O2 = con merchants

alienware

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Back to the beginning.

In October last year I was sort of happilly using Tiscali. It was £14.99 a month for 5mb with no cap. If you over used they would simply throttle you during peak hours (fair enough). I was throttled twice, whatever.

Sadly I had a problem with it and called them to sort it out (no connection). I then discovered that I had been paying 15p a minute and had spent 60 minutes on the phone talking to India, at the end of the call they said the fault was theirs. So I was pretty cross at them (putting it mildly) and decided to look for another ISP.

Now I heard that Be were fantastic. Then I heard O2 had taken over and they were equally fantastic. I phoned O2 and was told because of the area I lived in I would have to pay £25 for their unlimited broadband. Fair enough, I mean, it is unlimited after all right?

It came in October of 2009 and for the first week it was amazing. 8mb speeds, really quick downloads. Then it died. And when I say died I mean died, .25mb. I couldn't even watch a Youtube video. I kept phoning and they kept telling me that my lines needed to be upgraded by BT and to be patient. However it now turns out that the problem was them sorting out their broken servers as Tiscali was always constant. I figured I wasn't paying for the first three months so decided to hold on.

Right at the end of the three months (as if by magic) it was really good again. Sadly during those three months I hadn't been able to download anything and MSN was about the extent of what it was good for. I have seasons 1-12 on DVD of South Park but didn't want to rip and compress them (imagine how long it would take!) so decided to download them as Divx. At the end of the month O2 phoned me telling me I had breached their fair usage policy. But wait, this is unlimited, right?

I was told wrong. It isn't unlimited PER SE and the fair usage policy was just a cap in disguise that would get me a strike at over 60gb. I was so amazingly annoyed at this and told them to f*ck off, slamming the phone down. I continued using the net and complained EVERY time there was a problem with it to no avail. They would simply tell me an engineer would call me back and they never did.

About two months ago it again became great. So last month I decided to download some paid for stuff via Steam. I have been using a bandwidth monitor (as I asked for about two months ago) and my bandwidth this month was 51.7gb. Well under the 60gb 'usage policy' so I wasn't worried. Well, I phoned my mate tonight and we got chatting about the Ultimate Fighter on Sky. Sadly I always miss it because I am otherwise occupied and the ones on Sky Player are willy nilly. He told me I should download them and jokingly I said -

Nah dude. O2 would be on the phone whining in an instant.

As soon as I hung up the phone rang. It went a little something like this.

O2 - Good evening. My name's Michelle and I am calling from O2 customer service...

Me - Hello, what can I do for you today?

O2 - Well sadly I need to inform you that last month you went over your bandwidth limit on our fair usage policy and this is your second warning. If you do it again we will give you your mac code and disconnect you

Me - Hmm. That's a bit strange ! you see, after my last warning and being told I had a 60gb cap (even though you butter it up under an asterix and negate to tell any one about it, instead choosing to tell them that the service is unlimited) I have been using a bandwidth monitoring app written by a friend of mine. It says I have used exactly what you just told me I used, so what gives on that one then?

O2 - Our fair usage policy has now changed. You are now allowed up to 40gb a month

Me - Hmm. Well, thanks for pre warning me with a letter or something.Thankfully I am now out of contract with you so the next thing I will be doing with my evening is finding some one else to get raped by. F**k off.

Phone down.

Sure as eggs about five minutes later this arrived in my inbox.

Dear XXXXX,

We hope that you are enjoying your home broadband experience with us. Unfortunately, it looks like you’ve been using significant amounts of our network capacity and it’s affecting the service that our other customers get.

We need your help to make sure that all of our customers get the most from their broadband service. Here are some of the things you can do:

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Be Aware - Make sure you know what’s using up a lot of bandwidth.

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Peer-to-peer software - like Bittorrent. As these programs download and upload files, you might be using more than you realise.

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File sharing - some programs might run continually in the background. If you turn off the ‘auto start’ setting you can stop this.

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BBC iPlayer - If you’re using the old version, switch to the new version – it uses less capacity

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Ask around - Someone else in your house might be using it more than you realise. Ask everyone to use a bit less

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Lower your download speed - Most file sharing programs let you set a maximum download speed, please set yours to low.

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Download an application that will monitor usage – There are lots available to download for free and it might help you keep an eye on how much you are downloading

And the simplest solution is to download and upload less.

OK, so now I am absolutely f***ing seething. I decide right there and then to phone O2, get my mac and go off looking for another more transparent service that don't lie to get you into a contract. I decided to look around, Virgin ADSL XL was my first choice.

