Nvidia officially reveals their RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 graphics cards

my main problem is ram, i need lots of it.
so i can´t go for a RTX 4080 12GB even when the compute performance is way better than a RTX 3090.




i am in a bit different position as i use my GPUs maybe 10% for gaming (well actually only the GPU in my mainsystem) and the other 90% of the time for work.


tensor cores and RT, cuda can help me quite a bit for work stuff.
so it is not wasted for me.


but still... i can´t justify upgrading the 3090 in my workstation to a 4090.
 
I guess NVIDIA didn't understand people were paying such high proces for RTX 30 cards because they were making money out of them...
 
I don't think the 4080 12gb is going to be that much faster than the 3090. It's heavily cut back, has low memory bandwidth and etc.

Remember, they have done everything they can to show these cards in the best light possible. Actual raster performance is still very much unknown.

They just spent most of it waffling on about RT performance and RT stuff. Nothing exciting there at all tbh. I mean really, it's kinda reaching when you waffle on about Portal. A very old game, with some fancy lighting effects. It won't change the game one bit. I mean to me? that pretty much says it all. "here, have this really old game and spend £2k to play it".
 
Nvidia can go forth in short jerky motions.

After basically admitting to manipulating the market to keep the prices so high and so that the new cards can be even higher priced, I will stick with what I have now and hope that Bungie add's Keyboard and Mouse support for Destiny 2 to the Console version of the game.

AMD are going to be no better I suspect since they are finally competing with nVidia at the high end, I just wish they could sort out the driver issues since my current experience with my work laptop is so bad I have had to request, that IT swap my laptop for a Intel system and so have many others, because the AMD ones keep falling over due to the GPU Drivers.

I just wish Bungie would finally add K&M support to Destiny 2 on the Xbox and Playstation because then my PC would be sold and I would get a cheap laptop, to run discord on and that would be it since all the games I play are also on Console and only Destiny 2 doesn't support K&M on console.
 
After basically admitting to manipulating the market to keep the prices so high and so that the new cards can be even higher priced, I will stick with what I have now and hope that Bungie add's Keyboard and Mouse support for Destiny 2 to the Console version of the game.

Yeah I listened to that. Doesn't surprise me at all tbh.
 
I bought a PS4 Pro. Fu*k these prices.


Yep, Mates of mine still have their PC's but they aren't upgrading them, Yes you can get lower price parts but you start seeing pretty meh performance once you veer away from the mid tier stuff, They now mainly game on PS5 doing Final Fantasy Online.
 
A lot of my gamery friends over the last 3 years have quit PC gaming due to the ever increasing prices, And these are working men and women.

I'm no stranger to spending a lot on PC gaming but even I have slowed my pace a lot lately as it's gotten to a point that it's just not worth it and I dare say if these prices keep going up it's bye bye PC gaming hello console.

PC gaming should stay a viable option for many years. Happily we don't need flagship cards any more to run 1440p/144Hz. Midrange cards run games at that resolution absolutely fine as long as you're willing to reduce a couple of superfluous settings like RT. You're closing in on console gaming, absolutely, but PC gaming is still the preferred option by many for a whole host of reasons we know well about.
 
PC gaming should stay a viable option for many years. Happily we don't need flagship cards any more to run 1440p/144Hz. Midrange cards run games at that resolution absolutely fine as long as you're willing to reduce a couple of superfluous settings like RT. You're closing in on console gaming, absolutely, but PC gaming is still the preferred option by many for a whole host of reasons we know well about.

I agree that we don't need a flagship card to game but if the base model 4080 12GB is already near £1000, Which should actually be called a 4070, How much will the actual 4070 be considering the x70 line was always the midrange king ?

My guess it will be around £800 which now puts the midrange price point drastically higher than before.

4060 ? Likely around the £500-£600 price point, Near double over previous gen, What we used to pay for mid range will now be lower middle and I think this is quite a scummy move from Nvidia.
 
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I agree that we don't need a flagship card to game but if the base model 4080 12GB is already near £1000, Which should actually be called a 4070, How much will the actual 4070 be considering the x70 line was always the midrange king ?

My guess it will be around £800 which now puts the midrange price point drastically higher than before.

4060 ? Likely around the £500-£600 price point, Near double over previous gen, What we used to pay for mid range will now be lower middle and I think this is quite a scummy move from Nvidia.

That's quite possible, yeah, but we don't know it for sure. Those cards will probably be delayed for many, many months until 3000 series cards are sold off. Who knows what the market will be like by then. AMD should have Navi 33 out by that time, and if they come in at reasonable prices then Nvidia may have no choice but to offer a 4060 for £400 and a 4070 for £550. That is expensive, don't get me wrong, but it's only £30-100 higher than the 3000 series.

Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not holding my breath on this. I'm just trying to stay optimistic and not be overly doom and gloom. If a 4060 becomes £600 and is only as fast as a 3080 that can be found for £500 by then, obviously that's appalling value. But if a 4060 is £500 and is as fast as a 3080Ti at £700, that's an improvement. It's a tiny and sad improvement, but again, I'm trying to not lose my love for this hobby.
 
As far as PC gaming goes you have absolutely nothing to worry about at all. The only worry you had in the past two years was "If my GPU dies during this drought what can I afford to replace it with?"

PC gaming has not moved on as any one thought it would. Like, graphics have not shifted dramatically in a very long time. OK so there's RT, but that is an option. It's an extra. And IMO it doesn't change the graphics does it? it just adds shadows and lights that are more realistic. The problem is it's not a photo. It's a game. It moves, and so do you. And your brain is focussing on the action, ignoring your eyes. It is thinking one step ahead and so on.

Like when I compare PUBG's graphics to something like Stray that I just got? lol it's light years away. However, when I am in PUBG jiggling around trying to keep my head moving so it doesn't get shot off? I am not thinking "Oh wow look at those lovely lighting effects and shadows !". I am thinking "crap, if I become a statue I am dead".


So at the end of the day? a 1080Ti is still enough. And will be for the foreseeable.

We've created a monster. Mostly because we insist on having a new tech and new cards every two years. But deep down it is getting harder and harder for Nvidia and AMD to do that, and it is getting exponentially more expensive. Because new techs cost a lot, new wafers cost more than ever before and so on. So all of the benefits we would have gotten from a new node are now lost because of competition. IE, instead of them giving us smaller cheaper dies and cards they are making bigger and bigger cards in order to pee the highest. And they are passing that cost onto us.

Ada? 60%. The exact same as Ampere, and Turing, and Pascal, and Maxwell. Do you see? people complain about the price but it hasn't changed. What has changed? is the R&D, the cost of the wafers, the cost of the dies per die, the cost of the coolers and so on and so forth.

If a 4060 becomes £600? lol. Right this second I could go and get a brand new 6800XT for around that much. And that is a high end, high cost GPU. If I wanted to take a risk? I could go and get a 3090 FE for £750. A 3090FE that cost almost that to make.

So there is nothing to worry about at all. Nothing. No one needs a 40 series. If any one tells you they do? they have issues. Big issues. Some may say they need it for work but TBH? that's BS. It can't do anything a 3090 can do it will just do it faster. So that is better for your business? well that's a shame isn't it. Think yourself lucky you can do it at all.

People have been spoiled. And are spoiled. Like when Intel used to release a refresh we would all laugh and point fingers and say "TCHOH 14NM+++++++!!!!". Thing is? all the time they were on 14nm (+++++++++++++ :D ) the prices remained the same. And if you were buying new you did get more performance. If you were upgrading? well that's a shame isn't it Timmy? you will have to make do with the CPU you bought a year ago you poor little dear you.

I will be honest here. My 6800XT has gained me nothing but an extra GPU. I suppose a little peace of mind also, but yeah, it doesn't do anything my 2080Tis can't. I mean sure I get an extra 40 FPS in PUBG but I'm still crap at it, so there you go.

Personally I don't feel £720 every two years is too much tbh. It's about what? £30 a month. Less than the cost of my internet.

People are not thinking realistically, man. Realistically you can go on Ebay right now and get a banging GPU for less than £400. That's 3070 territory, and the 3070 is amazing for 1440p. OK so it isn't the top end, or even last gen top end. So what?

People spend far too much time talking about the games they play than actually playing them. I don't ever bother with the OCUK graphics card forum any more unless a new release is here (I just like laughing at every one fighting tbh...) and not playing them. Because let's face it, all of the time you are camped on a forum talking about GPUs and gaming you are not actually gaming.

Me? I play PUBG nearly every night. I don't have time to sit around and talk about buying GPUs etc. I do take some time out in the daytime when a new launch happens but yeah, you don't need these cards. At all.

There is a glut of 30 series cards on Ebay right now, and there will continue to be a glut for a long time to come. Maybe even enough to last until the recession we are now sitting in is over.

No one needs a 40 series card. No one. Two weeks ago they did not exist and life went on as normal.
 
You need a new card for 8k gaming lmao

Yep the sheer vast amount of cards on ebay mean you just take a punt and look for a decent seller. It'll be like that for ages yet.

