Nvidia Maxwell

[SeekaX]

Maxwell won't be evolutionary and G-sync has a cheaper alternative.. AMDs FreeSync. Nvidia will release Maxwell then AMD will release whatever is next and then the cycle continues. Not much to be excited about tbh.

well it's gonna be evolutionary since it's a new gen :lol:
don't think the performance will whack us in the face either though since maxwell is about lower power consumption. so i suppose it will be maybe a 10% performance increase but at a way lower power consumption.

the freesync stuff isn't going to release for ages and apparently it's very problematic if not impossible with anything but laptop displays. nothing to be too excited about.

/edit
amd have that really bad habit of announcing things that sound too good to be true and then when they release it turns out the product isn't that amazing after all.
--> bulldozer
--> kaveri
--> titankiller 290x

i wish they'd keep it realistic or just be silent about it till release.

 

[Zoot]

The rumor points to Q4 as a release date, which presumably would be the next flagship. There's also a GTX 750Ti that popped up in eastern Europe on sale that's apparently Maxwell, but given its name it's not exactly going to be a flagship.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33718-nvidia-gtx-750-ti-maxwell-listed-in-europe

Just got to wait and see. They were supposedly going to do some funky things along the lines of putting an ARM cpu on the same PCB as the GPU which could be interesting.

2014 is going to be a boring year for new hardware it seems.

amd have that really bad habit of announcing things that sound too good to be true and then when they release it turns out the product isn't that amazing after all.
--> bulldozer
--> kaveri
--> titankiller 290x

i wish they'd keep it realistic or just be silent about it till release.

Bulldozer was definitely overhyped. To be fair though, the 290x was kept pretty well under wraps until after it was released, and it did best the reference Titan & 780 at a fraction of the cost. Although the whole ongoing black screen issue (which is affecting me too) is a bit of a disaster.

Kaveri, they even said they'd lose in straight up performance comparisons to Intel. Nobody ever really expected that to be an Intel killer.

 

[ahimoth]

The rumor points to Q4 as a release date, which presumably would be the next flagship. There's also a GTX 750Ti that popped up in eastern Europe on sale that's apparently Maxwell, but given its name it's not exactly going to be a flagship.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33718-nvidia-gtx-750-ti-maxwell-listed-in-europe

Just got to wait and see. They were supposedly going to do some funky things along the lines of putting an ARM cpu on the same PCB as the GPU which could be interesting.

2014 is going to be a boring year for new hardware it seems.


Bulldozer was definitely overhyped. To be fair though, the 290x was kept pretty well under wraps until after it was released, and it did best the reference Titan & 780 at a fraction of the cost. Although the whole ongoing black screen issue (which is affecting me too) is a bit of a disaster.

Kaveri, they even said they'd lose in straight up performance comparisons to Intel. Nobody ever really expected that to be an Intel killer.

+1. The 290 and 290x showed an old chip could match and best what were Nvidia's two flagship graphics cards (Pre 780TI) . The biggest issues was heat which was solved with aftermarket GPU's at about %10 less in terms of cost.

As for Maxwell I'm interested in seeing what they'll do with it and I'm wondering what kind of advances they'll make.

 

[SeekaX]

Bulldozer was definitely overhyped. To be fair though, the 290x was kept pretty well under wraps until after it was released, and it did best the reference Titan & 780 at a fraction of the cost. Although the whole ongoing black screen issue (which is affecting me too) is a bit of a disaster.

well it's more expensive than a 780 and with the entire titan killer talk i expected it to best the 780 by something considerable like the 780ti.

Kaveri, they even said they'd lose in straight up performance comparisons to Intel. Nobody ever really expected that to be an Intel killer.

nah that's not what i meant. i don't expect AMD to beat intel in the CPU market in the foreseeable future.
I am talking quite often to a guy who is seriously in love with APUs and he was talking about Kaveri for the past 2 months non stop. From what he told me i picked up that Kaveri was supposed to best the predecessor's performance by 30-40%. He was majorly disappointed when it turned out that the top end Kaveri APU would only be about 20% faster than the predecessor at a way higher price than expected.

 

[Meladath]

well it's more expensive than a 780 and with the entire titan killer talk i expected it to best the 780 by something considerable like the 780ti.

No its not? 290 is a fair bit lower than the price of a 780 even if you currently buy an aftermarket cooler version which has stupid markups right now since everyone was waiting for them, that alone beats a 780 just about they are very similar performance. £60 difference without the aftermarket cooler, £20 with one (lol markups....)

As for the 290X, that is not far behind the 780Ti at all performance wise and is much cheaper (At least £100). It beats the 780 by a decent amount considering it is only slightly more expensive, in comparison to the extra £100 you have to spend on the 780Ti for the slightly larger performance boost that gives you. Don't forget retail price of all AMD cards is currently up too due to retailers hyping the prices since the LTC mining rush.

