OC3D Review ASUS EAH6970

See alot talk no real hard evidence

Take off the rose coloured specs. Look at my Vantage and heaven scores on a 470 and then compare them to the results with this overclocked 6970. Then go and look at the 570 review and watch how it utterly obliterates the 6970 as a single card. Then do some research and figure out the scores comparitively by using stated performance gains in SLI and Crossfire.

If you still can't work it out? well, not much more to say really. Just trying to help you out is all. Mind you, if you're absolutely dead set then I'm surely wasting my breath so I guess just go with what you want to go with.

As I said just think about it logically. Some times you don't need reviews or your hand held you can find the answers you need with a good old fashioned bit of investigation.
 
Easy tiger, each to their own methods.

It's a weird one for me tho, since I just spent some google time, why there aren't a good handful of 570 sli reviews.

I don't expect much more than the 480 sli reviews, but even so. Lack of benching, lack of results, lack of reviews. I don't think it's too early.
 
the only reason your vantage score is higher or "utterly obliterates" is because of the use of physx

because of physx, the cpu score is hugely inflated
 
Im sorry but if compare them on identical pc's with not just synthetic benchmarks also but some actual real life test in there that would be little more scientific also alot info out there is corporate sponsor pumped up stats
 
the only reason your vantage score is higher or "utterly obliterates" is because of the use of physx

I know I'm probably one of a few with this opinion, but I don't think it should be disabled.

I'd not insist the extra special additions to a Intel P4 HT be "disabled" when benched against a P3 to make fast calculations.
 
Easy tiger, each to their own methods.

It's a weird one for me tho, since I just spent some google time, why there aren't a good handful of 570 sli reviews.

I don't expect much more than the 480 sli reviews, but even so. Lack of benching, lack of results, lack of reviews. I don't think it's too early.

Indeed. TBH this is what I am trying to get across. No review or benchmark is really going to give you the answer. The very fact that reviews are usually done once and give you a pile of pics and figures doesn't usually equate to exacting performance in your computer, in your house in your bedroom. Each of the setups will have its positives and its drawbacks.

For example, these are just a few I have worked out from reading reviews.

Crossfire scales better (we all know that) and thus in reviews the 6970 will likely come out on top in 'scored' results.

SLI has a few advantages. Firstly you get CUDA and Physx thrown into the mix which again, will improve a good selection of games. Enabling Physx on say, Mafia 2 will bring the Radeons to a crawl. Running Just Cause 2 (which uses Havok for the physics engine and CUDA to increase performance) will bring out the best in a Geforce. Radeons are crap at Metro, ETC, ETC. Radeons are better at Stalker Pripyat, ETC ETC.

The 570 is cooler and quieter. It just goes on. For every disadvantage of one there is a disadvantage for the other. The sorts of questions he is asking, IE "Which is better?" is absolutely and utterly impossible to answer without being a mind reader. Only he knows what he wants and what he is looking for, and that could be a boat load of things.

Firstly if he wants to run Vantage a lot and do a bit of posing? the 6970CF will probably be the better option for boasting with (given the results against 580 CF).

If he's into folding? no brainer.

If he likes Just Cause 2 and loves a bit of Physx goodness? no brainer.

It just seems to me from what I can gather that he is asking OC3D to give him all of the answers. Which TBH is impossible to do. OC3D can only really go so far before he has to make his own decision. His decision would likely be based on what he wants, mine would be based on what I want. Over the past six months I, personally, have come to the following conclusions.

I can't be without Physx as four of my top ten games all use it and I know how Radeons are crap for it.

I wouldn't ever use CF or SLI again *unless* one of the cards *alone* could be muscular enough to belt out max settings on its own as Crossfire and SLI simply aren't reliable enough. OC3D uses a set of the same games to show performance. However, they don't use brand new games and then say "hmm, simply doesn't work". This is a side of Crossfire and SLI that people just don't get to see and I don't blame OC3D for that. Expecting an entire review that takes days just to answer the questions I have would be taking the wee a little bit.

