Nvidia's RTX 4090 Ti heatsink design has leaked - It's Massive!

[KingNosser]

While the new cards will use more power i'd expect 450 stock and then more on the OC maybe upto 550watt unless top end card. The cost of electric on the other hand while higher wait until August the prices in the UK are expect to jump again by about the same as the last time around.

As for crypto, even when Eth go's PoS they will switch to others to make use of the cards regardless, so nothing will change in terms of the impact on stock, it'd be nice but we don't live in that world.

I expect current cards will hold their price for a fair while and the new stuff is just going to be way more expensive can see them still producing the current crop for a short while longer as well as they are using different nodes for the new ones and so they can also get cheaper fab prices on the 7nm stuff or 8nm stuff without issues.

 

[AlienALX]

EZBench it's new, it'll make your card sweat hard, there will be games from UE5 that your want and your 2080ti and my 6800xt are not going to play them the best it's just how it is.

Games are a preference thou but crysis while looking nice isn't a top teir game never was imho, it's horses for courses end of the day.

I don't have time to bother with benchmarks. Especially not for what I would even consider as fun. I would rather be playing games. As such I don't give a toss about how a benchmark performs. Maybe at some point in the past I used to? I can't remember. What I do know is they are usually a way to show off something that you should be playing, yet aren't because no one cares enough to code a ground up PC only game. It has been over a decade since that happened last.

yea well that 1080ti is going to suck on that EZbench i'd be suprised if your 2080ti gets close to 20fps, just how it'll be in a while once tech catches up bit like that ultra realistic train station looking so real but running at 7fps at some stage that will be the norm and run at 30fps+

As above I couldn't give a flying toss. You can't play it. That means it's pointless. If at some point when I am grey and old my 2080Tis can't smash PUBG to the 144 limiter? I might consider getting another one.

Not all games run like hot ass they are just ported badly when given the effort they run really well look at the recent playstation games they look and play better than the consoles by a mile, the times are changing and the PC is more and more becoming the main platform when companies like Sega are stating so.

True they don't care which is why they are charging more.

Games are not ported and never were. I have raised issues with this terminology many times. It's because people don't understand exactly how games are made, and jump on the bandwagon of influencer noob comments.

The underlying code is now exactly the same. Even when different it's code. What it comes down to is optimizing said code. Which if you coded a ground up PC game for PC only would be far easier and better if you used the correct methods, not treating the PC platform as sloppy seconds. Which is how it is, always. And it will never change. That is why they release broken games (all of them are broken now at launch) and then fix it after if you are lucky. Cash in first, then maybe we will sort it out for you.

end of the day regardless of what you think or feel i'll have got a 6800xt but instead I put the money i had saved for a new 1440p monitor and Rift S if i hadn't won the card i'd simple have saved more to get what "I" wanted see everyones different, plus at the time frame it'll have been a lot more than £800 I'd have to have paid still same outcome.

I absolutely guarantee you would not have. Not unless you like less for the same money or more money. You would have bought a 3080, at the same price, because as much as Youtubers are trying to avoid DLSS and RT (because some of them are peed off because Nvidia struck them off) they are both very valid technlogies, especially DLSS. AMD can bodge around it with software all they like, the fact is their cards are inferior at it and thus not worth the premium price Nvidia charge.

And you would have researched all of this before handing over £800 and got the 3080. And if you hadn't? see my comment above about being a plum. Because that would be a pretty masochistic thing to do for your love of one company over another.

Well Cyberpunk ran 100% fine for me i'm on the last mission point, not like the crazy bugs the rest of you had. Exodus I've not started yet but to narrow down games that are great over the years isn't just huge AAA games take a simple smaller game like Hades excellent fun all depends on what you like.

The whole world had bugs. It was a known fact. I had few, but they were 100% there. I had tons to do just to stop it error coding at launch, and get it running. Once there? few scenarios with a car 1m in the air and so on. Every one had that, no one totally avoided it.

