Nvidia's RTX 4090 graphics card "confirmed" to have a power draw of 600W

[WYP]

Nvidia plans to push power draws higher with the RTX 40 series.



Read more about Nvidia's RTX 4090 alleged TBP of 600W.

 

[g0ggles1994]

600W

You what?

Beyond that, custom RTX 4090 models from Nvidia's AIB partners could consume more than 600 watts of power

600W for the REFERENCE model?


Jesus christ.

 

[KingNosser]

Get your eggs ready it's fermi 2 XD

 

[Warchild]

You what?

600W for the REFERENCE model?


Jesus christ.

Well I dont see founders as a "reference" I always considered reference as base tier in the series.

Times have changed. Founders these days are clocked pretty hard.

 

[Dicehunter]

GPU prices getting higher and higher, Power draw getting higher and higher, Electricity prices getting higher and higher, I think this current gen, 3000 series, Will likely be my last GPU unless things turn drastically around.

 

[AlienALX]

Get your eggs ready it's fermi 2 XD

Fermi 3.

Turing is Fermi 2. It already guzzles a ridiculous amount of power.

600w is insulting tbh. Absolutely insulting.

 

[KingNosser]

Fermi 3.

Turing is Fermi 2. It already guzzles a ridiculous amount of power.

600w is insulting tbh. Absolutely insulting.

Well maybe but fermi 1 was really bad.

Idk if people will be smart enough to realise if they buy such a GPU then expect to pay half the cost extra per year in powering it, 400watt is the most a GPU should demand for the sanity of your wallet.

It'll change once they go chiplet but idk how far away they are on that atm.

the electric costs being higher and likely to rise again around the time these come out your be spending £20 a week just on powering it, my 33% increse feels more like 50% atm i've even gone as far to turn off the hot water as a way to cut down.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well maybe but fermi 1 was really bad.

Idk if people will be smart enough to realise if they buy such a GPU then expect to pay half the cost extra per year in powering it, 400watt is the most a GPU should demand for the sanity of your wallet.

It'll change once they go chiplet but idk how far away they are on that atm.

the electric costs being higher and likely to rise again around the time these come out your be spending £20 a week just on powering it, my 33% increse feels more like 50% atm i've even gone as far to turn off the hot water as a way to cut down.

I know more than a few working people who now have to go to food banks as they can't afford to pay rent, Electricity, Water, Gas and eat, The UK needs a shakeup starting with getting rid of all the "I say what what" types who do nothing but put prices up and siphon money, We're quickly sinking into 3rd world status because of these people and many are leaving the country due to the ever sinking standard of living but steep rising cost of living.

 

[AlienALX]

Well maybe but fermi 1 was really bad.

Idk if people will be smart enough to realise if they buy such a GPU then expect to pay half the cost extra per year in powering it, 400watt is the most a GPU should demand for the sanity of your wallet.

It'll change once they go chiplet but idk how far away they are on that atm.

the electric costs being higher and likely to rise again around the time these come out your be spending £20 a week just on powering it, my 33% increse feels more like 50% atm i've even gone as far to turn off the hot water as a way to cut down.

Fermi 1 wasn't that bad. Seriously look it up. I had two GTX 480s and a I7 950 which was a power guzzler in itself on a 750w PSU and it wasn't a problem. It was taken the pee out of so badly because of the 5000 series AMD. Because they were tiny very power efficient dies. However the 500 series Fermi were much better. Firstly they changed to low leakage transistors and then they stopped stuff like Furmark making them look much worwe than they were .

That said compared to Nvidias 200 series Fermi was actually much more efficient and powerful per watt.

Just remember they put two full fat Fermi dies on one board and cooled it with a single fan. I'd like to see them try that with Turing.

But yeah, most of the Fermi jokes came from ATI owners who had already bought a 5870.

You find it very common in life for people to make fun of things they can't afford.

Doesn't change the fact the 500 series battered AMD and sold ten times as many. Funny how quickly people forget.

 

[KingNosser]

The 500 series was far better i guess still fermi but not what i was refering too, also the power wasn't the issue with fermi 1 it was the heat.

the 2 560ti's i had in SLI lasted longer than my 970's life span never see them days again.

I think we know now why they redesigned the cooler as they must have known ages ago they were going to up the power, but then i may be wrong and it'll be no real difference but i don't see it atm.

I think it's fair to say jokes on both sides is fair they have both made mistakes over the years. I can say this much if either of them make a 600watt GPU I'm not buying it regardless of the jokes or the cost of the card.

I was lucky this gen around it'll not be the same next time i'll have to cough up fully even thou i'd planned too. Saying that should be able to order new CPU next week Ebay have given me a 10% off coupon to use before the 6th of may so i'm going to use that discount just gotta vet the people i buy from in many ways would prefer to pay a little more to get it from a known source, but we'll see.