I've tried to point out the pros and cons of both SLI and Crossfire to people using my own real life experiences with both. I ran SLI 8600GTS and Crossfire 5770. SLI had tearing issues among other problems and Crossfire refused to work all of the time and needed fettling and fiddling. This is what brought me to my conclusion that I would never use either again unless one card was man enough to do the job without me having to rely on something that is driver based. Heck, we all know how crap drivers can be.

So that's about it really. Apologies if I sounded a bit crappy, that's not what was intended. However, it seems to me that Murph is relying on OC3D to make the decision for him. Sometimes you just need to take the plunge and if you make a mistake learn from it. I do empathise that the kind of cash we are talking about here is a big decision, but TBH if I was in any doubt whatsoever I would avoid both and go for a single powerful card solution.

But again, that's me. That's what I would do based on me and my experiences.

Im sorry but if compare them on identical pc's with not just synthetic benchmarks also but some actual real life test in there that would be little more scientific also alot info out there is corporate sponsor pumped up stats

My post should have answered that but if not? You're not going to find any one to cater to all of your needs dude. Sometimes you just need to 'suck it and see'. If life hands you lemons? well, all you can really do is suck on them.
 
Indeed. TBH this is what I am trying to get across. No review or benchmark is really going to give you the answer. The very fact that reviews are usually done once and give you a pile of pics and figures doesn't usually equate to exacting performance in your computer, in your house in your bedroom. Each of the setups will have its positives and its drawbacks.

For example, these are just a few I have worked out from reading reviews.

Crossfire scales better (we all know that) and thus in reviews the 6970 will likely come out on top in 'scored' results.

SLI has a few advantages. Firstly you get CUDA and Physx thrown into the mix which again, will improve a good selection of games. Enabling Physx on say, Mafia 2 will bring the Radeons to a crawl. Running Just Cause 2 (which uses Havok for the physics engine and CUDA to increase performance) will bring out the best in a Geforce. Radeons are crap at Metro, ETC, ETC. Radeons are better at Stalker Pripyat, ETC ETC.

The 570 is cooler and quieter. It just goes on. For every disadvantage of one there is a disadvantage for the other. The sorts of questions he is asking, IE "Which is better?" is absolutely and utterly impossible to answer without being a mind reader. Only he knows what he wants and what he is looking for, and that could be a boat load of things.

Firstly if he wants to run Vantage a lot and do a bit of posing? the 6970CF will probably be the better option for boasting with (given the results against 580 CF).

If he's into folding? no brainer.

If he likes Just Cause 2 and loves a bit of Physx goodness? no brainer.

It just seems to me from what I can gather that he is asking OC3D to give him all of the answers. Which TBH is impossible to do. OC3D can only really go so far before he has to make his own decision. His decision would likely be based on what he wants, mine would be based on what I want. Over the past six months I, personally, have come to the following conclusions.

I can't be without Physx as four of my top ten games all use it and I know how Radeons are crap for it.

I wouldn't ever use CF or SLI again *unless* one of the cards *alone* could be muscular enough to belt out max settings on its own as Crossfire and SLI simply aren't reliable enough. OC3D uses a set of the same games to show performance. However, they don't use brand new games and then say "hmm, simply doesn't work". This is a side of Crossfire and SLI that people just don't get to see and I don't blame OC3D for that. Expecting an entire review that takes days just to answer the questions I have would be taking the wee a little bit.

I've tried to point out the pros and cons of both SLI and Crossfire to people using my own real life experiences with both. I ran SLI 8600GTS and Crossfire 5770. SLI had tearing issues among other problems and Crossfire refused to work all of the time and needed fettling and fiddling. This is what brought me to my conclusion that I would never use either again unless one card was man enough to do the job without me having to rely on something that is driver based. Heck, we all know how crap drivers can be.