As such I suspect you are one of these guys who used to say "I run Crossfire and I don't have any issues with stutter or torn frames !".

IE - you didn't notice. That doesn't mean it totally wasn't there, because it was. It was a technology sold on a fraud.

It's very rare for critics to universally pan a game or anything else these days because it upsets the gods who hand out the cash. However, when something is panned as badly as CP you know it was atrocious, and not just really bad.

That said it still doesn't get around my point about how it isn't a great game. It's a mediocre game with a muddled story. Unlike, for example, The Witcher 3. Which was an incredible game, and still is.

 

[KingNosser]

My comments are my own, not directed at anyone, but you seem to always be the main one replying, and the only part that annoys me mildly is you can't take me at my word, it's fine it doesn't matter all that much. It's no issue to disagree. But yep i have a problem when people try to force an argument rather than a discussion or resort to digs.

I stand by what i said and as stated you don't have to agree and as your signature states if you dont like what i post don't read it. Thing is i generally don't mind talking to you on anything about anything no issues tbh it's a forum your meant to have back and forth.

I used to work in the Industry even was lucky enough to meet shiggs at ects in London one year, so i'm pretty sure i have a basic understanding, all kinds of things related to gaming. Doesn't matter what word you use as a term if it's common enough for people to understand, yep it's all code and so long as the time is taken the performance is better on PC consoles are vastly underpowered in comparison, the only part that makes things harder on PC is rather than one set of hardware you have tons going back several generations and regardless of that i can flat out say PC games either look the same or vastly better it's just fact.

I was SLI and there was plenty of stuttering in benchmarks, I dont have rose tinted glasses and if your have an issue with my opinion that is one thing, but to basically state that i'm lying in so many words about what i feel on things is another.

I didn't want a 3080 I wanted a 6800xt or don't you remember the chats of the past leading upto the launch of the 3000 series, i was always going rdna2 so i have nothing to prove and will keep saying what i feel same as you do.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Of course it's greed, but nvidia are just as guilty and expect them prices to rise, it's nvidia that is guiding the market, which is why Intel are going to want $700-900 for there cards, you know it's right as that $700 price on the 3080 don't seem to have happened other than on day one.

Yep Nvidia has that slight edge on DXR so yes on price amd need to be lower, but overall it's exagerated in terms of performance look at any of the rasta which is 99% of all games and amd are well up there.

Still you can have 8k gaming with a 3090ti lol

That's my point though. AMD should try to do more than just match Nvidia's price to performance ratio in raster scenarios. The landscape is not the same as it was; things have changed. If AMD did this back in Maxwell and Pascal days then that would be amazing. Imagine a hypothetical RX 490 or Fury X matching or beating Nvidia in every area that mattered: price, efficiency, performance. That would have been fantastic.
Yet now years later there are exciting developments that AMD are again behind in. They were behind in efficiency and raster performance. Now that they've caught up, Nvidia are ahead again in other key areas. Instead of AMD going, 'Hmmm... maybe we should undercut Nvidia to grab as many gamers as possible since production is not an issue', just like they did with the excellent RX 480 and R9 290X, they went, 'Let's charge as much as the other guy because we know we'll sell everything we make because of a climate that consumers have little control over.'

It's not about Nvidia's greed as much as it is about AMD's. They had every opportunity to change the landscape and force improvement; they didn't. They allowed Nvidia to set the scene and then came along and lapped up the sloppy seconds, which to them is financially in their interests but not consumer's. Maybe that will one day trickle down to us, but we could be waiting years before AMD release a graphics card generation that people are unanimously happy over, just as we all were with Maxwell and Pascal.

I don't agree with Alien in that he has an extreme view of Radeon, but I also don't think AMD are giving consumers enough of a reason to buy their products over Nvidia's. I know if I had £800 to spend on a GPU, I would not buy a Radeon. Nvidia offer more for the money. Raster performance and efficiency are about parity, but as a consumer in a market where those two things are no longer the only factors to consider, I would rather buy an Nvidia card even though I would prefer an AMD card.

