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Nvidia's RTX 3090 Ti reportedly has an MSRP of $1499
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KingNosser
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Being honest with 4000 series coming at the end of the year why on earth would you buy one so you can get a 5% boost on 3dmark has to be the most pointless card in years.
gpu prices are going down : No, not at least for me. Scalping is still a big thing here in Spain. With PCcomponentes doing its August with huge scamm/scalping prices.
More over, this price is not to be believed. Prices will be much much worse, even if noone is buying them. This price is the price of an RTX 3080ti. RTX 3090 here are more in the 2000€ (2200$). RTX 3090ti will be more in the 2500€, almost 2800$ here
i don't know where are you seeing this drop in GPU prices, maybe in USA, but not here.
More over, this price is not to be believed. Prices will be much much worse, even if noone is buying them. This price is the price of an RTX 3080ti. RTX 3090 here are more in the 2000€ (2200$). RTX 3090ti will be more in the 2500€, almost 2800$ here
i don't know where are you seeing this drop in GPU prices, maybe in USA, but not here.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I'm sick of high prices and higher power consumption cards. Opposite of the way it used to be. More power for more performance rather than less power for the same amount of power.
Dawelio
Active member
Yeah, I'm so with you on that one. Pulling 400-600W just from a single GPU these days are just insane. The days of the 1080 Ti are gone basically...
Its just a phase, similar to what happened with the NVIDIA 400 series, AMD caught NVIDIA off guard, they tried to make MCM work within a year to compete with AMD but apparently failed, so they needed to come up with a never-before-seen gargantuan die to compete with AMD's MCM performance, which in turn killed their power efficiency. But they are still working on an MCM design. Hopefully RTX 5000 series will come with an MCM design soon after and bring power consumption down to earthly levels. I for one am skipping RTX 4000 entirelly, I can already see the piles of dead RTX 4XXX GPUS with cold solder joints, defective RAM modules and blown out VRM components.
If NVIDIA ends up losing the performance war they want to make sure it's for as little as possible, but of course they will try to keep the performance crown even if they need to release an RTX 4090Ti SUPER with 1000W Power draw and you need two PSUs to power a system with it.
In a way it's a good thing, it will delay NVIDIA's plans to raise their GPU prices, AMD will probably try to keep prices as is so they can gain market share liek they did with Ryzen.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Well we've still got around 5+ months until the 4000 series and competitive benchmarkers will love this, Any advantage no matter how small is welcome to those people, For a high end gamer though this would be a silly purchase.
AlienALX
Well-known member
It will be ages and ages before we see power draw drop.
This was bound to happen. I've explained why many times, but again just for clarity.
Everything after Fermi was cut down. Fermi was a tank, fantastic for many things but gaming wasn't one of its strongest suits. Trying to win with muscles has never been in the interest of gamers.
At that time AMD had their 5000 series. Which were the complete opposite. In games? there was very little difference. After the 500 series Nvidia realised they could do the same. In comparison the 600 series Nvidia dies were absolutely tiny. Even the Titan was tiny in comparison to the GTX 480.
They realised that lower core counts and smaller dies meant less heat and way higher clock speeds. And that continued until Pascal. However, if they ever wanted RT? then it was going to be back to the big dies. Mostly because you not only need a whole world of muscle but you also need the RT hardware they are using itself. Which makes the dies even bigger. And thus, power use will sky rocket like it did with the 200 series Nvidias and then Fermi.
Get used to it. For them to be able to put the amount of crap on a die that RT needs? it will just continue this way.
IIRC the next gen is what? 4nm? TSMC? yet the power use is apparently off the charts. That is again down to what a GPU now needs.
In ways RT is the future. However, we kind of hit a limiter with Pascal. Like, a 1080Ti was powerful enough to throw any game out there around at stupid high FPS levels. And had it not been for RT? it would have been able to do so long into the future. It was Nvidia stepping on the RT train that has basically in a way set us back 10 years. Because we are still very much in the beta phase of RT. 20 series? was the alpha stage. It will be 10 years before GPUs are powerful enough to do it properly and thoroughly.
I suppose Nvidia just felt like they needed to go back in time and bring something out that at first seems totally pointless. Kinda like Physx cards and then Physx etc. Bottom line is once GPUs became powerful enough they didn't need Physx cores or any snake oil. Same goes for 3D vision and god knows what else they feel they had to invent to try and keep sales going.
Yeah, RT could prove to be much better and probably will, but it doesn't stop things sucking for a long time because of it.