 

[AlienALX]

The problem with the 470 and 480 was the cooler. That's all, tbh. And that was because Nvidia were a year behind and panicked at the last minute and came up with those awful blower coolers with hot rod heat pipes.

The top card was my GTX 470. I paid £172 for it on OCUK about a month after launch. That Zalman cooler was the same one they used on the 480 Amp! and cost me £27. Below it is a 6970 Lightning. I only "upgraded" because basically BF3 was running out of VRAM. The lighting didn't last long....

I then went to a 7970. You want to talk about hot and loud dude?

That card was so bad I had it less than a month and swapped it for a pair of GTX 480s. I actually told a small white lie. It seems my memory ain't what it was. It was actually a 800w PSU.

Believe me, that was *much* nicer to live with than that 7970. That was when AMD went gung ho on GCN and started making hot power guzzling tanks. Funny how things keep flipping back and forth really lol. Their main argument on the 5000 series was Fermi was a George Foreman grill, yet straight after that they switched to GCN and made plenty of barbeques of their own. Which Nvidia then moved onto the 600 series and did the opposite, kicking AMD's ass with amazing small dies that consumed very little power.

So naturally I sold up the 480s and bought these...

 

[robbiec]

It's an interesting conundrum you're faced with if you're an Intel / Nvidia fan, on one hand you'll probably get the warm fuzzy feeling of having the best gaming platform available but you'll probably be sucking 850+ Watts to it for CPU & GPU alone, pricey to run in this day and age whereas if you go all AMD I doubt you'll hit 550 Watts for 90+% of performance or even better in some workloads. Marketing dollars will win out and the PSU makers will be expecting a very nice uptick in Q4 22 and Q1 22.

 

[KingNosser]

GCN is where AMD went really off track, the blowers were just not great but that is tech and competition back and forth so it continues.

I still have an 850watt PSU even thou no real need it just runs at a lower % so fan is never on and more effective.

I liked the 560ti's alot they were really good cards i liked them more than the 970's Crysis for me on them was not an issue and even used to get a lot of views on my YT benchmarks ect i did for them.

My feeling is atm both sides are a good option in terms of performance it really just depends on which one makes the wrong move and until it happens we'll not know.

 

[Bagpuss]

GPU prices getting higher and higher, Power draw getting higher and higher, Electricity prices getting higher and higher, I think this current gen, 3000 series, Will likely be my last GPU unless things turn drastically around.

None of those factors really matter for the target demographic 4090 buyers, these people would sell their first newborn for cash, in order to feed that e-peen fix and an extra 10fps.

 

[grec]

Yeah people accepted these kinds of power draws when dual GPU cards was a thing. Top ends GPUs in the MCM era are in some ways a true successor to SLI cards, its still a way of combing a companies two largest dies, now just in a much more efficient and easy to use way. I don't think it's an indication of what's to come in the low-mid end, laptops and such are still a huge market so efficiency of the underlying architecture is still critical. Maybe desktop founders edition configs might ship with more aggressive clock speeds, but that's always easy for users or board partners to adjust.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I don't see an issue with a 600W card to be honest. If it performs in line with its power and can be kept quiet, it's an achievement. To make a monolithic die that competes with a multichip design is impressive. And Nvidia still has AI and RT advantages that will make AMD's efficiency and raster claims seem less important. Realistically, if you can afford a card that will probably cost £2000-3000, the higher electricity bills are not going to be a deal breaker. The person that buys a 600HP Audi isn't going to worry that the fuel prices have gone up. I'm actually very excited to see Lovelace and its huge GPUs. As someone who has no interest in buying one, my interest is seeing how they work and perform.

 

[ImprovizoR]

People will still buy them. Miners especially. Until we grow a collective brain and ban POW.

Also, if AMD doesn't have anything to compete with, then it won't be a problem for anyone looking to buy the latest high-end GPU.

Personally, I see no point. The prices are still off the charts and now this. How ironic that the thing that is killing the PC gaming market are manufacturers of PC components.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't see an issue with a 600W card to be honest. If it performs in line with its power and can be kept quiet, it's an achievement. To make a monolithic die that competes with a multichip design is impressive. And Nvidia still has AI and RT advantages that will make AMD's efficiency and raster claims seem less important. Realistically, if you can afford a card that will probably cost £2000-3000, the higher electricity bills are not going to be a deal breaker. The person that buys a 600HP Audi isn't going to worry that the fuel prices have gone up. I'm actually very excited to see Lovelace and its huge GPUs. As someone who has no interest in buying one, my interest is seeing how they work and perform.

