Nvidia's RTX 4090 more popular than any AMD discrete GPU on Steam

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Nvidia's most expensive GPU is more popular than any AMD Radeon GPU on Steam's latest hardware survey.



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[AngryGoldfish]

I think that's pretty cool. Nvidia killed it with the 4090.

 

[Dawelio]

I think that's pretty cool. Nvidia killed it with the 4090.

Disregarding the connector issues and the price, it's one hell of an beast of a GPU.

 

[Warchild]

And this is why Nvidia can charge whatever they want for their cards. People still buy them.
The sad truth though is that even though they make the best cards on the planet, they still charge way too much.

4090 is so good, I honestly think the games industry needs to catch up. Usually its the other way around.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Disregarding the connector issues and the price, it's one hell of an beast of a GPU.

Yeah, the connector thing was an unnecessary issue, I agree. And also, yeah, if the 4090 had been released in 2017 when the 1080Ti was the best GPU ever, if it had come out at that price (plus inflation), just as everyone who could have bought a 1080Ti did, everyone would have bought a 4090. I'd be really curious to see this alternate reality and whether Nvidia would have earned the same amount, less, or more money from it.

 

[NeverBackDown]

This is true because there's no reason to get amd.

 

[AlienALX]

AMD need to give up the covid/mining booms and drop their prices to what they should be.

The market is theirs to take now. Nvidia have made it very clear that they are out of the gaming market, and if you want to game on their GPUs you better bend over. They will make that even more clear with the 50 series, it will be another huge slap in the face.

AMD should do what they did with the 470 and 480 and take back some of the market. Not sit there on cards that are simply not selling.

I would be in for a XTX but I am NOT paying a Nvidia inflated £900 for it. I am just not. It should be no more than £600 and they know it. All the time they keep the prices where they are my wallet shall stay firmly shut.

It's time to give up the dead horse they are trying to flog and get real.

THAT is why Nvidia have sold more 4090s than any AMD cards. When you are that far ahead you can charge what you want to and people will pay it. When you are behind? you need to offer huge value. And AMD have not once attempted to do that since before mining and Covid.

This should be a wake up call to them but it just isn't. Fact is gamers funded Nvidia's research into AI by paying for something that was not worth paying for (RT). Now? Nvidia don't give a stuff about any of them.

Any one who knows me knows for well over a decade I have said that Nvidia needed to find something else and had failed at every attempt. Android boxes = fail. 3Dvision = fail. Gsync = fail. CPUs = fail. Tegra = fail.

They have finally found a use for a GPU other than gaming, and that is it now.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

AMD need to give up the covid/mining booms and drop their prices to what they should be.

The market is theirs to take now. Nvidia have made it very clear that they are out of the gaming market, and if you want to game on their GPUs you better bend over. They will make that even more clear with the 50 series, it will be another huge slap in the face.

AMD should do what they did with the 470 and 480 and take back some of the market. Not sit there on cards that are simply not selling.

I would be in for a XTX but I am NOT paying a Nvidia inflated £900 for it. I am just not. It should be no more than £600 and they know it. All the time they keep the prices where they are my wallet shall stay firmly shut.

It's time to give up the dead horse they are trying to flog and get real.

THAT is why Nvidia have sold more 4090s than any AMD cards. When you are that far ahead you can charge what you want to and people will pay it. When you are behind? you need to offer huge value. And AMD have not once attempted to do that since before mining and Covid.

This should be a wake up call to them but it just isn't. Fact is gamers funded Nvidia's research into AI by paying for something that was not worth paying for (RT). Now? Nvidia don't give a stuff about any of them.

Any one who knows me knows for well over a decade I have said that Nvidia needed to find something else and had failed at every attempt. Android boxes = fail. 3Dvision = fail. Gsync = fail. CPUs = fail. Tegra = fail.

They have finally found a use for a GPU other than gaming, and that is it now.

I don't think Nvidia are out of the gaming market, but it does seem like they're going to continue charging a lot more than AMD for similar raw performance. And yeah, I totally agree, AMD could capitalise on this and take back market share. The the 470 and 480 ended up being very successful for them, but I don't know how much money it made them.

Do you think the XTX could be sold for £600 and still be profitable? That seems doubtful to me. What if Nvidia charged less for the 4080 to match and AMD still sold the same amount of GPUs but earned significantly less for it? I think AMD are playing the safe game. They're slowly increasing their portfolio until a time that they can truly compete. RDNA2 was that and they sold boatloads of GPUs even outside of mining/COVID times. RDNA3 was maybe a bit of a regression, but I'd imagine they made solid money from it. RDNA4 and 5 could be another hit, but I don't think they'll be doing anything drastic with it. It'll just fit safely in.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't think Nvidia are out of the gaming market, but it does seem like they're going to continue charging a lot more than AMD for similar raw performance. And yeah, I totally agree, AMD could capitalise on this and take back market share. The the 470 and 480 ended up being very successful for them, but I don't know how much money it made them.