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I have underlined the unlimited bit. F***ing awesome ! Truly unlimited broadband for £28 a month in my area ! WOOHOOOOO !. It sounded too good to be true, and, it was. When I looked a little closer I found this.

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Which I then proceeded to read the entire bloody thing. Nowhere does it tell you about how much you can download on this "unlimited" package. So I decided to phone Virgin. After about 45 minutes of making them squirm and wrangling and being put through to a supervisor I was finally told that the Unlimited package includes 80gb of bandwidth. Once you pass that they then throttle you. If you do it again they warn you, do it twice more then disconnect you.

Honestly, how the f**k are they allowed to get away with this? There's no * or + on there warning you of it so they are lying.

Any way, after hours of phoning up companies to poke them with a stick and make them admit they are liars I decided to look at Zen. £35 a month total. No contract. 100gb usage (way too much for me, most I have ever done was 63gb and that included 12 seasons of South Park). So, I phoned o2.

Firstly they gave me all the rebuttals under the sun. In the end I said

Look mate. Do me a f***ing favour and hand me over my MAC before I lose my temper and submit you to a year's worth of frustration and anger.

So he hands it over. Great ! When I signed up for O2 they contacted Tiscali and took care of it all for me. The day O2 began Tiscali ended. It was really nice and easy. So, I asked him when Zen could contact them and do the switchover.

"They can't". Eh? Excuuuuse me? what do you mean they can't?

"Here at O2 we do not allow companies to help you to make the switch over. You need to wait until your new broadband arrives and then phone us yourself to cancel. If you do not cancel before a bill is due we do not refund any unused days". F**K YOU.

Then he tells me I need to return their f***ing modem and if I don't I will be subjected to a charge of one hundred pounds for a Thomson 585 that costs £20 delivered on Amazon.

So, not only do O2 rip you off but they also get a firm grip on your balls and won't let go.

I want to burn down Telefonicas headquarters.
 
I haven't had any issues with O2 but some others have sadly including yourself. I think I got lucky with when I upgraded my contract so when I go to look for my fair usage amount in their terms it seems to show the caps for all the new plans and some of the old ones, but mine just says I don't have a cap but don't take the piss. That said, I don't know what they consider taking the piss. The plan similar to mine can do something like 80GB.

I was also looking into who does and doesn't have a fair usage policy recently and read this page here which says that Virgin super duper wuper xxxxxllll package that costs a fortune is completely free from their fair usage policy and also sky.
 
All I can say is wow... they treated you bad and keep grinding the boot down into you. Wont let you leave and want that modem back lol that's epic they probably moved to a new model for customers already and have no use for it xD.

All I can say is once you switch to Zen you'll be ok for a bit hopefully, although £35 is quite steep, what speed is that for? Might be worth looking at Sky too?

I'm with Virgin Media 10MB fibre optic and their policy is different for cable. I can and have downloaded a lot, that's fine don't worry. What isn't fine is when you do it ¬_¬_¬_¬_¬_¬_¬_o' christ from 9-15:39 you can download 3GB and from 16-21:00 you can download 1.5GB, if you exceed it you're throttled for 5 hours to 25% speed. How does that help if you decide hey I want to watch a film or even BBC iplayer and Skype etc you can rinse that 1.5GB without actual downloading, then you're capped the rest of the night. This means if I want to get a game I have to get it after about 10pm (you still get throttled up to 10pm not 9pm as they try say it is). Download a season of House? Again have to set it overnight. So look at it this way, O2 capped you stupidly low at 40GB but then again I'm unlimited but can't use the net when I'm awake lol because if I want a film I have to download it to watch the next day, no more impulse downloading ¬_¬.

BT is worse though if you exceed like 30GB I think it was or 60GB can't remember then you're capped at 10% speeds for 30 days... then it resets, like err unlimited anyone? Thats worse than anything. These companies operate this way and then they advertise fast speeds for you to use iPlayer and 4OD etc Skype so on but these things can kill that usage fast and what if you need to download something fairly simple like digital download purchases, Steam etc...

The reason is because they can get away with it and also because for example Virgin are over extended they have way too many customers for the lines they have so the ones on top packages get a great speed and no traffic management and the rest just cope with the caps...

My girlfriend in Holland has 30Mb/s fibre optic net which is truly unlimited, truly truly unlimited not even the bitorrent throttling that nearly all UK ISP's use. She's with a mainstream provider too, on a normal TV, Phone and Internet for like €60 a month and gets a TV package better than virgin or Sky offer tbh and the phone is unlimited ofc too. €60 the equivalent in the UK can get you sweet F**K all.