I'm not wrong about anything. The sales figures and everything else totally backs up what I've said.

AMD couldn't catch a cold. There's a very valid reason for that too. A really very easy and simple to understand one -$.

The only reason they got a foot up and sold a single GPU was because of Nvidia's mistakes. That said when they are making so much more than AMD and selling ten times the GPUs one could argue that even when they made a mistake they still lucked out.

If you paid for your GPU and bought a 6800XT at that price (especially now GPUs are sagging the shelves everywhere) you'd be a plum. A total plum.

Fact, 5000 series RX were considerably cheaper than their RTX equivalent. 5700 was £200 less than a 2070.

Take off your rose tinted glasses you put on when you got a free card.

I think that's a bit extreme. AMD may not be offering consumers a genuinely good reason to buy from them, but if you wanted a good performing, efficient GPU at a certain price bracket and AMD had something in that tier available to purchase, you'd get a good card. My point was that Nvidia are offering more than AMD. You've taken that relatively sure thing and put all your money, house, and dog on it.

 

[KingNosser]

I've said if amd were at msrp 6800xt £680 it's a good buy, same is true of Nvidia if it was £700 for a 3080 then the 6800xt would then have to come down more towards under £600.

I agree amd haven't been hungry yet, they could have taken market share, just hope at some stage they fully do it like a ryzen moment, just not happened that way.

Intel as much as i don't have an intrest in the cards to much first time to ever want to get on that boat can effect the market, but being honest they will just seat themselves under amd in 3rd and be happy.

They aren't a charity these companies they are in it for the money and you know that as they are always boasting on how much they care about gamers, i couldn't give an eff if they do or don't it's not a selling point to me, it's just fake.

I know why Alien feels the way he does, some points are valid i don't disagree on everything he has to say, he's been burnt by amd plenty so i don't blame him in many ways.

All i do is say my thoughts and yep it clashes with people at times even myself, but it's fine no drama needed. if the msrp of both companies was right then the 6800xt would have to be lower so price wise we agree but i didn't want a 6800xt because of the price it's just something I wanted to try again, just turns out i won it and got new monitor and vr but i was all in on rdna2.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't think it's extreme. It's just saying how it is.

They're being complete aholes. Just look at the 6500XT. That has to be the biggest ripoff in GPU history. A X4 laptop GPU. Now that was bad enough but they launched it above RRP. Way above RRP for something that wasn't even worth RRP. And they gave reasons for it, yet two days later after it was universally panned it was RRP.

That was one of, if not the, biggest rip offs and slap in the face for PC gamers ever. Even people who were completely desperate didn't buy it, that's how greedy rotten and bad it was.

I don't judge companies on their past behaviour good or bad. I judge them on now. And whilst I could easily pen a 10 page expletive essay about Nvidia AMD are now worse.

BTW the 3080 is A now £799. At least three models on OCUK. So it's now cheaper than the 6800XT which is laughable beyond stupidity.

 

[KingNosser]

We don't disagree on price but sites like ocuk and ccl were a bigger part of the problem than amd or nvidia, wasn't so long ago that my card was £1250 on ocuk so now you see that point. Still a lot better but it's also a different time and most likely they just want to out them before the new cards come out, cause it's really not far away, just the other week i said atm i'd buy nothing right now.

 

[AlienALX]

We don't disagree on price but sites like ocuk and ccl were a bigger part of the problem than amd or nvidia, wasn't so long ago that my card was £1250 on ocuk so now you see that point. Still a lot better but it's also a different time and most likely they just want to out them before the new cards come out, cause it's really not far away, just the other week i said atm i'd buy nothing right now.

I don't see that point no.

OCUK and others have a basic system that all businesses use. They add a percentage on top of what they buy the product for and then sell it.

You can't blame them. Prices all along the supply were being gouged. In fact, lots of companies are now going under because whilst they made out well during the pandemic they now suffer a complete 180 and people are not buying squat.