Do you think the XTX could be sold for £600 and still be profitable? That seems doubtful to me. What if Nvidia charged less for the 4080 to match and AMD still sold the same amount of GPUs but earned significantly less for it? I think AMD are playing the safe game. They're slowly increasing their portfolio until a time that they can truly compete. RDNA2 was that and they sold boatloads of GPUs even outside of mining/COVID times. RDNA3 was maybe a bit of a regression, but I'd imagine they made solid money from it. RDNA4 and 5 could be another hit, but I don't think they'll be doing anything drastic with it. It'll just fit safely in.

Well let's think about it. About 12 ish years ago Nvidia could afford to sell a dual huge core GPU for £600 or so. Adjusted for inflation that is £898.

So yes, I think AMD could easily sell the XTX for £600. Beyond easily, especially given that parts of it use the last node and thus are way cheaper.

At some point as we know, GPUs went from being reasonably affordable to ridiculous. IE, things like the Titan. At that time the 290 Radeon was half the price and AMD were still making money. Because as we know, at that time AMD weren't making s**t from CPUs. Nothing at all.

They survived quite handily through the 470 and 480 too.

The first round of mining spiked GPU prices beyond belief. After which? there was a huge crash back to pre mining prices and lower. The second round of mining + Covid was just a joke. A complete joke.

I categorically DO NOT believe the lies that came out of AMD and Nvidia then. IE the "Well everything now costs so much more". I do not believe that at all. I believe that both instances made them greedy, and now they just do not want to return the pricing back to where it should be for a part of a PC. And they have been fighting that tooth and nail, too.

There was concrete evidence (namely video and audio evidence) of Jen not only telling his shareholders that he would NOT put prices back to pre mining and or Covid AND telling his shareholders he was going to quote "Manipulate the market". And that is exactly what he did. Since that? prices just continue to rise, with seemigly no one wanting to reduce them.

Instead of AMD offering any competition whatsoeever they have just snuggled their vastly inferior GPUs* in line with Nvidia's, even though they are vastly inferior*. At each tier you get like a $50 discount as their apology for this discrepancy and that is it. Even though for years and years AMD have had core issues with pink screens, black screens ETC.

So yes, I do believe I am more than correct in saying that the prices are beyond a joke and they are merely being greedy now.

* OK so in pure raster they are not that bad. The XTX comes nowhere even close to the 4090 though. And that is OK according to AMD though because it costs less !!!1111. Yeah, costs less at around £900 which is insulting.

In RT (who cares. Like really, who cares) and AI (who cares? every one in the world) they are VASTLY inferior.

I saw a thing today that gaming now makes up 13% of Nvidia's revenue. So to them? every gaming GPU they sell is a lost sale for something they could charge five times more for. As such? their prices are just going to keep going up and up and up.

AMD, IMO, do not have the right to price their janky GPUs even close. They have not paid for the R&D Nvidia have. Let's face it right, it is just silicon. That is all. Just a lump cut out of a disc made of sand. What is burned into that silicon IMO is not worth what AMD are attempting to charge. Note attempting, because apparently shelves are sagging and their sales figures on GPUs has collapsed whilst they remain eerily silent on the matter.

At some point they are either going to have to s**t, or get off the pot completely. That or Intel will shove them out of the game completely.

That just offers even more irrefutable evidence. Like, the Intel thing. How ON EARTH can they sell a huge ass die like the ARC at the prices they have?

Just checking, but 406 mm². The 3070 was 392 mm²

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Well let's think about it. About 12 ish years ago Nvidia could afford to sell a dual huge core GPU for £600 or so. Adjusted for inflation that is £898.

So yes, I think AMD could easily sell the XTX for £600. Beyond easily, especially given that parts of it use the last node and thus are way cheaper.

At some point as we know, GPUs went from being reasonably affordable to ridiculous. IE, things like the Titan. At that time the 290 Radeon was half the price and AMD were still making money. Because as we know, at that time AMD weren't making s**t from CPUs. Nothing at all.

They survived quite handily through the 470 and 480 too.

The first round of mining spiked GPU prices beyond belief. After which? there was a huge crash back to pre mining prices and lower. The second round of mining + Covid was just a joke. A complete joke.