Me I'd punt at a 3090/ti but i have more realistic things to concern myself with atm.

I can at least say my 6800xt does a lot more than my sli 970's done :D

It's nice to have a new card but you just don't need one every generation for me it's always been every 2 gens and now it's likely to be longer, the new prices are just nuts, you could buy an xbox ps5 and switch for that or get a nice OLED TV and any one of them, i think when people look at other things they can get for the same money it just doesnt make sense to fork out for a new card regardless of how much people like jensuns jacked wardrobe :D
 
As usual we're being bent over heavily here in Aus, upto $500 more over the exchange rate :eek: If AMD are smart and don't get greedy they actually stand a real chance of cornering the GPU market this time around, but somehow I think the $$$ are going to get to them too.
 
As far as PC gaming goes you have absolutely nothing to worry about at all. The only worry you had in the past two years was "If my GPU dies during this drought what can I afford to replace it with?"

PC gaming has not moved on as any one thought it would. Like, graphics have not shifted dramatically in a very long time. OK so there's RT, but that is an option. It's an extra. And IMO it doesn't change the graphics does it? it just adds shadows and lights that are more realistic. The problem is it's not a photo. It's a game. It moves, and so do you. And your brain is focussing on the action, ignoring your eyes. It is thinking one step ahead and so on.

Like when I compare PUBG's graphics to something like Stray that I just got? lol it's light years away. However, when I am in PUBG jiggling around trying to keep my head moving so it doesn't get shot off? I am not thinking "Oh wow look at those lovely lighting effects and shadows !". I am thinking "crap, if I become a statue I am dead".


So at the end of the day? a 1080Ti is still enough. And will be for the foreseeable.

We've created a monster. Mostly because we insist on having a new tech and new cards every two years. But deep down it is getting harder and harder for Nvidia and AMD to do that, and it is getting exponentially more expensive. Because new techs cost a lot, new wafers cost more than ever before and so on. So all of the benefits we would have gotten from a new node are now lost because of competition. IE, instead of them giving us smaller cheaper dies and cards they are making bigger and bigger cards in order to pee the highest. And they are passing that cost onto us.

Ada? 60%. The exact same as Ampere, and Turing, and Pascal, and Maxwell. Do you see? people complain about the price but it hasn't changed. What has changed? is the R&D, the cost of the wafers, the cost of the dies per die, the cost of the coolers and so on and so forth.

If a 4060 becomes £600? lol. Right this second I could go and get a brand new 6800XT for around that much. And that is a high end, high cost GPU. If I wanted to take a risk? I could go and get a 3090 FE for £750. A 3090FE that cost almost that to make.

So there is nothing to worry about at all. Nothing. No one needs a 40 series. If any one tells you they do? they have issues. Big issues. Some may say they need it for work but TBH? that's BS. It can't do anything a 3090 can do it will just do it faster. So that is better for your business? well that's a shame isn't it. Think yourself lucky you can do it at all.

People have been spoiled. And are spoiled. Like when Intel used to release a refresh we would all laugh and point fingers and say "TCHOH 14NM+++++++!!!!". Thing is? all the time they were on 14nm (+++++++++++++ :D ) the prices remained the same. And if you were buying new you did get more performance. If you were upgrading? well that's a shame isn't it Timmy? you will have to make do with the CPU you bought a year ago you poor little dear you.

I will be honest here. My 6800XT has gained me nothing but an extra GPU. I suppose a little peace of mind also, but yeah, it doesn't do anything my 2080Tis can't. I mean sure I get an extra 40 FPS in PUBG but I'm still crap at it, so there you go.

Personally I don't feel £720 every two years is too much tbh. It's about what? £30 a month. Less than the cost of my internet.

People are not thinking realistically, man. Realistically you can go on Ebay right now and get a banging GPU for less than £400. That's 3070 territory, and the 3070 is amazing for 1440p. OK so it isn't the top end, or even last gen top end. So what?

People spend far too much time talking about the games they play than actually playing them. I don't ever bother with the OCUK graphics card forum any more unless a new release is here (I just like laughing at every one fighting tbh...) and not playing them. Because let's face it, all of the time you are camped on a forum talking about GPUs and gaming you are not actually gaming.

Me? I play PUBG nearly every night. I don't have time to sit around and talk about buying GPUs etc. I do take some time out in the daytime when a new launch happens but yeah, you don't need these cards. At all.

There is a glut of 30 series cards on Ebay right now, and there will continue to be a glut for a long time to come. Maybe even enough to last until the recession we are now sitting in is over.

No one needs a 40 series card. No one. Two weeks ago they did not exist and life went on as normal.

