Nvidia reportedly told Massdrop to expect GPU prices to increase until Q3 2018

[tannji]

"reportedly"...? What does that even mean? I think they/someone made it up. It may come true, it's a 50/50 chance after all it sure looks like it though!



In my view (names are hypothetical):

Professional: Titan, quadro, tesla etc.
Enthusiast: 2080 ti
high end: 2070, 2080
mid range: 2060, etc.



Yeah, and yet halve the internet still chatters on about ampere so they're definitely not keeping up

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[TheF34RChannel]

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A week after Turing was outed even more by GN, and Ampere debunked, many tech shows still mentioned the latter for gaming and the former for most mining - and face palming is all I could do (they proclaim to bring the latest tech news...right...)

 

[tannji]

Journalism is dead. I tend to believe that objective thought is close upon it's heels. It's more important to have a quick, "authoritative" take than to know what you are talking about, and the art of discourse fails whenever you show data to support your opinion.

 

[AlienALX]

Samsung invested almost $30 billion domestically in new fabs last year. They invested another $6 billion in fab upgrades. They also have a huge stake in plants in China, with a plant built in 2014 in Xi'an, and a second plant underway there now, and are slated to invest another $22 billion+ this year, as they seek to become the worlds largest semi conductor supplier this year. China is in the middle of building fabs to enter NAND production, and to nominally compete with Samsung. (to the tune of about $70 billion so far) Given China's history, it will take them years to make that viable, let alone competitive with Samsung, and I rather doubt it ever will become so. Actual Chinese NAND will probably start life as the budget option for companies that do not have the budget or the need for cutting edge memory. There is indeed a market for cheap, low end RAM, but I seriously doubt we will be seeing it in mainstream graphics cards or as RAM in in anything other than sub $500 PC builds. China does have a lot going for it, with its government as the driving force and main investor. Alliances with Microsoft, AMD, Global Foundries and scores of other companies means that China will indeed grab a large slice of the semi conductor market. Scary stuff, but also beneficial in the long run, just as AMD's Ryzen has benefitted even the staunchest of Intel fanboys. As China moves into actual CPU and SoC is where I get concerned. Given the government's firm hand and access to everything they invest in and allow to be produced, I will have strong concerns about chinese devices and components in my household.

Dude I'm not being funny but you need to punctuate. I can't even read your post on my phone so please make them more forum friendly, if you want them read.

 

[tannji]

Dude I'm not being funny but you need to punctuate. I can't even read your post on my phone so please make them more forum friendly, if you want them read.

I will endeavor to please, but I do not see a failure in punctuation. Perhaps you mean formatting, like adding spacing between lines? I do not read much of anything on a phone, so by saying "Forum Friendly" I can only take it you mean phone friendly?

Let me know... as an insipid American I am eager to please, and uncommonly accommodating to the preferences of others.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I will endeavor to please, but I do not see a failure in punctuation. Perhaps you mean formatting, like adding spacing between lines? I do not read much of anything on a phone, so by saying "Forum Friendly" I can only take it you mean phone friendly?

Let me know... as an insipid American I am eager to please, and uncommonly accommodating to the preferences of others.

Your post was fine. Not sure what he's on about.

 

[tannji]

Your post was fine. Not sure what he's on about.

Thanks, but while I am not admitting to being merely or solely sarcastic, there is an element to my reply that I would not expend to much time or energy trying to defend, either. We insipids have legitimate faults too! = )

 

[AlienALX]

Your post was fine. Not sure what he's on about.

It's a wall if text with no spacing in it to compensate for forum readers using a phone or low res screen.

 

[Dawelio]

It's a wall if text with no spacing in it to compensate for forum readers using a phone or low res screen.

I’m on an iPhone right now and can read his post just fine.

 

[NeverBackDown]

It's a wall if text with no spacing in it to compensate for forum readers using a phone or low res screen.

I was on a phone when I read it. It was fine.

 

[MacLeod]

That, coupled with a load of crap games will probably be the end of PC gaming. I mean really, who wants to pay £40 for BOP? Is that really the best they can do?