So that's about it really. Apologies if I sounded a bit crappy, that's not what was intended. However, it seems to me that Murph is relying on OC3D to make the decision for him. Sometimes you just need to take the plunge and if you make a mistake learn from it. I do empathise that the kind of cash we are talking about here is a big decision, but TBH if I was in any doubt whatsoever I would avoid both and go for a single powerful card solution.

But again, that's me. That's what I would do based on me and my experiences.

My post should have answered that but if not? You're not going to find any one to cater to all of your needs dude. Sometimes you just need to 'suck it and see'. If life hands you lemons? well, all you can really do is suck on them.

Ok fair enf but you made me want quote something dont take this the wrong way "if god hands you lemons get a new god"
 
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So for me it's really which one is cheaper? Considering they perform similarly in the games I play (Last 4 CoD's, CoH, MoW, DiRT 1&2, f1 2010 etc) I do Have metro but I can run it on very high settings with my 5870 and I don't get any lag (which I'm thankful for).

So cheapness then, because I'm never going to do any benchamrking with Vantage and what not.
 
Yeah deffo second 5870 FTW dude. IMO the 5870 doesn't fall that short of the 6970 (will probably start WWIV saying that) but hey, 5870 are awesome cards nuff said. And with deals like this

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-136-OK&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1502

And this

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-147-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1502

It would be pretty crazy to consider anything else IMO.

Ed. If you went for the XFX you could black edition bios flash it
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Hmmm very tempting, but you say that even crossfire doesn't always work well with games and that it may not always scale well. I only have a UD-2 at the moment too, So the second lane would run at 8 or 4x (cant remember). Hoping to grab a Maximus 3 Gene though soon.
 
the 5870 does fall behind the 6970 in FPS Alien. I deffo wouldnt stick a 6970 in a x8 and deffo not in a x4 lane tbh.

Depends on the games you play but the new cards ravage the games that the 5870 struggled with.
 
the 5870 does fall behind the 6970 in FPS Alien. I deffo wouldnt stick a 6970 in a x8 and deffo not in a x4 lane tbh.

Depends on the games you play but the new cards ravage the games that the 5870 struggled with.

Awesome so that's that one out of the way
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It really is hard making a choice based on reviews tbh. I mean sure, the information is all there but sometimes it doesn't give you that actual sort of answer..

Hmmm very tempting, but you say that even crossfire doesn't always work well with games and that it may not always scale well. I only have a UD-2 at the moment too, So the second lane would run at 8 or 4x (cant remember). Hoping to grab a Maximus 3 Gene though soon.

Dual 16x are a luxury. However, I can safely say that the differences are minimal having seen them first hand. When I originally set up Crossfire I had a triple SLI board (Nforce) that wasn't cheap. North of £150 IIRC so was really in no mood to get another top class board. Asrock it was, £30, dual 8x lanes. IIRC the difference between dual 8x and dual 16x (in the ridiculous Asus board I got shortly after) was something like 900 3dmarks in Vantage.

I wouldn't worry too much about it dude. Grab a card. You're in the comfy position to have one super fast card to back you up when Crossfire doesn't behave, and it shouldn't break the bank picking up one of those cheapies.
 
the 5870 does fall behind the 6970 in FPS Alien. I deffo wouldnt stick a 6970 in a x8 and deffo not in a x4 lane tbh.Depends on the games you play but the new cards ravage the games that the 5870 struggled with.

This is why I want to get one of these:Maximus 3 Gene

Heard they are pretty good
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If not I will try and get a 2 Gene on the cheap somewhere.
 
I think they missed the check box in SmartDoctor in the review. There is a setting that enables enhanced range for the OC sliders.

I have two of these graphics cards in CrossfireX, clicked the checkbox on settings in SmartDoctor, and walla!, new range in the sliders was immediately available.

Nice xmas present, 2x EAH6970, for my 2 year old Rampage Extreme
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