BMX collectibles for example have now absolutely and utterly tanked. Thankfully I apply the same rules to that no matter what so I didn't lose a penny, but those who spunked their furlough cash on massively inflated and over priced bike stuff (because they wanted something to do) are now desperately trying to sell it when the reality of the aftermath of a pandemic looks like.

And that's just one example. Prices on all second hand non essential goods is tanking. They may be trying to keep prices up on GPUs but it's clearly not reflecting in sales, hence the enormous price drops.

I paid a lot of money for my GPU. One, not the others. That said it was the going rate at the time and there was no gouging. It was when covid was first discovered and was the price. Oh, it it was £150 less than Scan.

I just won't buy over priced gouged crap. All I bought PC wise during the pandemic was my 12700kf upgrade and it cost what it should cost, no gouging. It was when Intel were behind and thus had to sell cheap and now costs more than I paid once all of the reviews were out.

My other 2080ti was £480. Even now it's still worth that. That said I don't care what it's worth,only that it works and enables me to game.

 

[KingNosser]

Oh they were gouging, sure there is a normal % that is always mark up but when the whole chain is doing it they all joined in so not saying they were soul responsible but they were adding to the issue. I can at least give Nvidia and AMD credit that when they launched on their websites they were at msrp but many other factors added to it.

Still amazed they allowed 5k series on x370 works perfectly fine, the price I paid was really good, so for me it all lined up fine over the last few years happy with the system now for a fair while to come now thou did take about 4 years to get to this stage for me.

Scan on the whole while higher atm throughout the whole last few years have been solid, rate them pretty well along with ebuyer, used aria in the past but they just dont seem to have the stock they once did or the value but a good little site at times.

£500 for a 2080ti is a good price even now it's far from a bad card, but anything that is out atm isn't going to last well going forward, really depends on how hard they push it and regardless PC's are a forever upgrade thing when you feel the time is right and you get performance vs price.

I could have been sway'd towards the 12k series chips but i'd have had to buy a new board and so the cost for me to switch platforms wasn't worth it.

My viewpoint on money is maybe different to most it's just a tool and your have one guy really like a porshe and another say you should get another brand cause xyz but that guy likes the porshe so he buys it, it's simple not always about money and me personally don't feel you should let it rule you on anything, it can lead to bad choices in life outside of the basic things.

I need new tyre's for my mountain bike my brother put road tyres on and they keep coming away from the rim don't fit right, that's been on hold for ages, but when i move i'll be looking to do that and have more time near the sea where i'm moving and do regular rides again.

Most all hobbies no matter what they are end up costing but you do them for the enjoyment not really about the other things being the main focus.

Some have no intrest in looks rgb anything just a box others like to spend time create custom things, i think it's better to do something you enjoy and have something that looks nice at the end than some black box you care nothing about.

 

[Warchild]

I don't see that point no.

OCUK and others have a basic system that all businesses use. They add a percentage on top of what they buy the product for and then sell it.

You can't blame them. Prices all along the supply were being gouged. In fact, lots of companies are now going under because whilst they made out well during the pandemic they now suffer a complete 180 and people are not buying squat.

BMX collectibles for example have now absolutely and utterly tanked. Thankfully I apply the same rules to that no matter what so I didn't lose a penny, but those who spunked their furlough cash on massively inflated and over priced bike stuff (because they wanted something to do) are now desperately trying to sell it when the reality of the aftermath of a pandemic looks like.

And that's just one example. Prices on all second hand non essential goods is tanking. They may be trying to keep prices up on GPUs but it's clearly not reflecting in sales, hence the enormous price drops.

I paid a lot of money for my GPU. One, not the others. That said it was the going rate at the time and there was no gouging. It was when covid was first discovered and was the price. Oh, it it was £150 less than Scan.

I just won't buy over priced gouged crap. All I bought PC wise during the pandemic was my 12700kf upgrade and it cost what it should cost, no gouging. It was when Intel were behind and thus had to sell cheap and now costs more than I paid once all of the reviews were out.

