OC3D Review: Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC & Killer K1 Network Cards

Greetings from Bigfoot Networks!

First, I wanted to thank XMS and the Overclock3d team for completing our first UK review of the Killer NIC. We thought it was a fair, concise, and constructive piece of work; and greatly appreciate the effort that went into writing it.

As a Bigfoot employee that works closely with all departments in our company, I thought I'd jump on and respond to a few of the comments we've seen, as well as make myself available for any questions you all may have about the Killer.

I guess we can start with some of the comments by Equk :D :

name='equk' said:
The more of bigfoot networks advertising I read, the more I think they are playing on dumb users to buy their product. A lot of it could be seen as false advertising aswell.

Playing on dumb users? Actually, users such as yourself are generally our target market...tech savvy, understand innovation, appreciate off-loading, etc.

name='equk' said:
1. Who's computer grinds to a halt when downloading :confused:

2. It might not slow down the computer but it will slow down the network

3. You gain nothing from using it and instead are limiting youself to the USB storage

1. Have you ever tried gaming while downloading bit torrents? The entire reason we wrote FN Torrent was to allow gamers to use their computer for more than just one thing at a time. I ask you to load up your favorite torrent program with 40 torrents and try to play your favorite game....if all of them are running / seeding, you'll probably have a tough time getting a kill. In reality, the QoS built into the card will always prioritize your gaming (UDP) packets both inbound and outbound, so any download will not interfere with your gaming.

2. True, if you exceed the bandwidth allotted by your ISP, it certainly would slow down the network. Our FN Torrent has a configurable bandwidth throttle to help prevent this from happening.

3. If by gain nothing, you mean giving yourself the ability to download torrents while gaming using zero host CPU resources, then you are correct. I don't really understand the 'limit yoursself to USB storage' comment, the same SATA hard drive in your computer can be placed into a USB drive case...or there are affordable stand-alone USB storage solutions out there.

name='equk' said:
A lot of 'their' apps are merely versions of scripts/apps that have been around on linux routers and systems for years.

"FN Firewall" - IPTables firewall :confused:

"PingThrottle™" - IPTables network throttling

Yes! You are correct, and that is what we find very exciting about the Killer NIC and it's Flexible Network Applications (FNA). With the Killer, you now have another (Linux) computer inside of your computer. Any Linux application can be ported to run on the Killer instead of your host CPU. Again, the idea is to free up CPU horsepower to run your games. We think that is 'merely' incredible, and an industry first.

name='equk' said:
Where is the source code :confused: can't see it on their website.

Which source code are you looking for? Our SDK / source is on our installation disk, I'm happy to link up the large download for it if anyone would like it.

At the end of the day, Kempez did sum it up best. This is server-class NIC technology, refined and reduced in cost for gamer consumers. It is built to combat lag, and to provide the smoothest game play possible on your computer. FNApps will continue to be released, both by Bigfoot and by open source developers, so the card continues to gain value over time. We don't know many pieces of hardware that can make that claim.

Again, we appreciate the time that Overclock3D and it's users have spent evaluating the Killer. I will monitor this thread and am happy to answer any questions you all may have.
 
name='davebfn' said:
1. Have you ever tried gaming while downloading bit torrents?

Generally I leave my downloading for night time when no one is on my network as I only have a 4mb ADSL connection.

It is normally the load on the connection that makes online gaming laggy, not the load on the pc or cpu.

I have played games offline while downloading stuff with no problems tho. It most deffinately doesn't "Grind to a halt" as on your advertisment, in fact there is next to no difference.

name='davebfn' said:
The entire reason we wrote FN Torrent was to allow gamers to use their computer for more than just one thing at a time.

Gamers computers atm are unable to run a bittorrent client (few kb of mem) while running a game?

name='davebfn' said:
I ask you to load up your favorite torrent program with 40 torrents and try to play your favorite game....if all of them are running / seeding, you'll probably have a tough time getting a kill. In reality, the QoS built into the card will always prioritize your gaming (UDP) packets both inbound and outbound, so any download will not interfere with your gaming.

I generally use the QoS built into my hardware firewall/router. So gaming is already at a higher priority than bittorrent etc.

I also haven't ever downloaded 40 torrents in the whole time of having a computer :confused: I normally stick to FTP/HTTP downloading than peer2peer as I don't really like seeding stuff.

name='davebfn' said:
2. True, if you exceed the bandwidth allotted by your ISP, it certainly would slow down the network. Our FN Torrent has a configurable bandwidth throttle to help prevent this from happening.

When you say bandwidth do you mean actual throughput (something which cannot be exceeded) or do you mean the download cap on your current contract (eg: 20gb cap). If you mean the download cap, how does the NIC stop that?

name='davebfn' said:
3. If by gain nothing, you mean giving yourself the ability to download torrents while gaming using zero host CPU resources, then you are correct. I don't really understand the 'limit yoursself to USB storage' comment, the same SATA hard drive in your computer can be placed into a USB drive case...or there are affordable stand-alone USB storage solutions out there.

