MeltedDuron
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Proposed legislation aimed at reducing online copyright infringement has been published by Ofcom, as part of their new duties under the Digital Economy Act 2010.
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Ofcom unveil their new anti-piracy policy
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Ive just been talking about this with VB.
If this happened no one would need 20MB broadband or 1tb+ hard drives would they!
Might aswell get 2mb broadband again lmao!
If this happened no one would need 20MB broadband or 1tb+ hard drives would they!
Might aswell get 2mb broadband again lmao!
They don't have a choice to go along with it or not but the system is flawed in one very specific manner. It CANNOT see through an encrypted VPN or SSH tunnel, which at £3/mo is much cheaper than the potential costs of a lawsuit from a movie studio who decided they haven't made enough money yet.
Instead of bringing in new and revolutionary copyright law with intelligent media distribution systems that would undermine the benefits of piracy- thereby reducing it (it's impossible to eradicate), they have re-introduced the old draconian laws with further power to punish the citizens who cannot or do not comply to the existing system defined by the people distributing the media (not necessarily those creating it). Under said digital copyright act you are still breaking the law by copying a CD you own (technically rent) to your portable media player or PC. By sharing your media over your network with your friends or family you are again breaking the law. Playing your music in the garden? Public performance - breaking the law.
We have gone from an era when music was shared and used to lift spirits and bring together communities to an era where communities who distribute music can ruin the lives of those enjoy music but cannot afford the ongoing and increasing costs demanded. This is indeed a government working for the people. /sarc
Instead of bringing in new and revolutionary copyright law with intelligent media distribution systems that would undermine the benefits of piracy- thereby reducing it (it's impossible to eradicate), they have re-introduced the old draconian laws with further power to punish the citizens who cannot or do not comply to the existing system defined by the people distributing the media (not necessarily those creating it). Under said digital copyright act you are still breaking the law by copying a CD you own (technically rent) to your portable media player or PC. By sharing your media over your network with your friends or family you are again breaking the law. Playing your music in the garden? Public performance - breaking the law.
We have gone from an era when music was shared and used to lift spirits and bring together communities to an era where communities who distribute music can ruin the lives of those enjoy music but cannot afford the ongoing and increasing costs demanded. This is indeed a government working for the people. /sarc
Brooksie
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Exactly, nowa days you have to pay a very expensive license just to play the radio in a shop (like a barbers)
This sort of thing is pathetic. I torrent, but what I do torrent makes the difference. I usually download TV shows that have aired in USA but not the UK.
Are they going to check how much data you're transferring? What about the people that download off iTunes etc?
This sort of thing is pathetic. I torrent, but what I do torrent makes the difference. I usually download TV shows that have aired in USA but not the UK.
Are they going to check how much data you're transferring? What about the people that download off iTunes etc?
siravarice
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It is very silly. I go on isohunt or piratebay and there are the files to millions of illegal downloads. Why do they not just target these sites? They must be really stupid.
name='siravarice' said:
You must be stupid to ask that question with no obvious knowledge of current events or international law.
Various industries who don't understand how Bittorrenting works are targeting the trackers like The Pirate Bay and have been for years. They get a court order to shut it down, TBP moves elsewhere where the law doesn't apply. If it changes they move again. One country's law doesn't apply internationally. If you want to start filtering sites like those then you're talking about a country-wide firewall en-par with China, in which case you are restricting civil liberties and it opens the door for abuse on a wide scale. Not to mention the potential costs.
Even if they do take down the tracker sites that doesn't stop the torrents working due to technologies like DHT and PEX which allow users to continue transferring even if the tracker/scraper is not available. Tech geeks will always be one step ahead of the law and will always find a way to sidestep into a corridor of never ending 'grey areas'. To me the cost of chasing these people seems completely stupid compared to the benefits that could be gained from fixing a system which cannot apply to the internet or indeed a digital age.
siravarice
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Didn't know that XD thanks for clarifying. I've always wondered about why they struggle so much to catch the providers and I've always thought there are many simple ways for doing so. The fact that it's illegal should be enough to shut it down instantly. If I murder someone I get arrested and stuck in jail straight away awaiting trial, it should be the same for this.
yeah but sira relating this to murder is abit overboard, if i get caught with some ganja i shud go to prison but they usually just throw it away ie;they got bigger fish to fry
. There always going to be a way around it, for example the 400k threshhold, this just allows new service providers to come into the market and not overstep this value therefor ofcom cant do shit. Although i wud like to no a way around virgin media
. There always going to be a way around it, for example the 400k threshhold, this just allows new service providers to come into the market and not overstep this value therefor ofcom cant do shit. Although i wud like to no a way around virgin mediaComparing it to murder is a bit of an overstep, murder is a moral wrongdoing; you are ending the life of another, this is not even comparable. You really mustn't let fear driven propaganda dictate what becomes law, it's exactly what happened in the banning of Mephedrone and as we recently found out it was a completely unfounded claim in the case of the deaths used in the banning of the drug. We mustn't let fear drive what should be entirely scientific and logical decision making. Similarly in this case it was a rather dodgy deal when the process is not transparent and the MP (Darth Mandelson) in charge of making the case was being wined and dined by the head of a pro-copyright organisation on a private yacht. How are the public supposed to trust the decision when it looks to be so one-sided?