"entire titan killer talk" That was nothing but fan hype and hope. Nothing from AMD mentioned anything like that. Not to mention the 290X actually is a titan killer anyway, 290 maybe not so much, but just because you were expecting a certain thing doesn't mean the product is bad if it didn't hit your expectations. It's all relative. But you can't possibly argue about the fact that the 290/X is incredibly good value for money in comparison to the 780Ti which is only a slither faster but much more expensive.

 

[barnsley]

The 290x was a supposed "titan killer", yes AMD did say that (Not that beating the Titan was proving to be exceptionally hard ,see the 780) and the 290x does "kill the titan", albeit by a few frames. They were super quiet about the 290, which is now probably one of their best selling 'cards and imo now the cooling has been sorted is a great card.
Everyone knows and accepts Bulldozer was overhyped, it was an excellent idea but badly implimented and a bit head of its time. Piledriver now is what Bulldozer should have been, as in steadily improving.When AMD first mentioned Kaveri it was all about reducing power consumption, its just the performance thing got out of hand when certain tech sites started talking about performance gains and AMD suddenly started talking about it as well.

I personally think Maxwell will be Nvidia trying to take AMD on at higher resolutions (and all of a sudden people will start saying that higher res performance matters), I honestly won't be surprised if they redo the 780, call it something else and add more Vram to it. I'm excited to see what comes out though, particularly in the are currently taken by the 770/280x.

 

[SeekaX]

No its not? 290 is a fair bit lower than the price of a 780 even if you currently buy an aftermarket cooler version which has stupid markups right now since everyone was waiting for them, that alone beats a 780 just about they are very similar performance. £60 difference without the aftermarket cooler, £20 with one (lol markups....)

290xXXXxXXXXXXXx that was the card i was talking about. XXXXXXXXXX. the 290 is not the flagship

As for the 290X, that is not far behind the 780Ti at all performance wise and is much cheaper (At least £100). It beats the 780 by a decent amount considering it is only slightly more expensive, in comparison to the extra £100 you have to spend on the 780Ti for the slightly larger performance boost that gives you. Don't forget retail price of all AMD cards is currently up too due to retailers hyping the prices since the LTC mining rush.

the 290x is only 100 quid cheaper without an aftermarket cooler and without an aftermarket cooler that card is hell. everytime i see people saying otherwise is when the 290x is overclocked and the 780ti is not.

Not to mention the 290X actually is a titan killer anyway, 290 maybe not so much, but just because you were expecting a certain thing doesn't mean the product is bad if it didn't hit your expectations.

just because it met your expectations doesn't mean it's a good product either, don't go down the "your opinion is invalid because not everybody shares it" road, once we get there the discussion goes south.

It's all relative. But you can't possibly argue about the fact that the 290/X is incredibly good value for money in comparison to the 780Ti which is only a slither faster but much more expensive.

if there is one thing everyone i discussed the 290x with agreed upon then that it is not good value for money. neither is the 780ti, everybody who buys that is aware of that fact.

you can't be serious about the 290x meeting up with expectations.

 

[barnsley]

As seeka said, in one of the many threads which talked about the 290/290x vs the 780/780ti, people all agreed that both the 290x and the 780ti aren't worth the extra money. The 290x almost makes sense if you get some to put under water, otherwise they're not worth the extra over the 290. The 780Ti is only worth it if you overclock it.

The 290x was a let down and the 290 is what the 290x should have been in terms of price/performance.

 

[SeekaX]

As seeka said, in one of the many threads which talked about the 290/290x vs the 780/780ti, people all agreed that both the 290x and the 780ti aren't worth the extra money. The 290x almost makes sense if you get some to put under water, otherwise they're not worth the extra over the 290. The 780Ti is only worth it if you overclock it.

The 290x was a let down and the 290 is what the 290x should have been in terms of price/performance.

exactly, it would've been the right move to release only the 290, because that's obviously a sweetspot for the chip. they could've still competed with the 780 very well and the 780ti might have never happened. all would've been fine.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I think the 290x is fine where its MSRP is at. Its only $100 more than the 290. Its just this litcoin phase that jacked up the prices making its price/performance ratio fall rather quickly compared to the 290.

I have noticed though the 290 prices on neweeg/amazon are starting to fall slowly though which is always nice! 290x on the otherhand not so much

 

[SeekaX]

I think the 290x is fine where its MSRP is at. Its only $100 more than the 290. Its just this litcoin phase that jacked up the prices making its price/performance ratio fall rather quickly compared to the 290.

I have noticed though the 290 prices on neweeg/amazon are starting to fall slowly though which is always nice! 290x on the otherhand not so much

the performance difference between the 290 and 290x isn't really worth 100$ though. same story as 290x vs 780ti.