My other 2080ti was £480. Even now it's still worth that. That said I don't care what it's worth,only that it works and enables me to game.

OCUK stopped using Costplus long ago. They price on market demand now. Was on their forums from one of their internal team members.

Costplus is a dying market method right now due to everything spiralling out of control, and the ridiculous costs from the whole value chain. Costplus ignores market competition which can quickly go against them. Luckily they have the monopoly in the UK. It also makes it difficult to change pricing when necessary sometimes. What we see, and what they see and have to deal with are vastly different scenarios.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I don't think it's extreme. It's just saying how it is.

They're being complete aholes. Just look at the 6500XT. That has to be the biggest ripoff in GPU history. A X4 laptop GPU. Now that was bad enough but they launched it above RRP. Way above RRP for something that wasn't even worth RRP. And they gave reasons for it, yet two days later after it was universally panned it was RRP.

That was one of, if not the, biggest rip offs and slap in the face for PC gamers ever. Even people who were completely desperate didn't buy it, that's how greedy rotten and bad it was.

I don't judge companies on their past behaviour good or bad. I judge them on now. And whilst I could easily pen a 10 page expletive essay about Nvidia AMD are now worse.

BTW the 3080 is A now £799. At least three models on OCUK. So it's now cheaper than the 6800XT which is laughable beyond stupidity.

Saying "it's just saying how it is" isn't a valid argument.

I could say you're an idiot for thinking that, but I'd be wrong because you're not an idiot. Do you see what I mean? Hyperbole is hyperbole. To claim that someone is a plum for buying an AMD card right now is extreme. That is the very definition of extreme because there are valid reasons for buying an AMD card, just as if I called you an idiot for not understanding that. Again, you're not an idiot; we all really enjoy talking to you. I'm just reaffirming a point: hyperbole is a thing, and not everyone understands that.

The 6500XT is very poorly positioned, that's for sure. It's clear AMD are trying to milk the market as much as possible. But that doesn't change my point: there are reasons why a particular person would buy a particular AMD GPU and be happy with their purchase, and it's not because they're a plum. Is it the 6800XT over a 3080 from OCUK? No. We've established that. Is it a 6500XT over an Nvidia equivalent? No. We've established that too. But they are not the only comparisons or buyer sectors that exist.

 

[AlienALX]

Saying "it's just saying how it is" isn't a valid argument.

I could say you're an idiot for thinking that, but I'd be wrong because you're not an idiot. Do you see what I mean? Hyperbole is hyperbole. To claim that someone is a plum for buying an AMD card right now is extreme. That is the very definition of extreme because there are valid reasons for buying an AMD card, just as if I called you an idiot for not understanding that. Again, you're not an idiot; we all really enjoy talking to you. I'm just reaffirming a point: hyperbole is a thing, and not everyone understands that.

I don't see how being pessimistic and or cynical is hyperbole. It's truth. A brutal truth perhaps? but still truth. The best value card in the world for £ per FPS? 3070. That's just fact. Check out the HWUB value thingermerjig they do.

As for being a plum for buying AMD? you would be. Not because I am brand biased. I don't give a crap. It all comes down to that one brutal thing - £ per FPS. Then once you have gone past that you can start looking into other things. Like DLSS, RT, tensor cores, drivers. Then you can move onto the rest, hardware based Gsync and so on. You know? be less fussy. And at no point during all of that is there a reason to pick AMD. Just using your brains and valuing your money.

At launch most of the reviewers refused to even count DLSS or RT. Why? because Nvidia were leaning on them to do so. So they wanted to rebel, that's fine I get that. I wouldn't do exactly what someone asked me to do either.