I categorically DO NOT believe the lies that came out of AMD and Nvidia then. IE the "Well everything now costs so much more". I do not believe that at all. I believe that both instances made them greedy, and now they just do not want to return the pricing back to where it should be for a part of a PC. And they have been fighting that tooth and nail, too.

There was concrete evidence (namely video and audio evidence) of Jen not only telling his shareholders that he would NOT put prices back to pre mining and or Covid AND telling his shareholders he was going to quote "Manipulate the market". And that is exactly what he did. Since that? prices just continue to rise, with seemigly no one wanting to reduce them.

Instead of AMD offering any competition whatsoeever they have just snuggled their vastly inferior GPUs* in line with Nvidia's, even though they are vastly inferior*. At each tier you get like a $50 discount as their apology for this discrepancy and that is it. Even though for years and years AMD have had core issues with pink screens, black screens ETC.

So yes, I do believe I am more than correct in saying that the prices are beyond a joke and they are merely being greedy now.

* OK so in pure raster they are not that bad. The XTX comes nowhere even close to the 4090 though. And that is OK according to AMD though because it costs less !!!1111. Yeah, costs less at around £900 which is insulting.

In RT (who cares. Like really, who cares) and AI (who cares? every one in the world) they are VASTLY inferior.

I saw a thing today that gaming now makes up 13% of Nvidia's revenue. So to them? every gaming GPU they sell is a lost sale for something they could charge five times more for. As such? their prices are just going to keep going up and up and up.

AMD, IMO, do not have the right to price their janky GPUs even close. They have not paid for the R&D Nvidia have. Let's face it right, it is just silicon. That is all. Just a lump cut out of a disc made of sand. What is burned into that silicon IMO is not worth what AMD are attempting to charge. Note attempting, because apparently shelves are sagging and their sales figures on GPUs has collapsed whilst they remain eerily silent on the matter.

At some point they are either going to have to s**t, or get off the pot completely. That or Intel will shove them out of the game completely.

That just offers even more irrefutable evidence. Like, the Intel thing. How ON EARTH can they sell a huge ass die like the ARC at the prices they have?

Just checking, but 406 mm². The 3070 was 392 mm²

I don't really have any clear evidence for this, but I do remember reading about how inflation is not the only cause for increased GPU prices. Then again, why haven't CPU prices gone up at the same rate? CPU's have increased in price relative to inflation, give or take. So maybe you're right, maybe Nvidia and AMD are milking it because they can, while they can't get away with it in the CPU space. And I remember Jensen saying that about prices. I haven't bought a GPU since the 1080, because I haven't found one I liked enough.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't really have any clear evidence for this, but I do remember reading about how inflation is not the only cause for increased GPU prices. Then again, why haven't CPU prices gone up at the same rate? CPU's have increased in price relative to inflation, give or take. So maybe you're right, maybe Nvidia and AMD are milking it because they can, while they can't get away with it in the CPU space. And I remember Jensen saying that about prices. I haven't bought a GPU since the 1080, because I haven't found one I liked enough.

Well exactly. CPU prices have fallen. Like, big time. Remember when Intel were charging £190 for a quad core? and then £1000 for an 8 core (the 5960x).

So yeah, how can CPU prices continue to fall (and you get more) yet GPU prices have doubled and you get less at every tier?

Yet those dies all come from mostly the same place (TSMC). Intel obviously have their own fabs for the most part, but I wouldn't swear to them not using others for other things now as they closed a load.

Pricing on GPUs has not returned to normal. They just haven't. Pretty much everything else has. TVs, etc etc.

Now obviously Jen has made his position clear, but AMD are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks. At some point something is going to have to give, or they will just exit the market completely leaving it up to Intel.

I mean like, if Intel's next range actually work properly? yeah. Things are going to change. The performance for price on Intel is fantastic, but they just had issues. However, I used one for a whole month and played most of my usual games on it and had barely any problems at all. Well, not with gaming. In gaming it was great. It was just the DP issue with the screen dropping out. Switched to HDMI? problems solved.

I reckon that is quite probably a hardware issue, as Warchild said it was a big issue on laptops with the same setup also.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Well exactly. CPU prices have fallen. Like, big time. Remember when Intel were charging £190 for a quad core? and then £1000 for an 8 core (the 5960x).

So yeah, how can CPU prices continue to fall (and you get more) yet GPU prices have doubled and you get less at every tier?

Yet those dies all come from mostly the same place (TSMC). Intel obviously have their own fabs for the most part, but I wouldn't swear to them not using others for other things now as they closed a load.

Pricing on GPUs has not returned to normal. They just haven't. Pretty much everything else has. TVs, etc etc.

