SPS
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RT won't flop because it is the only way to fix rasterization errors, it's the natural transition - it has to start somewhere and this is a good starting point. I'm intrigued to see AMD's take on DXR.
Nvidia RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti Review
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RT won't flop because it is the only way to fix rasterization errors, it's the natural transition - it has to start somewhere and this is a good starting point. I'm intrigued to see AMD's take on DXR.
AlienALX
Well-known member
I've never called them ports. Cross compiled? I think that would be more accurate.
But seriously, just to show how terrible the price of these cards are..
I bought a 50" (or 55, can't recall) TV for £349 on Amazon. It is 4k, and was a 2017 model. I then bought a XB1x (scorpio ed to be exact) for £340 and then a butt load of games, new pads etc. I now have four battery packs, two controllers, 12 games or so and I have spent less than £1000 *total*.
That is how insane RTX prices are.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B073VPXXCP/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
49" 4k. Still in stock.
AMD will win, IMO. They will have the RT tech that goes into the consoles, and thus *every one* develops for.
I now have a new saying. "If it doesn't run on a console I don't want it". Saves me getting my hopes up tbh.
I feel AMD will reveal their RT tech with a console tbh. Maybe next round? maybe the one after it don't matter. They are in with Sony and M$ for the long haul eh?
But seriously, just to show how terrible the price of these cards are..
I bought a 50" (or 55, can't recall) TV for £349 on Amazon. It is 4k, and was a 2017 model. I then bought a XB1x (scorpio ed to be exact) for £340 and then a butt load of games, new pads etc. I now have four battery packs, two controllers, 12 games or so and I have spent less than £1000 *total*.
That is how insane RTX prices are.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B073VPXXCP/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
49" 4k. Still in stock.
AMD will win, IMO. They will have the RT tech that goes into the consoles, and thus *every one* develops for.
I now have a new saying. "If it doesn't run on a console I don't want it". Saves me getting my hopes up tbh.
I feel AMD will reveal their RT tech with a console tbh. Maybe next round? maybe the one after it don't matter. They are in with Sony and M$ for the long haul eh?
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Lonestar166
New member
Excellent review
Most excellent review, many thanks. The time has come to replace my two Maxwell Titan X cards. [FONT="][/FONT]
Most excellent review, many thanks. The time has come to replace my two Maxwell Titan X cards. [FONT="][/FONT]
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
But if the 2080Ti supposedly can barely run Exodus with RT, how is a console from AMD going to? Maybe the RT will be incredibly limited, or virtually undetectable, compared to Nvidia and the PC. Therefore the gap between the console and PC will remain. Enthusiasts who want the best and can afford it will go PC; people who don't care enough or can't afford it will sacrifice it for 'second rate' Ray-Tracing, or none at all.
Master&Puppet
New member
Hmm well this is food for thought. It may be hugely pricey and not a justifiable upgrade from the 10 series from what we have seen but from where I'm sitting with a 980ti under the hood that 2080ti is 2 or 3 times faster...
Oh and :wavey: I got to the end. Thanks for another insightful ramble TTL.
Oh and :wavey: I got to the end. Thanks for another insightful ramble TTL.
AlienALX
Well-known member
That is just Nvidia's method. AMD could make, for example, a quad core GPU and dedicate two to RT. Sure I read it would be a part of Vulkan.
What we don't know and likely never will (rather conveniently I feel) is what would happen if you ran RT on Pascal.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It quite literally won't run and if it does run it'll be the best slideshow you've ever seen.
Not sure why you and a few others are so annoyingly negative about Ray Tracing(not this post I quote but I've seen it since the announcement). It's not going away. It looks phenomenal. And it's finally here. It's quite literally the next step in graphics rendering. Everything we have done in the past was wrong for lighting. We got it close to RT but not exact(just impossible to do). Accurate real world lighting is something we couldn't do in real time. We finally can. This is what game developers have been aiming since forever. It's not going away. It's going to start getting more and more prevalent. Devs are going support it. There's no question.
So we can all please just stop about the RT? Like I get it these cards aren't going to be very good at it unless you get the 2080ti. But really outside of that it's not going anywhere and only going to get better
/End rant.
jimma47
New member
First GPU launch I've seen that my local etailer PCCasegear hasn't sold out of by the time I get to work in the morning. We're a week away from the Ti's release in Aus yet so maybe people are holding out. 1080/Ti prices here are still the same as the day they were released.
They have said however that they had quite a few 1080ti sales yesterday in response to the reviews and pricing so yeah I think you boys are on the money here.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It'll have to be both. Windows is to big of a OS to not support it. Especially since Vulkan is so rare. I'm sure Vulkan is already working on it but Devs will use DX. So they have to support it and if Nvidia is supporting it that just means AMD has more reason to support it. Or rather no choice.
Korreborg
Member
Well i'm getting what Nvidia are thinking. 2080 = 1080ti performance + Tensor + RT = Around the same price ponit = Awesome bargain.