However, as you will know as we've been post buddies for a while? I am a big proponent of DLSS and have been pretty much since day two. What I mean is? the first round was gash. The second however? a pinnacle moment in gaming. That is completely ignoring RT which I do not like, because of the facts. IE you will recall me saying from my own first hand experience it looked "gritty" and "bitty" etc. Well apparently after lots of research that is just how it is, because of how it works etc. And again, I am not one of these people desensitised enough not to notice or care about it. So I prefer it off.

However, at the same time I would not turn down something that doubles my FPS figures for an apparently worse image that I can't notice. So it's clearly good enough, even for a really fussy bugger like me.

As such I would not recommend any one line AMD's pockets because of what I have said. They put a thousandth of money into their development, which over the past few years has been absolutely embarrassing, and are asking the same or more as Nvidia. And apparently me pointing out all of those facts is hyperbole. Erm, sure dude.

I've used AMD/ATi many times in the past. Many, many times. All the way up to the Fury X where I bought two and got completely burned. In fact, I even bought a 6970 because I got burned by Nvidia.

What person in their right mind goes 470 1.2gb to 6970 2gb? me. The reason? the 470 did not have enough VRAM. I tried bloody everything to get one level of BF3 to play ball. It was a level based in a small outside mall. You caught a terrorist, and you had to keep him alive for intel. At which point waves of terrorists would rush into said mall, and all you could use was a sniper rifle. Now I tried this and failed about 40 times. I really thought it was me. Then after hours and hours of digging? turns out it wasn't. The GPU I had did not have enough VRAM for 1080p and when it ran out (like it did on that level) it would start using my paging file. Tanking the FPS and 1% mins, meaning when I ADS? they were already up the elevator and I lost.

And buying that 6970 totally fixed it. I literally did it first try. Moving forward into the future with the Fury X? that is the second case of "Not enough VRAM" I have had, which is why I am a huge opponent of cards without enough. Again, no hyperbole to be had just experience and facts.

The 6500XT is very poorly positioned, that's for sure. It's clear AMD are trying to milk the market as much as possible. But that doesn't change my point: there are reasons why a particular person would buy a particular AMD GPU and be happy with their purchase, and it's not because they're a plum. Is it the 6800XT over a 3080 from OCUK? No. We've established that. Is it a 6500XT over an Nvidia equivalent? No. We've established that too. But they are not the only comparisons or buyer sectors that exist.

The only position for the 6500XT is the bin. I apologise if research, facts and common sense go into my purchase decisions and my advice for others making the same said purchases. I won't change that until AMD change something. And releasing arse GPUs that belong in said receptacle and over charging for inferior GPUs won't change my mind.

That 6970 btw? £200. The same I had paid for the 470 with the cooler on (£170 clearout on the 470 two months after launch and £25 plus postage for the cooler).

Had it not packed up I am sure I would have had it ages.

 

[AlienALX]

In short? AMD got lucky with big Navi. From what I am hearing? that luck has run out.

 

[KingNosser]

Well your correct about the 3070, but only just and look at the difference in avg fps compared to the 6800XT so now you see why we clash on things at times.

Oh look only 2fps behind a 3080.

As for DLSS it has it's perks is why everyone bangs on about it, but check out the FSR2.0 vs DLSS video they made times are changing unless you really care about seeing a small rope in the distance better.

Should UK retail prices be better hell yes they should but you can't just grab numbers all over the place, but we already generally agree between the three of us that the 6800xt should be nearer £600 same as the 3080 should be closer to £700.

My only concern with rdna 3 is two things if the multi chip is ready for prime time and if my new cpu with pci-e3 would have enough bandwidth to allow it to fully be used, i'd get a 7800xt if them to things were solid.

We'll not know until later in the year and be it nvidia or amd atm all the rumours are just that thou not hearing anything negative myself, there has been some vastly over optimistic numbers but i'm expecting it'll be a huge uplift even if not the crazy numbers some have been saying.

The one thing amd has advantage over is the power usage you can see that already with rdna2 way lower power numbers in general.