Toejam:
Like I say; the one flaw I pointed out right away was how easy the system is to bypass if you tunnel your traffic elsewhere. If you don't mind limited bandwidth then systems like TOR (The Onion Router) Network are easy and simple methods to become anonymous on the Internet and if you would like to keep the majority of your bandwidth whilst maintaining a higher level of privacy you can tunnel your net traffic through an encrypted tunnel to another location. Plenty of these services are starting up and would you guess it they tunnel you to a country where the law doesn't apply. You can't ban these services for the same reason you can't ban Bittorrent traffic- many people use it for VERY legitimate purposes and they do not promote any illegal activity.
Toejam:
Like I say; the one flaw I pointed out right away was how easy the system is to bypass if you tunnel your traffic elsewhere. If you don't mind limited bandwidth then systems like TOR (The Onion Router) Network are easy and simple methods to become anonymous on the Internet and if you would like to keep the majority of your bandwidth whilst maintaining a higher level of privacy you can tunnel your net traffic through an encrypted tunnel to another location. Plenty of these services are starting up and would you guess it they tunnel you to a country where the law doesn't apply. You can't ban these services for the same reason you can't ban Bittorrent traffic- many people use it for VERY legitimate purposes and they do not promote any illegal activity.
mayhem
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Pll will just get mobile broadband. Down laod what they need off that and then Dump the Sim card afterwards. Simple as thet.
Who they gonna trace it to if you pay cash !
You cannot stop copy write infrigment and i can see Piggy backing , fake packets ect ect all starting become the norm with all the prog's that allows for this.
They are fighing a loosing war beauce the more they push the better Tech is deved to stop ppl from being caught. How about using that money to get people off the streets and help the disabled instead maybe then they can pat them self on the back afterwards and say they done a good deed for the years ...
Who they gonna trace it to if you pay cash !
You cannot stop copy write infrigment and i can see Piggy backing , fake packets ect ect all starting become the norm with all the prog's that allows for this.
They are fighing a loosing war beauce the more they push the better Tech is deved to stop ppl from being caught. How about using that money to get people off the streets and help the disabled instead maybe then they can pat them self on the back afterwards and say they done a good deed for the years ...
As mayhem says, as soon as the 3G/4G networks get better (and replace the aging copper layout that BT have), more people will be using untraceable, disposable sims. Until that point, anyone with any idea of what they are doing (i.e. the people probably doing most pirating) will hop on VPNs and tunnel their way through.
After that there are all sorts of data encryption services and anonymizers will flourish. In the end they will nail twelve year old kids downloading a single track or something, whilst pirates will continue to copy terabytes of data. Its like the UK's drug policy, nail people at the very bottom, because they are easy to catch, illegalise anything you can and then act surprised that people are selling kilos of coke with virtual impunity.
They are also going to have problems getting the fines out of people (I mean what if someone has 20,000 illegal tracks, and can't access £20mil?) I'd much prefer to see all the money that goes into this sort of fruitless venture go into catching real criminals, murderers and rapists and what not.
After that there are all sorts of data encryption services and anonymizers will flourish. In the end they will nail twelve year old kids downloading a single track or something, whilst pirates will continue to copy terabytes of data. Its like the UK's drug policy, nail people at the very bottom, because they are easy to catch, illegalise anything you can and then act surprised that people are selling kilos of coke with virtual impunity.
They are also going to have problems getting the fines out of people (I mean what if someone has 20,000 illegal tracks, and can't access £20mil?) I'd much prefer to see all the money that goes into this sort of fruitless venture go into catching real criminals, murderers and rapists and what not.
That's precisely it and the problem is all the money will be wasted at a time when we really should not be wasting money.. but where did the advice come from on this policy? Movie and Music industry representatives who have held the (rather ludicrous) view that one pirated download = one lost sale and therefore getting rid of the pirates fixes the economy and their failing business model. I call BS.
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This will decrease the amount of piracy and illegal downloads for sure, which isn't a problem for me, but there is flaws in it ofc. I could easily get around 40 people accused of downloading illegal material without having to be near their home or wireless internet. I can pretend to be them and download data on their connection free of charge and have their speed. This costs me £0 and can be done for £20 for the price of a modem, there would be no way they could find out it was me.
But let's leave that for laters.