Well said. TLDR; People want a new GPU and not needing one. Greed is the right word here.
 
Well said. TLDR; People want a new GPU and not needing one. Greed is the right word here.

ive said it for a long time. People put their wants before their needs, and very few have the willpower to resist. Luckily these prices are making it realistically difficult for even those with impulses and lack of sense. Gone are the days of me running the latest flagship. Its not financially feasible for even me and my salary anymore.

Im happy to be a generation or two behind now, considering there are no titles being released that scream "your card will never run this on full tilt". I even managed to get a 3090ti suprim X at over 50% of the full RRP thanks to the upcoming new launches.
 
ive said it for a long time. People put their wants before their needs, and very few have the willpower to resist. Luckily these prices are making it realistically difficult for even those with impulses and lack of sense. Gone are the days of me running the latest flagship. Its not financially feasible for even me and my salary anymore.

Im happy to be a generation or two behind now, considering there are no titles being released that scream "your card will never run this on full tilt". I even managed to get a 3090ti suprim X at over 50% of the full RRP thanks to the upcoming new launches.

Well in all honestly, I’m totally with you on everything. And I used to be one of those with both impulses and just buying because. But like you, it’s not feasible anymore and life in general has taken over more - one has matured and realised that computers isn’t that important anymore.

Regarding generations, that’s the right thinking in all honesty. I can’t recall how many Youtubers have said it, atleast JayzTwoCents, Hardware Unboxed, Hardware Canucks, Gamers Nexus and Paul I believe, that buying the last generation doesn’t make it ”bad” as many seem to be believe. It won’t suddenly be obselete just because new hardware has come out. Last generation still kicks ass and most likely will do at a much better price than the new generation.

So in your case, well done and I bet that sweet feeling of getting a good deal on it tastes a lot better than what the feeling of having a much bigger hole in your wallet of potentially buying from the new generation, feels like.
That is if you’d even be able to get hold off one.
 
ive said it for a long time. People put their wants before their needs, and very few have the willpower to resist. Luckily these prices are making it realistically difficult for even those with impulses and lack of sense. Gone are the days of me running the latest flagship. Its not financially feasible for even me and my salary anymore.

Im happy to be a generation or two behind now, considering there are no titles being released that scream "your card will never run this on full tilt". I even managed to get a 3090ti suprim X at over 50% of the full RRP thanks to the upcoming new launches.

I got a 3070ti for $250 during the shortage. Upgraded from a 1080. I felt it was rude to NOT upgrade lol :D

Other than that I would have waited because prices. I agree that it's a stupid idea to upgrade every generation. They are making it harder and harder to justify such products every year.
 
ive said it for a long time. People put their wants before their needs, and very few have the willpower to resist. Luckily these prices are making it realistically difficult for even those with impulses and lack of sense. Gone are the days of me running the latest flagship. Its not financially feasible for even me and my salary anymore.

Im happy to be a generation or two behind now, considering there are no titles being released that scream "your card will never run this on full tilt". I even managed to get a 3090ti suprim X at over 50% of the full RRP thanks to the upcoming new launches.

Indeed. TBH the 2000s were a decadent decade. The 2010s started off pretty much the same, but obviously we've had issues.

I was born in the 70s, where people had very little. The 80s were decadent, tech started to explode and mass manufacturing etc. So kids were spoiled rotten in that time. I would have been had my father not passed away when I was 7. He was doing very well, and we were going abroad every year etc.

I'm thankful I know how to deal with going without. I'm not getting all condescending saying that. I would hate to be born at a time where you were absolutely spoiled rotten (because it doesn't do any one any good) and then have to learn to go without. Especially because marketing is all now based on psychology and targeting people's emotions.

But yeah, these prices are forcing people to learn to go without. That said, they are also inflated beyond belief so they can shift the 30 stock.
 
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So basically you are a mug if you buy any of them. Let me explain why.

Well firstly you are a mug any way to pay those prices, but yeah.... Any way, this smacks of "Going first paranoia". In other words? they won't release the real ones until AMD have had their go.

So these cards are literally cash grabs until they have to release the real lineup, most probably under the Ti guise to beat AMD.

If you buy one of these cards? expect it to be superseded within about 3 months. As soon as AMD reveal they will change the CUDA count etc and release another gen.
 
I got a 3070ti for $250 during the shortage. Upgraded from a 1080. I felt it was rude to NOT upgrade lol :D

Other than that I would have waited because prices. I agree that it's a stupid idea to upgrade every generation. They are making it harder and harder to justify such products every year.

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For $1100 instead of $2700 which is what it was going for here on release.
 
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