I'm looking forward to when they add FSR2.0 as part of RSR as it works so well and it works on everything I have installed no need to have some super computer learn it for ages, the results on RSR using FSR1.0 are good but with 2.0 it'll be a lot better.

 

[AlienALX]

You've just screwed your own argument.

RRP. Read my post again, taking note of what I said. It is all about what the products cost. Right now the 6800XT is more expensive than the 3080. In that chart the 6800XT costs less than the 3080. Do you understand? so now rethink your post with that in mind. IE, the only reason the 6800XT is ahead in that chart is because it supposedly costs less than the 3080. But we know that isn't true don't we? the 3080 can be had for £799. Which is ahead of what that chart says but less than the 6800XT. Which in that chart is cheaper.

It's not about seeing a small rope in the distance. That is completely ignoring how it works. FSR is a software bodge. DLSS? has hardware for it. Meaning no matter how much AMD pull smoke and mirrors their card is inferior, and people buying them are accepting that they will never be as good. Which is absolutely bloody fine IF THE PRICE REFLECTS THIS. Do you understand what I am getting at? if not read this. When something isn't as good as another product and or is missing hardware features you don't ignore this and price it on the raster performance only. You take it into account and you make the product cheaper. Why? because it's cheaper. Cheaper to make, cheaper to etc etc.

Understand? good. The fact that it ignores the cold hard truth and pretends to be as good whilst costing the same or more makes it a bad purchase, not worth the money. Not your money, my money or any one else's.

Just because reviewers are peed at Nvidia for trying to make it all about DLSS and RT and have largely avoided it does not change reality. They all bang on about RT not being important. This part I agree with. However, ignoring at review a feature as enormous as DLSS was a bad call.

This may be why all rumours are pointing toward the 40 series Nvidia being incredible* and the 7000 Radeons poor.

*this part was always obvious. We all know the massive screw ups with Ampere, and why AMD are even being talked about any more. Had they not made all of these mess ups? AMD would have been just as crap as Vega, Fury, 300 series, 200 series, etc etc.

Why? because of the truth. They are light years behind due to R&D budgets and everything else. So they should be cheaper, period. Not even in the same room as Nvidia.

 

[AlienALX]

Oh and before you say it. If RT entered the chat my 2080Ti is faster than the 6900XT.

If Cyberpunk was a good game that would severely matter. AMD dodged a bullet by it being horrible at launch and not even a great game after it was patched.

Metro Exodus was much better of course, but we all know how I feel about that (it was good, not great).

If a killer app comes out? you will find every "reviewer" rethinking that situation.

 

[KingNosser]

You were the one bringing up the fps per frame cost.

The prices are all out of wack anyway, even the 3070 is way over msrp, look on overclockers yourself, so you can't base it on any price other than the day you buy.

All cards from all vendors are overpriced the whole way through the stack.

In all honesty I think nvidia are very concerned about rdna3, r&d budgets aside amd seem to have been doing well these days pretty sure they are glad they don't have a $2 stock price any longer.

I fully expect nvidia to make some bold claims when they announce just like when they said a 3080 was twice the performance of a 2080 and it turned out to be less than %70 8k gaming here we come right ?

You can even go into deathloop run in dlss and then turn on fsr2.0 and maybe your see a difference if you zoom your eyes enough or pixel peep on your 2080ti.

The price isnt an argument as they are all overpriced it's that simple, my point is your out and out calling something terrible when the fact is that is vastly far from the truth.

DXR nvidia are ahead but hey i'm not complaining all my DXR games run fine did see a big boost in cyberpunk with my new cpu as did farcry hardly call how they play bad by any means.

the numbers may line up for your viewpoint in your mind atm but they could just as easily change next week or a year back, from what i heard nvidia are not happy that the prices are dropping so quickly and expecting to end production in may to sell off the stock before 4000 series and are expecting to sell some at a loss so take that as you wish.

We agree on the price issue, but i think it's fair to also point out the difference in vram ok it's a touch slower but amd were at least vastly more generous with it, but i agree they should all be cheaper.

