That's the big hurdle. If it somehow changed, you think Texan's are going to give up their guns? LMAO they will die for that right. It's going to be never ending.