 

[NeverBackDown]

the performance difference between the 290 and 290x isn't really worth 100$ though. same story as 290x vs 780ti.

I think newer drivers will give bigger increases between the 290x and 290. Just as it did with the 7970 and 7950.
At MSRP prices the 290x makes the 780ti pretty pointless. You could buy a waterblock and backplate and still spend less and in the end get more performance.

I do agree though as of right now the 290x and 780ti are both sort of irrelevant and if someone really wanted either i would say get the cheaper one.

 

[Dicehunter]

At MSRP prices the 290x makes the 780ti pretty pointless.

Doesn't really make it pointless if you use CUDA in your work which a lot of people do plus you have some nice tech in there such as Physx *Water, Smoke, Debris* which on certain games looks gorgeous i.e The Batman Arkham Series.
Here's a run of the built in benchmark, Please excuse the horrible frame rates, Max settings only at 1080P though, Recorded using fraps and I ran it before I got my 1440P monitor -

 

[NeverBackDown]

OpenCL is also used quite a bit like Cuda. It depends on Software.
Even then a 780 is a wiser choice than a 780ti for Cuda purposes. Could spend only like $150 more and get a 780 in SLI.

Again the 290x/780ti are pointless at their current price points.

 

[barnsley]

PhysX isn't used in enough games to make it a major selling point. CUDA is more relevant however.

 

[Dicehunter]

Could spend only like $150 more and get a 780 in SLI.

True but a single more powerful GPU is better than 2 lesser cards

 

[Zoot]

nah that's not what i meant. i don't expect AMD to beat intel in the CPU market in the foreseeable future.
I am talking quite often to a guy who is seriously in love with APUs and he was talking about Kaveri for the past 2 months non stop. From what he told me i picked up that Kaveri was supposed to best the predecessor's performance by 30-40%. He was majorly disappointed when it turned out that the top end Kaveri APU would only be about 20% faster than the predecessor at a way higher price than expected.

Some people were saying the Steamroller cores were going to be like 50-70% faster than the Piledriver ones, although that turned out to be AMD fans losing the run of themselves. The top end Kaveri isn't really any faster on the CPU side, although the graphics side is a nice bit of a bump, not massive but still a nice upgrade.

The star of the show are the 45W versions though. I really like the look of the A8-7600, given it'll be very easy to cool in my HTPC. It'll probably be the next APU I buy since I have a Kaveri-ready mini-ITX board in that already.

"entire titan killer talk" That was nothing but fan hype and hope. Nothing from AMD mentioned anything like that.

Yeah I think the only thing they did actually do was demo the 780 vs the 290X in a few games at some event before the 290X launch. That was it, they never even compared it to the Titan as far as I'm aware. There was actually very little information released for ages, we were going on nothing but rumors for ages.

 

[SeekaX]

Some people were saying the Steamroller cores were going to be like 50-70% faster than the Piledriver ones, although that turned out to be AMD fans losing the run of themselves.

it's sad when people take fandom so far it gets close to insanity.

The star of the show are the 45W versions though. I really like the look of the A8-7600, given it'll be very easy to cool in my HTPC. It'll probably be the next APU I buy since I have a Kaveri-ready mini-ITX board in that already.

i think kaveri is very interesting for file server builds, media PCs etc, there really is no competition for the kaveri APUs.
it would be nice if there was no information and no leaks about upcoming releases from any company, because usually those just push expectation through the roof and then there is a whole lot of disappointment when the actual release doesn't meet with expectations.

 

[Dicehunter]

it would be nice if there was no information and no leaks about upcoming releases from any company, because usually those just push expectation through the roof and then there is a whole lot of disappointment when the actual release doesn't meet with expectations.

That would be awesome but sadly it will never happen, See it "Leaks" by way of a random employee telling someone about it, Then it spreads and eventually huge amounts of people start talking about it on forums just like this one and various other places which then generates more interest in their product which in turn helps sales.

Companies could easily stop "Leaks" but that would hurt their sales figures.

 

[KingNosser]

Maxwell my thoughts

We would all like more info, but they are not going to let out much just not how things are done until the cards are out a few weeks later.

I think Maxwell wont be here until late summer, I also think the larger issue is will they be fully spec'd out or are Nvidia going to nerf them due to power will we get what we want or just a nerf'd bump.

Right now Nvidia has an edge over AMD and in my view will not release some crazy epic card series if they feel AMD doesn't have the goods coming.

AMD screams and shouts look we have the best card on release, then not much later Nvidia says 780 ti point being Nvidia is holding back and has been for a time now in my view.

Where I feel AMD needs to focus heavily on now is the cloud streaming, because that's where it's all heading it'll not be many years before we wont need gaming cards and yet again Nvidia has the edge with GRID.