What I mean is, downloading and gaming is no hard task for the average gamer system. So you don't gain anything.

name='davebfn' said:
Yes! You are correct, and that is what we find very exciting about the Killer NIC and it's Flexible Network Applications (FNA). With the Killer, you now have another (Linux) computer inside of your computer. Any Linux application can be ported to run on the Killer instead of your host CPU. Again, the idea is to free up CPU horsepower to run your games. We think that is 'merely' incredible, and an industry first.

The applications you could run would be very small (the Killer NIC is 333mhz with 64mb RAM & 16MB Flash?) and in that sense would not change or help the way a system performs in games very much.

The "linux system inside your system" would be a 333mhz system. Similar to the spec of a router. It is also quite fitting that you can connect via busybox.

name='davebfn' said:
At the end of the day, Kempez did sum it up best. This is server-class NIC technology, refined and reduced in cost for consumers. It is built to combat lag, and to provide the smoothest game play possible on your computer. FNApps will continue to be released, both by Bigfoot and by open source developers, so the card continues to gain value over time. We don't know many pieces of hardware that can make that claim.

Again, we appreciate the time that Overclock3D and it's users have spent evaluating the Killer. I will monitor this thread and am happy to answer any questions you all may have.

I think the main thing is that a cheap router can do everything (network wise) the card can do and more (in that it will control multiple clients).

That and the cost involved means it is not really a viable solution for anyone. Whether you're a gamer or not.

In FPS terms, most games will run over 60fps. Most TFT monitors run at 60hz and so only render 60fps. So gaining 1-10fps (for £100) isn't really that much of a benefit.

I'm not sure if you have seen our other discussion on the Killer NIC in the specialtech forum.

Click here for other discussion
 
Thanks for jumping in Dave, some good answers there.

I have a question for you on the Linux subject... Ur saying I could run a linux super pi on the Killer? That's 1337 :D Can the Killers CPU be overclocked if someone were to write a software based nix clock adjuster? Just thinking of possibilities... Maybe one more thing in your comp to watercool eh?
 
name='FragTek' said:
Thanks for jumping in Dave, some good answers there.

I have a question for you on the Linux subject... Ur saying I could run a linux super pi on the Killer? That's 1337 :D Can the Killers CPU be overclocked if someone were to write a software based nix clock adjuster? Just thinking of possibilities... Maybe one more thing in your comp to watercool eh?

haha :D ;)
 
That'd give ya all the braggin' rights eh?

"My NIC is OC'd and watercooled, is yours?" *in uber antagonizing voice*
 
name='FragTek' said:
That'd give ya all the braggin' rights eh?

"My NIC is OC'd and watercooled, is yours?" *in uber antagonizing voice*

lol

I am teh ownz0r, my NIC is watercooled and overclocked to 667mhz :rolleyes:
 
@ Dave, so your saying its easier for gamers (usualy cheap guys who have other PCs laying around) to buy this card instead of take your own free parts and make your own Linux server? Im sorry, i have a server that would do everything your talking about right now. Not only that, i wouldnt want to fill up my PCI bus on other cards when i have 2 gigabit built in ethernets on my mobo.
 
Well with all said and done, I do like the idea of a gaming network card, but it is far to expensive. It is only for the people with the best ISP, PC etc and hair doo really. Id rather spend the £ on fixing my PC cause im on this crappy P3 450mHz atm lol.
 
I guess it's fair to say no one will be buying one of these cards then ;)

Where did dave from bigfoot networks go?
 
Not to mention, any server with the same specs (Including a modded Xbox) can do the same thing, cept better cause it has its own HD and its completely out of your PC not taking up any bandwidth. 40 torrents? Bam, my server does it. Dedicated game? Bam, server does it and dosent lag friends. Anything they say this card can do, a cheap server with the same specs can do better for the price of the cheap crap you got layin around. Thats my legit reason why i wouldnt buy it, and its pointless to have.
 
Damn I was hoping bigfoot networks would maybe follow up our questions etc

Rather than just posting based on the mis-leading advertising :( guess dave was a 1post wonder :confused:
 
Aye, really, you should be patient. If it gets to about a week before he replies, then I would start wondering

Anyways... too expensive for me. I'm perfectly happy with onboard
 
name='XMS' said:
Your point being?

My point being, I'm not asking for him to answer in the weekend :( & he could've answered yesterday or even the day before :confused:

Altho admittedly I did think it was posted earlier in the week when I first posted my reply. Despite that I'm still thinking there will be no more replies to the post by bigfoot networks.
 
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