Run that EZbench think your find the 6900xt is a fair bit faster than your 2080ti and it's to do with the 8k textures, not everything is purely about DXR and there really are very few DXR games atm I have most of them I think and so far thats 26 games so in general were no where near DXR being the norm and when it is none of the cards out will even matter. They made some changes to EZBench today so hard to say exactly what the difference would be but there would be a difference in 1080p I get 38k and in 1440p I get 28k, 4k 19k.

Nvidia do 2 things right make some useful software and holy batman they are good at marketing the amount of stuff they spew out of jenens mouth and they just straight up get away with it.

 

[Dawelio]

And how is all of this even remotely relevant to the topic at hand, that is regarding the 4090 Ti's massive heatsink design?... Literally 3 pages, of an 4 page thread, that isn't related to the topic at hand.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

And how is all of this even remotely relevant to the topic at hand, that is regarding the 4090 Ti's massive heatsink design?... Literally 3 pages, of an 4 page thread, that isn't related to the topic at hand.

Maybe I'm wrong here so I don't wanna sound mean, but I think this forum is past the point of bothering about whether the conversation is on topic or not. The whole reason why that meme exists and why people say it is to maintain order in a large open forum. OC3D is not a large open forum that lacks order. It's just a few regulars chatting about topics that are interesting to them. I think it's important to keep that alive. But that's just my opinion.

 

[AlienALX]

You were the one bringing up the fps per frame cost.

The prices are all out of wack anyway, even the 3070 is way over msrp, look on overclockers yourself, so you can't base it on any price other than the day you buy.

All cards from all vendors are overpriced the whole way through the stack.

In all honesty I think nvidia are very concerned about rdna3, r&d budgets aside amd seem to have been doing well these days pretty sure they are glad they don't have a $2 stock price any longer.

I fully expect nvidia to make some bold claims when they announce just like when they said a 3080 was twice the performance of a 2080 and it turned out to be less than %70 8k gaming here we come right ?

You can even go into deathloop run in dlss and then turn on fsr2.0 and maybe your see a difference if you zoom your eyes enough or pixel peep on your 2080ti.

The price isnt an argument as they are all overpriced it's that simple, my point is your out and out calling something terrible when the fact is that is vastly far from the truth.

DXR nvidia are ahead but hey i'm not complaining all my DXR games run fine did see a big boost in cyberpunk with my new cpu as did farcry hardly call how they play bad by any means.

the numbers may line up for your viewpoint in your mind atm but they could just as easily change next week or a year back, from what i heard nvidia are not happy that the prices are dropping so quickly and expecting to end production in may to sell off the stock before 4000 series and are expecting to sell some at a loss so take that as you wish.

We agree on the price issue, but i think it's fair to also point out the difference in vram ok it's a touch slower but amd were at least vastly more generous with it, but i agree they should all be cheaper.

Run that EZbench think your find the 6900xt is a fair bit faster than your 2080ti and it's to do with the 8k textures, not everything is purely about DXR and there really are very few DXR games atm I have most of them I think and so far thats 26 games so in general were no where near DXR being the norm and when it is none of the cards out will even matter. They made some changes to EZBench today so hard to say exactly what the difference would be but there would be a difference in 1080p I get 38k and in 1440p I get 28k, 4k 19k.

Nvidia do 2 things right make some useful software and holy batman they are good at marketing the amount of stuff they spew out of jenens mouth and they just straight up get away with it.

Just quickly because I am starting to bang my head on the wall.

Price per FPS is critical. As are features.

They may all be over priced, but the Nvidia cards are the ones worth having.

That's about the end of it.

Going on to the whole derailed thing? that's just a modern passive aggressive meme. Forums are made for discussion. So you discuss. Not post silly memes because you don't want to join the conversation.

This is a big part of the reason why forums are mostly dead now. The rot sets in. You want active posters, not people who won't talk because of said passive aggression.

It's a graphics card pricing performance discussion, so more than on topic enough.