From Sky "Please note that this Fair Usage Network Management Policy does not apply to Sky Broadband Everyday Lite or Sky Broadband Unlimited."

Found here

Good luck with finding someone, gotta say most are annoying big time!! The UK is awful for net providers I swear even my family in Jamaica get better deals... people in Japan do too, Scandinavia the US bla bla... The UK is awful but yet is desperate to be a pioneer in the online environment. As if.
 
I haven't had any issues with O2 but some others have sadly including yourself. I think I got lucky with when I upgraded my contract so when I go to look for my fair usage amount in their terms it seems to show the caps for all the new plans and some of the old ones, but mine just says I don't have a cap but don't take the piss. That said, I don't know what they consider taking the piss. The plan similar to mine can do something like 80GB.

I was also looking into who does and doesn't have a fair usage policy recently and read this page here which says that Virgin super duper wuper xxxxxllll package that costs a fortune is completely free from their fair usage policy and also sky.

Virgins top package is free from any management but when they add a new top one, they have had a pattern of then having that as the non-managed speed and the old one gets managed. For example, top used to be 20MB fibre and it was unmanaged, then 50Mb came so now 20Mb is managed and people naturally moved up to 50Mb including those who don't need the speed but need to not be managed. So with 100Mb rolling out soon, guess what's likely to come...
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I nearly considered moving up in package to the 50Mb but the price increase is so not worth it, locks me into another 12 month contract and with 100Mb coming just gawd... Also contention ratios in the UK just suck it's like what I was saying, Virgin is over supplied but assumes most people use only 100Kb/s max while web browsing and then the rest aren't using they're computers. So they penalise the few that do. Upload speeds are also shocking, mine isn't enough to upload anything worth while and even struggles with Skype video even though I have fibre which allows huge uploads I get only 0.5Mb/s which is just crap. My mum has better upload on her 8Mb/s cheap package from Talktalk lol.
 
I was also looking into who does and doesn't have a fair usage policy recently and read this page here which says that Virgin super duper wuper xxxxxllll package that costs a fortune is completely free from their fair usage policy and also sky.

Sadly I can't get either. I live on the bottom of England. Literally about a mile from the sea if that. I live in a rural area with a tiny population in a beautiful place. Our house sits next to a 300 acre airfield that has no use (was left in WW2 after Hitler's invasion plans fell through). We get a car boot there on Sat and a market on Sun during the summer. Other than that? that's where I go to walk and unwind. It's amazing here. No crime, no noise, clean air and a very high life expectancy. Sadly that comes at a cost. It's very expensive to live here and because there are only a few of us (
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) Virgin have no plans to lay cable here. That means BT have no plans for LLU and that means we get raped at every turn. Sky costs £12 a month more here than any city because they have no competition and broadband is slow, poor and costs a small fortune.

I've decided I am definitely going with Zen. Yes £35 is a lot but in my area it's actually rather cheap being £7 more than Virgin XL and comes with more bandwidth. I mean, 100gb is a seriously heavy package and no contract.

I hope that the modem I have found (585 V7 pretty much the same as the O2 one) will work as I can nab it for £15 shipped. But yeah, this fair usage thing is nothing but a sinister way for them to hide their true intentions. Zen hide nothing from you. What you see is what you get, they don't even promise unlimited on a £200pm business contract (1000gb).

I have to say hats off to Plusnet. They offer a 60gb service for £17.99 a month.From 12am until 8am it's no holds barred and anything you use in those times does not count from your 60gb. However, 12 month contract. £35 'connection fee'. Which over the year works out the same as Zen and Zen is miles better.

Also with Zen being expensive and very 'take it or leave it' not many people will be using it meaning their servers will be nice and clear of young tw*ts who ruin it for the rest of us. See, that's what has happened to O2 down here. The young p*ss sticks have ruined it and that's why they're slowly turning up the thumb screws.

I was actually considering Bulldog's TRULY unlimited service for £50 a month. Sadly like many other companies they have been swallowed by Talk Talk and I don't want to have to pay for all of those f***ing Xfactor commercials.
 
I have always wanted to ask this, but what cable broadband internet providers can you get in Europe? I live in the states, and have Comcast. I pay $99 for cable, on demand and and high speed internet(its capped at 250GB a month). I have done some serious downloading and went over 250 a month and they threatened to ban me from there service for one year. So I bought a Motorola SB5101 and flashed the Haxorware diagnostic firmware on it and now I can browse anonymously and uncapped on my line(actually you can have free internet this way but I hate Theft of Service). Remember if anyone goes this way its perfectly legal if you have a paid subscriber modem.
 