But let's leave that for laters.
andiflower
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hi
broadband play thie important life, in turn service provider gives the better service
broadband play thie important life, in turn service provider gives the better service
name='Youngie1337' said:
But as I've mentioned there is no guarantee this will increase sales or help their financial situation, whereas the same money spent on a better (more independent and more fairly priced) digital distribution system definitely would. Fortunately for them the money for this system is not coming from them but the taxpayer themselves. We're paying to be accused.
alienware
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I hardly download anything any more. In Jun 08 I lost a 500gb hard drive full up with crap and lost it all.
A lot of that crap was rips of stuff I own. For example, South Park. I own loads of box sets on DVD but I like having them in Media player as series of Divx. Instead of ripping it all myself I had downloaded it.
Any way, I decided to call the software companies bluff and started buying games, just to be legit. They keep whining about loss of sales (but never taking into account that a GOOD 60% of people who download their games would NEVER buy it because they are just leechers. They probably don't even install it, just acting on their habitual OCD). A large % of the rest wouldn't pay for it any way. I remember stopping by a website where they were openly downloading films and talking about it and one peanut said -
My download keeps stopping. Bastards, well I ain't paying for it.
It's the attitude.
Thing is, most of it is kids. And kids don't have any money.
So yeah, I buy 95% of my games now any way, nice to have a backup. Hilarity is of course I end up running a NODVD on them so I don't have to faff around putting the disc in. See also my genuine DVD and CD collection.
Recently I decided to replace all of my South Park DIVX so I grabbed seasons 1-13 and the rest of 14. As soon as I did I got an email from O2 and a phone call whining at me to cut down my usage.
The funny part? I am on a BT connection for O2. So I get crap speeds. I have had it since last October and for five months I was lucky to get 1mb. Seriously, it was that bad and worse. Some nights I would get about 0.23mb and couldn't even use Youtube. As soon as it finally did start working at around 4mb I do some catching up and they come moaning to me.
So much for unthrottled, no caps, no limit downloading for £27 a month for up to 6m.
Since then I have just been sitting here waiting for the contract to end. I got the best and their service has been the worst. As soon as the contract is up I will get the cheapeast crappiest broadband I can. No point in paying loads for Facebook and a few forums.
A lot of that crap was rips of stuff I own. For example, South Park. I own loads of box sets on DVD but I like having them in Media player as series of Divx. Instead of ripping it all myself I had downloaded it.
Any way, I decided to call the software companies bluff and started buying games, just to be legit. They keep whining about loss of sales (but never taking into account that a GOOD 60% of people who download their games would NEVER buy it because they are just leechers. They probably don't even install it, just acting on their habitual OCD). A large % of the rest wouldn't pay for it any way. I remember stopping by a website where they were openly downloading films and talking about it and one peanut said -
My download keeps stopping. Bastards, well I ain't paying for it.
It's the attitude.
Thing is, most of it is kids. And kids don't have any money.
So yeah, I buy 95% of my games now any way, nice to have a backup. Hilarity is of course I end up running a NODVD on them so I don't have to faff around putting the disc in. See also my genuine DVD and CD collection.
Recently I decided to replace all of my South Park DIVX so I grabbed seasons 1-13 and the rest of 14. As soon as I did I got an email from O2 and a phone call whining at me to cut down my usage.
The funny part? I am on a BT connection for O2. So I get crap speeds. I have had it since last October and for five months I was lucky to get 1mb. Seriously, it was that bad and worse. Some nights I would get about 0.23mb and couldn't even use Youtube. As soon as it finally did start working at around 4mb I do some catching up and they come moaning to me.
So much for unthrottled, no caps, no limit downloading for £27 a month for up to 6m.
Since then I have just been sitting here waiting for the contract to end. I got the best and their service has been the worst. As soon as the contract is up I will get the cheapeast crappiest broadband I can. No point in paying loads for Facebook and a few forums.
alienware
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name='Deshman' said:
It won't help their sales. That's a given. People will simply stop downloading the games.
People who are prepared to pay for things pay for things. People with the attitude that smacks of "I ain't paying for it" simply won't pay for it. They won't bother with it, either.
It's that old cliche. You are walking down the road and you see a pile of £20 notes. Of course you are going to pick them up. Some one offers you the same ammount in cash for shovelling pig crap? You'd be a bit more cautious of the money.
However the companies leading the assault (Activision and EA) can just bite my hairy bum. I am not going to buy their games because they are no longer games. They are money making devices designed by a corporate machine who care bugger all if the game is actually any good or not. See the latest C&C.
At the moment I will happily pay for titles from a few companies. Bethesda/Obsidian is one. I just hope they don't get all greedy and piggy and dissapear up their own bum like EA and Activision have.
My pre order of the New Vegas collector's edition went through tonight. $69.99 and then whatever to get it sent by Fedex. Considering that Fallout 3 was so good and I am still playing it nearly two years later (4th playthrough with all DLC active) then I consider that to be a complete bargain of a lifetime.