Now obviously Jen has made his position clear, but AMD are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks. At some point something is going to have to give, or they will just exit the market completely leaving it up to Intel.

I mean like, if Intel's next range actually work properly? yeah. Things are going to change. The performance for price on Intel is fantastic, but they just had issues. However, I used one for a whole month and played most of my usual games on it and had barely any problems at all. Well, not with gaming. In gaming it was great. It was just the DP issue with the screen dropping out. Switched to HDMI? problems solved.

I reckon that is quite probably a hardware issue, as Warchild said it was a big issue on laptops with the same setup also.

Yeah, excited to see what Intel will bring with Battlemage.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I don't really have any clear evidence for this, but I do remember reading about how inflation is not the only cause for increased GPU prices. Then again, why haven't CPU prices gone up at the same rate? CPU's have increased in price relative to inflation, give or take. So maybe you're right, maybe Nvidia and AMD are milking it because they can, while they can't get away with it in the CPU space. And I remember Jensen saying that about prices. I haven't bought a GPU since the 1080, because I haven't found one I liked enough.

This is because AMD and Intel are much closer than AMD and Nvidia. It's harder to increase price without losing sales.

Nvidia owns the market. People want it. But if AMD prices just below they may be able to steal a sale because some people don't wait to save up for one more week. So there's no reason to lower the prices. They are selling regardless.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

This is because AMD and Intel are much closer than AMD and Nvidia. It's harder to increase price without losing sales.

Nvidia owns the market. People want it. But if AMD prices just below they may be able to steal a sale because some people don't wait to save up for one more week. So there's no reason to lower the prices. They are selling regardless.

Ahh, yeah, true.

 

[Warchild]

I don't really have any clear evidence for this, but I do remember reading about how inflation is not the only cause for increased GPU prices. Then again, why haven't CPU prices gone up at the same rate? CPU's have increased in price relative to inflation, give or take. So maybe you're right, maybe Nvidia and AMD are milking it because they can, while they can't get away with it in the CPU space. And I remember Jensen saying that about prices. I haven't bought a GPU since the 1080, because I haven't found one I liked enough.

Increased expense on GPU production was also a cause of the price hike. Its the actual reason why EVGA pulled out of the GPU market. Since Nvidia changed reference cards over to the Founders edition marketting, you could buy RTX cards direct from them, cheaper than most AIB resulting in lower sales of all AIB manufacturers too. Not only did they lose out on a complete sale, but those they did sell over time cost more and more to make, as PCBs got even more complex.

Graphs ends at 2022 which is coincidentally when EVGA pulled out.

 

[AlienALX]

Yup. That was a move of pure unadulterated greed. I can see why they did the GTX 460 direct order because they were in deep trouble, but to do that is just pure greed.

AMD on the other hand could do it differently, but nope.

Sigh.

 

[Dawelio]

Since Nvidia changed reference cards over to the Founders edition marketting, you could buy RTX cards direct from them, cheaper than most AIB resulting in lower sales of all AIB manufacturers too.

Not to mention that the Founders Edition looks better (subjective), feels more premium, meanwhile being amongst the smallest cards on the market.

 

[Warchild]

Not to mention that the Founders Edition looks better (subjective), feels more premium, meanwhile being amongst the smallest cards on the market.

looks more premium but I dont think it looks the smallest. Those coolers were thick as hell. I guess what makes it look compact is that cooler is fully shrouded so you can't see the alu vanes etc.

That said. The Gaming X slim from MSI have done a good job of compacting it down.

 

[Dawelio]

looks more premium but I dont think it looks the smallest. Those coolers were thick as hell. I guess what makes it look compact is that cooler is fully shrouded so you can't see the alu vanes etc.

That said. The Gaming X slim from MSI have done a good job of compacting it down.

In terms of 4090's, it's amongst the smallest. Only the ASUS Pro Art is smaller I believe. Otherwise most are even thicker than 3 slots, which the FE is and perhaps longer as well. So that is what I what basing my post on.

 

[Warchild]

In terms of 4090's, it's amongst the smallest. Only the ASUS Pro Art is smaller I believe. Otherwise most are even thicker than 3 slots, which the FE is and perhaps longer as well. So that is what I what basing my post on.

Actually I looked it up. Besides the length which isnt the issue. The Gaming x slim and FE are almost the same. its a difference of 1mm in terms of thickness and width.

FE wins on length because of that unusual V shaped PCB.

But anyway. Considering the price of the 4090 its shocking to hear its success vs AMD. Almost feels like people are exceeding the spending limits and suffering the consequences later.