2080ti even more awesome = higher price.
BUT!
1. the 1080ti is to expensive in the first place. And then put 70% on top of that :/
2. the cards seems like they are rushed. DLSS and RT sounds to be game changers, but i want proff. How can they launch a card, and no one knows what's going to happen. The AMD fanboy will probably like it, as the card will keep getting better and better
But in my book they are still good enough that it's a no brainer to get the 2080 instead of the 1080ti, if you don't want to buy a used card. The tensor cores could mean a lot in the future. But who knows. Maybe a 2080ti is a good idea. The 3080ti could be 15% more performance and a 70% price increase
2080ti even more awesome = higher price.
BUT!
1. the 1080ti is to expensive in the first place. And then put 70% on top of that :/
2. the cards seems like they are rushed. DLSS and RT sounds to be game changers, but i want proff. How can they launch a card, and no one knows what's going to happen. The AMD fanboy will probably like it, as the card will keep getting better and better
But in my book they are still good enough that it's a no brainer to get the 2080 instead of the 1080ti, if you don't want to buy a used card. The tensor cores could mean a lot in the future. But who knows. Maybe a 2080ti is a good idea. The 3080ti could be 15% more performance and a 70% price increase
Zoot
Active member
Definitely.
Vega really was a disappointment, it wasn't a total failure since the 56 competed well with the 1070, but there was no 1080Ti level competitor really. It would have been lovely to see Nvidia have to chop the price of the 1080Ti, but it didn't happen.
I kind of wish we could have AMD release something like the HD 4870 again where it made such a mockery of the GTX 280 with price back (hard to believe!) 10 years ago.
To be truthful, the 2080 and 2080Ti are too expensive for me. I'll have to see where the prices of the 2070 end up which is probably what I would buy anyway. If the 1080Ti ends up being better value, I might just wait for prices to drop and make that my next upgrade.
SPS
Moderator
No I mean AMD's support for DXR.
Hey Tom, thanks for the review. Nice to read as always. 
One question though: What's up with SLI? I've read many reviews of the 20xx cards and some mentioned the new NVLink connector while others don't. But no one actually tested the feature and put two cards together to see what it's like. Is there some kind of NDA preventing that publishing of SLI results or does no one really care?
The new NVLink bridges are already on the Nvidia webstore to buy...
Cheers.
One question though: What's up with SLI? I've read many reviews of the 20xx cards and some mentioned the new NVLink connector while others don't. But no one actually tested the feature and put two cards together to see what it's like. Is there some kind of NDA preventing that publishing of SLI results or does no one really care?
The new NVLink bridges are already on the Nvidia webstore to buy...
Cheers.
Lonestar166
New member
I as well am very disappointed that I have found no SLI benchmarks anywhere. I received my NVLink connector yesterday from Nvidia, still waiting for my two RTX 2080 Ti Turbo Edition cards to show up. It's time to upgrade my Maxwell Titan X cards. I am hoping Tom will do an SLI review ASAP.Hey Tom, thanks for the review. Nice to read as always.
One question though: What's up with SLI? I've read many reviews of the 20xx cards and some mentioned the new NVLink connector while others don't. But no one actually tested the feature and put two cards together to see what it's like. Is there some kind of NDA preventing that publishing of SLI results or does no one really care?
The new NVLink bridges are already on the Nvidia webstore to buy...
Cheers.
P.S. Hello to Toby.
SPS
Moderator
Wow, very nice. You for sure wasted no time getting the new stuff, even without knowing what you actually get. True enthusiast. I like that. :beerchug:
Maybe you can enlighten us when you have everything set up and running.
My two 980Ti's in SLI are beginning to age and I have to admit that I was a bit disapointed lately with the performance and usefulness of SLI in general as more and more games just do not get very noticable performance gains from it. Instead it often has some nasty bugs and disadvantages that forces me to set the cards to Single-GPU mode. It definitely has gotten worse over time.
Hopefully NVLink will bring back proper SLI and maybe even get some different rendering modes other than AFR. ^_^
looz
Active member
Smaller node side Vega might have some potential, maybe switching to GDDR5 might help drive the costs down, though I have no idea if the architecture practically requires HBM.
Maybe their strength in computational power could be utilized in their own DXR implementation, though again, not sure if that's feasible either.
Either way they need to deliver a card which can match 1080 or so, at a reasonable price and also actually get it to shelves as well. That would force Nvidia rethink their pricing as well in the mid range.
High end card probably isn't achievable for AMD, maybe Intel could deliver on that front once they release their discreet cards.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Learn to understand.
I am not negative about RT (even though I know for a fact that graphics do not a good game make) I am just sick of Nvidia's BS. It is marring an otherwise fantastic leap in technology.
Or rather than leap should I instead say pigeon step, given nothing whatsoever was ready for launch?
There are not even enough actually great games any more, with or without RT. I think maybe you should get your priorities straight.