Comcast are fantastic apart from their port blocking. But you can get around that if you know what you're doing !

AFAIK in the UK we only have Virgin cable (used to be telewest and blue yonder).

Roadrunner is excellent if they operate in your area. Had that in Ohio.
 
Europe is a very broad term. For example, in the Netherlands we have (I think) none of the cable providers the UK has. In the Netherlands we primarily have UPC and Ziggo.
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That's sad to hear Bulldog got bought out by Talk Talk.

That's quite a story there Mr ALX I'm with O2 and will certainly be taking note of my usage from now on. I was told 80gb by a techy from O2 a month or so back, doubt it's that much but we'll see. I'm not a heavy DL these days as it seems FPS games are all the industry has to offer mostly. FPS games bore me although I did like HL and 1 or 2 others.

I lived in Brighton for 10 years and know the rural parts around there and it can be hellish trying to get BB services.

good luck

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For me and many others, it's an arcade game mate
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Never believe what they tell you mate. They're at will to do anything they wish (it's all covered in the small print
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Some one here was recently banned from O2 (Silo? can't remember).

Any way, I have now began the process of switching to Zen completely. With them there is no contract so you need your own modem router. I ordered a Dlink 924 wireless with a wireless usb dongle (ideal for the old laptop I am going to get) for £12.99 delivered.

They offer full bandwidth tracking and send you an email at 25%, 50%, 75% and 90%. Once there you simply hold back until the month rolls over and you get a TRUE 100gb.

Also I asked about help with setting up the router and getting it on their service "Absolutely sir. Here is my personal number and with us you always speak to the same advisor to make sure you don't have to spend ages re explaining any problems you may have had, all your history is with one agent".

Deffo a case of getting what you pay for.

Also, because they are a business supplier (up to 1000gb) they allocate more bandwidth and use more servers. Because of that my line check came back through their exchange @ 9.2mb. Fast as fook lol.

Very happy.
 
Well, that's pretty bad but I've ran into some problems with ISPs myself. I live in a rented house right now, the past tenant had a contract with BT but they'd have none of it - they said I had to pay for a new line, exactly £150 quid, which I believe is the connection from my house to just around the block. Well I was having none of it, and after endless discussions on the matter, including about the last tenant I told them to eff off in a vigorous manner and shut the phone. I then spoke with this really nice lady from O2 who told me I needed a new line to and that was the moment she was no longer a nice lady so I gave her the same two words too. I then spoke to Opal/Talk Talk since I had no other choice in my area and they offered me to do the line replacement for £50 which I was desperate for so I finally handed over the cash just to get it done.. And what did I get? Well the speeds are decent when it works.. but then that fancy new line seems to not cut it as I constantly get a bandwidth overload and am forced to reset the God-damned £5 router they gave me with a big shiny TalkTalk logo on. And that happens every hour when it's not so bad and about every 15 minutes on bad days. I happen to live in a posh area full of pensioners so I doubt they download porn all the time.. With all the money BT makes we should all be bloody fiber optic by now but no.. let's rip them off further, stick our boots so far up their asses they cough them up. I have one thing to say about British ISPs and that is that most are total corporative arseholes.
 
Wow really long post
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... I've been spanked by Virgin Media so many times, I however have never received a warning. I got capped when I was playing WoW and I didn't download anything (apart from some 4mb addons).

The 'unlimited' is a word that they twist to their needs. This has been brought up on Watchdog a few times, thousands of people have complained, petitions done, direct letters to the government... nothing has been done.....

They will have you by the balls until a company comes along and says TRULY UNLIMITED.... and that 80GB I think is on their 20 or 50MB package.... which is a ripoff anyway.
 
Alien. I was with Zen for years then made the switch to IDnet ( as offered from this site a few year ago) I loved Zen as they were exceptional in every way but as you say a little bit pricey, you get what you pay for. Idnet have also been brilliant and even give a Christmas boost to their limited packs I believe.

I did have two accounts at one stage (one with BT and one with Idnet) due to a weekly commute and although the bt speed was good it ripped me off when i had to cancel for work reasons and made me pay the rest of my lease as if i was using it, not going there again.

I also live at the bottom of england near Wareham, and am amazed you can get 9mb, you must be reasonably close to a BIG City?
 
Avoid yearly contracts with ISPs like the plague

They lock you down and mess you around

Since talktalk (evil evil company) I have been with IDNet

Loving it, free support, people who know their shizz and 30gb is plenty for me (uncapped, unmanaged...purely mine!)

A bit pricey but i get 30gb off peak, 30gb peak so with a bit of management £25 a month isnt bad
 
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