WYP
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What is Geforce RTX, Software or Hardware?
Read more about Nvidia's Trademarks for Turing, Quadro RTX, and Geforce RTX.
Read more about Nvidia's Trademarks for Turing, Quadro RTX, and Geforce RTX.
Nvidia Trademarks Turing, Quadro RTX and Geforce RTX
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so what does this mean for gamers....
AMD cards will be slowed down just like nvidia did with gameworks, hairworks.
nvidia accepted a drop in framerates because of stupid implementation of some features, because AMD cards showed an even greater drop ... making nvidia look good/better.
that was with INTEND. the games could run faster on both nvidia and AMD cards. but nvidia wanted to make AMD look bad.
how did they do that? because game engines are calculating polygons, triangles that are not visible.
tesselation of objects not visible or using stupidly high default settings (that made barely any visible difference). all that affects nvidia cards too but way less than AMD cards.
because with AMD cards some features (physX for example) must be calculated on the CPU.
nvidia has features implemented on the GPU that help with physx, hairworks, etc.
AMD can not do all this stuff on the GPU.
ok, so i expect nvidia cards to calculate these effects faster.
but nvidia also unnecessarily sacrifices speed (stupidly high default settings) so AMD looks even worse.
one example is hairworks in witcher.
some may say.... "yeah but that´s because of lazy coders".
but most titles where this pattern is obvious are developed in close relationship with nvidia.
also older nvidia cards are slowed down just because of one or two features nobody will really notice. -> planned obsolence. just look at what they did in witcher and other titles.
raytracing will be important in AAA titles in 2022 i guess. until then you will see a few titles that have some raytracing stuff in it that makes AMD cards look like crap performance wise. these titles, with the raytracing features enabled, will only really playable on the most expensive nvidia cards.
will you see a real difference in most games?
guessing from experience i say no.... not until around 2022.
but nvidia will have a tool to make AMD GPU´s look even worse than they are (no question nvidia has better GPU´s today).
and they will sure help producing some titles wich will make gear freaks want to update.
TITAN GTX... that is old stuff you need a TITAN RTX!!
AMD cards will be slowed down just like nvidia did with gameworks, hairworks.
nvidia accepted a drop in framerates because of stupid implementation of some features, because AMD cards showed an even greater drop ... making nvidia look good/better.
that was with INTEND. the games could run faster on both nvidia and AMD cards. but nvidia wanted to make AMD look bad.
how did they do that? because game engines are calculating polygons, triangles that are not visible.
tesselation of objects not visible or using stupidly high default settings (that made barely any visible difference). all that affects nvidia cards too but way less than AMD cards.
because with AMD cards some features (physX for example) must be calculated on the CPU.
nvidia has features implemented on the GPU that help with physx, hairworks, etc.
AMD can not do all this stuff on the GPU.
ok, so i expect nvidia cards to calculate these effects faster.
but nvidia also unnecessarily sacrifices speed (stupidly high default settings) so AMD looks even worse.
one example is hairworks in witcher.
some may say.... "yeah but that´s because of lazy coders".
but most titles where this pattern is obvious are developed in close relationship with nvidia.
also older nvidia cards are slowed down just because of one or two features nobody will really notice. -> planned obsolence. just look at what they did in witcher and other titles.
raytracing will be important in AAA titles in 2022 i guess. until then you will see a few titles that have some raytracing stuff in it that makes AMD cards look like crap performance wise. these titles, with the raytracing features enabled, will only really playable on the most expensive nvidia cards.
will you see a real difference in most games?
guessing from experience i say no.... not until around 2022.
but nvidia will have a tool to make AMD GPU´s look even worse than they are (no question nvidia has better GPU´s today).
and they will sure help producing some titles wich will make gear freaks want to update.
TITAN GTX... that is old stuff you need a TITAN RTX!!
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TheF34RChannel
New member
Maybe AMD should get out of their lazy chair and start cooking up something then, be innovative for a change 
or do you expect one company (Nvidia) to consider another company's (AMD) feelings? All this whining needs to end.
or do you expect one company (Nvidia) to consider another company's (AMD) feelings? All this whining needs to end.NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Maybe AMD should get out of their lazy chair and start cooking up something then, be innovative for a change
Has nothing to do with whining. Bad business practices and shady ones at that are not fair. There's a reason laws exist and why companies get sued. Like MS leveraging there market share way back when and made it so the default internet browser was internet explorer. Making it so other companies were at a disadvantage compared to IE and couldn't compete. Anti competitive practices are illegal because Monopolies form. Monopolies are illegal.
I expect more from you dude.
looz
Active member
Some might argue they're good business practices, since it's helped Nvidia earn quite a bit.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Some might argue they're good business practices, since it's helped Nvidia earn quite a bit.
That is literally because it's becoming a monopoly and therefore is taking in all the money the market has to offer. It's virtually exactly the definition of a monopoly.
Kleptobot
Member
Maybe AMD should get out of their lazy chair and start cooking up something then, be innovative for a change
AMD does plenty of innovation, just tends to support open standards rather than closed ones.
Hetrogenous computing http://www.hsafoundation.com/
Freesync VS G-Sync
OpenCL vs Cuda
AMD's Mantle which is now Vulkan
So there is no lack of innovation just a lack of top end performance, the middle ground is still fairly competitive, and far less market penetration.
AlienALX
Well-known member
AMD have been lacking when it comes to innovation over the past few years. Whether this is down to laziness (doubt it) or money (more than likely) I don't know. Before we all rattle off all of the things Nvidia have (the rubbish I wish would all die in the face) remember that AMD were doing stuff like that with TressFX. They were also getting in with more game creators making sure their cards were optimised for those games and so on.
However, ever since the Fury series they have just seemed to stop innovating and are doing nothing, which has meant Nvidia can come along with all of this BS tech (that I think is BS any way as it does not improve gameplay) using it as a hard sell (when really it is not important at all).
All of this rubbish (TressFX* Gameworks, Hairworks etc) needs to die in the face.
*At least TressFX ran very well on Nvidia hardware.
But yeah, many years ago there was a big argument that stuff like Physx could be easily done via software (and thus run well on both manu's cards) but neither are interested about the deep down improvement of games. They just want cash, and it's been made blatantly obvious over the years.
Which is why gaming has been so held back IMO.
However, ever since the Fury series they have just seemed to stop innovating and are doing nothing, which has meant Nvidia can come along with all of this BS tech (that I think is BS any way as it does not improve gameplay) using it as a hard sell (when really it is not important at all).
All of this rubbish (TressFX* Gameworks, Hairworks etc) needs to die in the face.
*At least TressFX ran very well on Nvidia hardware.
But yeah, many years ago there was a big argument that stuff like Physx could be easily done via software (and thus run well on both manu's cards) but neither are interested about the deep down improvement of games. They just want cash, and it's been made blatantly obvious over the years.
Which is why gaming has been so held back IMO.