There's some truth in that. I've been playing games on a PC since my Commodore 64 back in the early 80's and listening to people say PC gaming is dying for almost as long. However, this mining frenzy could very well do what naysayers have been prophesying about for 3 decades. With GPU prices around $1000 right now, nobody is going to buy one to play games on. And like you said, add to that flop after flop of game releasees and all the crap publishers like EA are doing and the PC gaming future isn't too bright.

 

[NeverBackDown]

There's some truth in that. I've been playing games on a PC since my Commodore 64 back in the early 80's and listening to people say PC gaming is dying for almost as long. However, this mining frenzy could very well do what naysayers have been prophesying about for 3 decades. With GPU prices around $1000 right now, nobody is going to buy one to play games on. And like you said, add to that flop after flop of game releasees and all the crap publishers like EA are doing and the PC gaming future isn't too bright.

False.
For like the 100th time. It's not just miners. It was memory supply. Memory supply caused less supply and then the mining craze happened. That was a snowball affect and now we are in this situation. It's not entirely the miners fault.

However outside of that. The mining thing has had a small impact for gamers. I mean I just helped 2 people build computers for gaming!
On top of that. Most gamers buy OEM. And OEMs aren't affected by this because they get first priority and buy directly from Nvidia/AMD at normal prices. So gamers who buy OEM are getting good deals.
On top of that, most people looking at the $1000 cards aren't new gamers. The 1080tis selling for that high are enthusiast. The 1060s/580s are expensive but not to bad all things considered and is where the majority of new gamers look at

And lastly if anybody says gaming is dying and PC gaming in particular, they are full of it. It's been going up year in and year out since forever. It makes more money than the movie industry. It's the best selling form of entertainment in the world. It past the $30billion mark I believe 2 years ago. It's not expected to slow down either

 

[AlienALX]

I didn't say you guys had a problem reading it, I said I did.

LOL that's like me saying "Well I've got a bad leg so I couldn't walk to the shop" and loads of dudes turning up saying "well I don't have a bad leg and walked to the shops fine".

I am using a Blackberry Porsche. Quite a small phone with a small screen. You know? a phone, not a phablet. It's not terribly hi res either. Mostly because I realised that I used it very little and was sick of lugging a 5.5 around everywhere.

And yeah, totally agreed on the memory supply thing. Near on everything uses some sort of memory these days. Ds2? carts, with memory in. Memory sticks, USB thumb drives, SD cards, micro SD cards. Seriously, nearly everything modern uses some sort of memory in some sort of shape or form.

It's no one thing's fault, it's everything. I think there has also, over the past couple of years, been an explosion in tablet/phone sales as the more elderly of the population have started to realise they have no choice. My mother has now owned two tablets in the last two years, both of which have RAM, memory based storage and so on.

 

[tannji]

I didn't say you guys had a problem reading it, I said I did.

LOL that's like me saying "Well I've got a bad leg so I couldn't walk to the shop" and loads of dudes turning up saying "well I don't have a bad leg and walked to the shops fine".

I am using a Blackberry Porsche. Quite a small phone with a small screen. You know? a phone, not a phablet. It's not terribly hi res either. Mostly because I realised that I used it very little and was sick of lugging a 5.5 around everywhere.

And yeah, totally agreed on the memory supply thing. Near on everything uses some sort of memory these days. Ds2? carts, with memory in. Memory sticks, USB thumb drives, SD cards, micro SD cards. Seriously, nearly everything modern uses some sort of memory in some sort of shape or form.

It's no one thing's fault, it's everything. I think there has also, over the past couple of years, been an explosion in tablet/phone sales as the more elderly of the population have started to realise they have no choice. My mother has now owned two tablets in the last two years, both of which have RAM, memory based storage and so on.

You did say that you couldn't read it, but you also said that if I wanted it read, I

should change it, which comes off as a little more than saying only you couldn't read

it. Moving on.

Phone sale have been slumping and tablet sales have fallen off a cliff in recent years.

It is part of the reason I got out of the industry, as one the one hand Samsung

slashed production of tablets in particular, while simultaneously demanding that their

employees maintain and grow unit sales numbers. The next job I had as area

Manager for a large Wireless Vendor was short lived, as they required you to maintain

a 2:1 ration of phone to tablet sales. Their house brand tablets were crap, and all of

the wireless variety. It was entirely unsustainable. When I pointed out to the regional

sale manager that he was incorrect in saying that demand for tablets was up, as

manufacturers had pretty uniformly cut production across the board more than 18

months prior, my sales goals nearly doubled, costing me and others our jobs.