I could sort of see the logic in that if it were not for the fact that you simply will not get anywhere near enough for the asking price and cost to run.

There is a major difference between a Ford Fiesta and a R8. Literally everything. The weight, the handling, the power, the suspension. Every single part is completely different. You don't put that sort of horsepower in a horse and buggy.

The big problem here is that it's all the same game industry. IE, you aren't able to do anything that other people are not. Sure you can up the res a bit, turn on nice gritty ray tracing and etc but it won't make you enjoy the game any more. Where as a sports car allows you to enjoy the road and driving WAY more.

And that for me is the crux. After posting those old pics last night I got to thinking about the cost. Even then it was considered stupid over say an Xbox 360. Thing is though, certain games on the 360 were appalling. Like for example FONV. Sure it ran at 1080p but with no AA and frame drops into the single digits at times. So gaming on a PC made it (somewhat) worthwhile for the enormous visual upgrade.

IDK what planet people are living on but £2000 for a GPU is totally unacceptable. Especially when you consider that ten years ago that same elite tier GPU (usually with two dies on it !) cost less than a quarter. Now I know we've had inflation and all, but it just seems that due to the popularity of PCs and PC gaming over that ten year period (because ten years ago a PC gamer was a ginger step child) every company associated with it seem to be totally taking the pee. Like, ass ramming their buyers.

Like I said, the cost of living has not quadrupled over ten years. Nor has the price of new cars, clothes and etc. I mean sure it's all made to cheaper standards and total crap, but it has not sky rocketted. I just bought a 75" TV for £750. Half of what I paid for a 65" completely inferior set 9 years ago.

I don't know how all of this has managed to get past PC owners. Especially when they used to complain at paying £25 for a PC game that was terribly "ported", not optimised for a PC (let alone a £2000 GPU!) and really no different than the console version.

And that hasn't changed has it? Not one bit, unless you count RT. Which obviously doesn't even matter or AMD would not have sold a single Radeon. There's nothing new there. Not shading, not lighting, not AA - nothing. Not double to quadruple the resolution console gaming nor tons of PC exclusives that could possibly make a person high enough to even consider spending £2000 on a GPU.

A high end uber PC used to cost a grand or less. Now they want double that for the GPU alone, stupid prices for high end motherboards (which have also quadrupled in price due to popularity) and god knows what else.

If anything? it's sad that people even have enough disposable income to entertain these completely brainless ideas and purchases.

What game could you come on here and brag about now? Crysis - pmsl. Cyberpunk - lmfao.

No game on the planet is worth spending £2000 on a GPU for. No game. And mining? is so damaging in an eco sense given people are peeing power up the wall and now the power prices have gone insane. Now every one else needs to pay for those who lined their pockets mining. Nice one. Thing is? they won't even benefit because of inflation. Every penny they made will now be taken back as their currency devalues.

I can't even believe I spent £3000 on a PC over two years ago. God only knows what happened there, as I had sworn to stick to consoles. Maybe it was the delay and etc of the Xbox SEX? IDK. But that really is it. I have a gaming PC in two places I can play PUBG with my mates and it won't be long before I do get an Xbox and I will be back off the train.

It's all just so completely ridiculous, and there is no making sense or head nor tail of it. I wouldn't even mind but companies have become so greedy they are making GPUs and back plates out of plastic FFS. That Zalman cooler cost me £27 !!!! the whole thing was alu and it came with a huge alu fin plate for the VRMs etc. *AND* an offboard fan controller !!!!!

 

[KingNosser]

It's not going to get better anytime soon and Intel are not going to make any difference they are going to charge for their cards my cpu upgrade next week will be my last upgrade for a long time, i can't afford it going forward until some sense of normality sets in.

I feel the next gen will come at an added cost it really depends on how much stock they have to shift and if they want to force a price war and that is the case for all 3 i really don't see it happening as much as we'd like to return to older prices i feel the current prices are here to stay.

My main reason for wanting a PC these days game wise is many of the mmo's that we have to pick from, otherwise it's all much of a much ness really, but i won't be getting a console again anytime soon last one i got was the PS4 and that was for ffvii remake so unless something i'm a fan of pops up it'll not happen.

DXR is slowly getting better but thats the whole idea drip feed milk the public over time lol

There is a light at the end of the tunnel thou as they are moving towards 3nm stages now in dev and tbh idk how much longer the shrinking will actually help, the multi chip is the way forward but even over time that can only go so far once we have hit a limit on tech process prices will imho go way up but once you've picked up a decent gpu at that stage it's not going to improve much at all is my feeling atm.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I just want sane prices and power consumption in the mid-upper mid range. They can do whatever they want with higher end cards