This was bound to happen. I've explained why many times, but again just for clarity.
Everything after Fermi was cut down. Fermi was a tank, fantastic for many things but gaming wasn't one of its strongest suits. Trying to win with muscles has never been in the interest of gamers.
At that time AMD had their 5000 series. Which were the complete opposite. In games? there was very little difference. After the 500 series Nvidia realised they could do the same. In comparison the 600 series Nvidia dies were absolutely tiny. Even the Titan was tiny in comparison to the GTX 480.
They realised that lower core counts and smaller dies meant less heat and way higher clock speeds. And that continued until Pascal. However, if they ever wanted RT? then it was going to be back to the big dies. Mostly because you not only need a whole world of muscle but you also need the RT hardware they are using itself. Which makes the dies even bigger. And thus, power use will sky rocket like it did with the 200 series Nvidias and then Fermi.
Get used to it. For them to be able to put the amount of crap on a die that RT needs? it will just continue this way.
IIRC the next gen is what? 4nm? TSMC? yet the power use is apparently off the charts. That is again down to what a GPU now needs.
In ways RT is the future. However, we kind of hit a limiter with Pascal. Like, a 1080Ti was powerful enough to throw any game out there around at stupid high FPS levels. And had it not been for RT? it would have been able to do so long into the future. It was Nvidia stepping on the RT train that has basically in a way set us back 10 years. Because we are still very much in the beta phase of RT. 20 series? was the alpha stage. It will be 10 years before GPUs are powerful enough to do it properly and thoroughly.
I suppose Nvidia just felt like they needed to go back in time and bring something out that at first seems totally pointless. Kinda like Physx cards and then Physx etc. Bottom line is once GPUs became powerful enough they didn't need Physx cores or any snake oil. Same goes for 3D vision and god knows what else they feel they had to invent to try and keep sales going.
Yeah, RT could prove to be much better and probably will, but it doesn't stop things sucking for a long time because of it.
AlienALX
Well-known member
TBH dude it would be a silly purchase for any one. The next gen will be much better and faster.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
The 4000 series is a bad argument. It'll also be scarce and overpriced. It's still worth getting a new GPU right now.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
While very true 5 months in the extreme world record benchmarking scene is a lifetime, That's the only people that would get any real use out of this until next gen launches, I'd wager all the pro-clockers are already being sent samples.
Dawelio
Active member
Yeah, even I who isn't that knowledgeable in this department still kind have the same feeling regarding that part.
AlienALX
Well-known member
I don't know why.
There was no shortage of 2000 series cards. There was no shortage of Pascal cards, or Maxwell cards. There has never been a shortage of anything leading to scarcity in all of the time I can remember.
Ampere dropped during a pandemic, with terrible yields and god knows what else. I don't expect that to be the same for the next series, especially with TSMC at the helm.
Expensive? maybe. Scarce? I doubt it. We are not in a pandemic any more and people are crashing back to their financial reality.
You also need to see the market around you. There are cards in stock everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. What do you think retailers will do with those? send them back to Nvidia etc? lol not a chance. How do you think that big pile of stock will play out when a new card comes out? I will tell you.
Scarce or not the 4000 series are going to have a lot of competition. Mainly from the 3000 series that are over stocked everywhere right now. Those need to be sold, especially if a new card comes out. Mostly because they are not really desirable any more. Especially over two years after they launched. Why do you think the 3000 cards and Radeons out there are not flying from shelves now that they are available at much lower prices?
Either those who wanted them have them, or the buzz has worn off, or we are coming out of the pandemic and people are returning to reality. Either way? they'll be sold off for peanuts.
This used to happen all the damn time. I bought a GTX 480 from OCUK for £270 down from £450 about two months after launch. I bought a 6970 Lightning for £189.99 down from £400 shortly after. That is how it used to work. I would wait until one gen was coming to the end and places were selling off the previous gen for next to nothing. In the case of the 480? Nvidia had just announced the 580.
And that is how it should work. And has worked for many years. It would have happened too with the 2000 series but did not because it overlapped the 3000 in the pandemic. However, toward the end of the 2000 series before the 3000 were announced? dude I bought a 2070 non super for £300 or less. EVGA had just announced the 2060 with the cut back 2080 die for around £250 was it? and things were looking good.
And when Intel come into the arena? they will be making as much noise as humanly possible. And most of that noise will be cut prices to get people on board. Meaning the other two? will have to follow suit.
It's almost a buyer's market again. Hang in there