However, phones ARE somewhat responsible in the RAM shortage, because even

though sales are flat at best, nearly all phones now require significant RAM, from

entry level on up.

 

[AlienALX]

I mentioned that phones had reached a plateau the other day, and that it was no longer the problem.

As I say, everything in this day and age uses some sort of memory. Hell, even the programmable RGB Pacman lamp I have uses some sort of RAM.

I think the phone boom is over, though. People are beginning to realise that they just don't need more than what they have and that £1000 for the latest model is simply too much. It's all fun and smiles when you queue for eight hours to pay £500 for a phone, but we have now reached the part where people's squeaky alarm kicks in and they realise they are being had.

Just a shame that took so long. Any way, once the Chinese fabs are up and running this should no longer be an issue, but that means another year of nothing in the world of PC gaming because it won't be sorted until 2019 at the very earliest. RAM prices (for PCs) is also set to continue rising.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I had the intention of upgrading my smartphone after my two-year contract, but I've now reduced my contract payments instead and won't be upgrading. 22 months in and I'm still quite contented with my current phone so why bother? I've already wasted money not reducing my package down four months ago (which would equate to €60), but it's never too late. I kept my HTC One m7 for three years. I'll probably keep my HTC 10 for three years as well. These cats replacing their phones once a year or even two are silly to me. Modern phones can do nothing my 2 year-old phone can't do.

In my view (names are hypothetical):

Professional: Titan, Quadro, Tesla etc.
Enthusiast: 2080 Ti
High end: 2070, 2080
Mid range: 2060, etc.

Yeah, that's how I view it as well. I know that the XX70/XX80 cards have smaller die sizes, but they have high price tags and perform extremely well and have done so for many years. That's enough for me to classify them as 'high-end'.

 

[tannji]

"I kept my HTC One m7 for three years. I'll probably keep my HTC 10 for three years as well. These cats replacing their phones once a year or even two are silly to me. Modern phones can do nothing my 2 year-old phone can't do."

But, but, but..... yeah, you are entirely correct.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

"I kept my HTC One m7 for three years. I'll probably keep my HTC 10 for three years as well. These cats replacing their phones once a year or even two are silly to me. Modern phones can do nothing my 2 year-old phone can't do."

But, but, but..... yeah, you are entirely correct.

Correction: They can't do anything I want/need to do that my current phone cannot. Listening to music, taking decent photos, browsing the web, social networking, watching YouTube videos, editing photos, all of these things can be done without any major slowdown. I'm not spending €700 just so I can take slightly better photographs (which are still rubbish compared to a €350 mirrorless) and have slightly less slowdown. Big whoop.

Advancements I'd pay that much for would mirrorless camera quality photographs (both indoor and outdoor), two day heavy use battery life, 128GB as standard internal memory plus 128GB expandable, wireless quick charging, dedicated high quality headphone amplifier and DAC, fully waterproof and dustproof.

Instead we're getting 6GB instead of 4GB of RAM. A slightly improved GPU and CPU that I won't see much use for, 4k instead of 1440p panel (completely pointless), no headphone jacks, still terrible audio, still 32GB unless you pay a massive premium. It's a joke.

 

[AlienALX]

I had an Oppo Find 7a and tbh? I downgraded. Why? because I could not find anything worthy to "upgrade" to. 8 cores? yeah, then you read the small print and find out its barely any faster than my Snapdragon, because some cores clock far lower. 1gb more ram? 3gb was enough, but thanks.

And so on. I had £300 burning a hole in my pocket for about 6 months, yet nothing offered anything at all at that price over what I already had, that I had paid £175 for 18 months prior.

So I bought my BB Porsche for £180, and it now acts as pretty much just a phone. That and the odd email or text message, if I am out of reach of my lappy or 4 PCs (hardly ever)./

And it's so much nicer not to be carrying around a 5.5" slab. It actually fits in my trouser pocket, without feeling like I'm gonna sit down and crack it in half all of the time.

 

[AlienALX]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1245...tors-starts-to-sell-ddr4-memory-chips-modules

It's happening.. Very slowly, but happening nonetheless.