OC3D Review: Asus GTX465

[Rastalovich]

*sigh* you're getting boring now.

The definition is the same through out, as is the articles'. Premium cards were raised and stoopidly validated as correct by.. ooo let's guess.

The Eyefinity 6 isn't designed for professionals or rendering farms.

Not very good at this are you ?

 

[tinytomlogan]

Right thats enough now boys.

 

[w3bbo]

Valid points on both sides tbh.

 

[Diablo]

Dissapointed by Nvidia's offerings. I was hoping this would come in at the 5830's ideal price point (about £180 ish) and have competition there. Lack of competition means ATI can set their own price tags.

Much as I like CUDA (and am very annoyed that crossfire, eyefinity and hybrid physx won't play together) it isn't enough to make me buy a less powerful chip.

 

[AMDFTW]

so for gaming at 1920*1080 with my system what would be better a gtx 465 or a 470 as in for performance and future proofing?

 

[tinytomlogan]

so for gaming at 1920*1080 with my system what would be better a gtx 465 or a 470 as in for performance and future proofing?

deffo not the 465 as its not great. 470 is 'ok' but is still very hot and loud

 

[Rastalovich]

so for gaming at 1920*1080 with my system what would be better a gtx 465 or a 470 as in for performance and future proofing?

At present, unless you're planning on customizing the cooling yourself, neither of these on shelf are good purchases.

It'd be worth w8ing for the custom offerings, the reference coolers on the complete 4xx line are arse gravy. Some of the customs are a bit outlandish, but they're a whole load better.

Even with the prices falling again this weekend, the performances and oc's are there to be had, particularly if you pay attention to release notifications - but the remaining factor is the poor cooler you're going to be stuck with.

You have the noise, you turn down the fan - you turn down the fan, the average heat goes up - yada yada.

Then again, if you give 2 Fs about the noise..

 

[AMDFTW]

i was planning on waiting on the gainward gOOd edition 470 to come out as that looks smart

 

[cl0ck_ed]

The GTX465 can be unlocked to a GTX470 in a few simple steps!! clicky

 

[tinytomlogan]

The GTX465 can be unlocked to a GTX470 in a few simple steps!! clicky

Im hearing that that was a few press samples they just chucked 465 bios on dude. I dont think its possible with the retail release cards.

 

[cl0ck_ed]

After further reading think you are right.

 

[AMDFTW]

arrrr that would of been awsome

 

[tinytomlogan]

arrrr that would of been awsome

Would have been terrible without watercooling.

 

[AMDFTW]

well yer but it would of been a cheaper alternative if it was stable etc etc

 

[Rastalovich]

The bizarre thing is that although there are samples that are merely bios swaps (almost but not quite), it's 'allegedly' possible to, instead of 465->470, create a '467.5' if you like.

The crazy thing about the samples you can exchange bioses with, the current usage is that of the 470 - which kinda mocks the power consumption samples of the 465 reviews.

They'd have to be all the pre-shipped samples sent out to reviewers. The reference on-the-shelf versions are out.

But - although I've seen the Palit coolers not fitted to the pcb, they are actually out and available for order from most stores. As is the Gigabyte dual fan offering that I haven't seen.

Neither of these have been reviewed afaik, and their figures would be interesting. Minus the coolers, the 4xx range is breaking records, which proves to me what a stoopid department nvidia-cooling-resources actually is.

How basic is a cooler ?

 

[timby]

I feel that more reviewers should mention not just FPS' but how smooth was the game play.

I still feel that ATI has the GPU of choice even though I've been an Nvidia fan for a long time. It's a gamers choice for those of us not wanting to lose our left nut for a new GPU.

 

[alienware]

Neither of these have been reviewed afaik, and their figures would be interesting. Minus the coolers, the 4xx range is breaking records, which proves to me what a stoopid department nvidia-cooling-resources actually is.

How basic is a cooler ?

TBH I would hazard a guess and say that the coolers Nvidia are using on the 480 would cost quite a pretty penny to have made. And they wouldn't have done that for any other reason than as a desperate attempt to reign in temps and get the cards out. I would also hazard a guess that the cooler design and attempts to tame the inefficient design was what caused the 6-7 month delays. ATI had stolen the show before they even went to press with Fermi.

I find it gobsmackingly hard to believe that people are saying things like "Fermi is fine.. so long as you water cool it". Hang on a second, how many people actually water cool their graphics cards? How many would want to? and how many would know how to?

PC modders make up a tiny TINY minority of actual PC owners. PC world, for example, exists to cater to people who want to walk in and walk out with a product they can be happy with. How could any one go out and spend what the 480 costs knowing it then needs water cooling just to get it within acceptable temps? It's just crazy.

If I was one of those and I came home and plugged a 480 into my computer I would end up returning it thinking it was broken.

In answer to your question - how basic is a cooler ? it seems that no stock looking cooler would be good enough for Fermi.

Also, seeing as I am a noob here I would like to point something out.

I am not a fanboy of any brand or any specific item. I recently brought a 280 GTX and own an 8600 GTS SLI set up. I have Noctua, Arctic, Corsair, OCZ, Asrock, Asus and so on.

I'm not a brand whore and I don't favour any particular companies - I just want the best. Sometimes the best isn't the absolute fastest, or the most expensive, or the best single core card. It's everything a computer component should be.

So if people think I am bashing on Nvidia and want to keep replying to me defending their products? fine. But you really are wasting your time. Fermi is too hot, too expensive and completely inefficient. It's not just me saying that either it's any one who isn't completely blinded when they see the green logo. I have seen people wait 7 months for DX11 and then even when they read the truth about Fermi (IE - No ICs should ever be expected to go over 90c and live very long) STILL went out and brought it. And then sat and defended the noise and heat coming out of the back of their PC.

They actually deliberately pay far more for their electricity bill just to have an Nvidia card in their machine.

 

[alienware]

I feel that more reviewers should mention not just FPS' but how smooth was the game play.

Do you understand the basics of frames per second? Anything over about 27 minimum is fine. Some can see a difference in the higher figures (over 60, say) but some can't. Most of the reason people build ridiculously powered machines that can produce 100+ FPS either do it for bragging rights, longevity of their purchase (IE a machine that can run Fallout 3 at 100FPS should cover the mininums for a while to come) or because they are hyper sensitive (one in many thousands) who can actually tell a difference.

 

[timby]

Alien

I've watched tons of youtube reviews of various GPU's and even this review mentions that game play was smooth. This is the point I'm trying to make. Many of the new GPU's have nearly the same MAX/MIN FPS while gaming. I would like more reviewers to add whether they noticed stutter or jerky rendering in games. This is a very important factor when playing FPS'.

 

[alienware]

Alien

I've watched tons of youtube reviews of various GPU's and even this review mentions that game play was smooth. This is the point I'm trying to make. Many of the new GPU's have nearly the same MAX/MIN FPS while gaming. I would like more reviewers to add whether they noticed stutter or jerky rendering in games. This is a very important factor when playing FPS'.

Well I'm a little confused as to what you mean by smooth but there are so many factors in that.

CPU, ram, hard drive speeds and transfer rates, screen refresh rates and response times.

And then you even have the game itself. Some games are simply badly coded and will never be smooth no matter how good the hardware running them (see GTAIV).