Nvidia marketing. AMD marketing ?

[JezEngland]

Hi,

I'm a little troubled at the 570 vs 480 results. I read the 570 GF110 is like a GF100 with GF106 together. Most 480's are deerer to the 570 today though SCAN has the cheapest on pre-order at £208 for a 480.

480 has some better than 570 scores on the link provided

Maby a GF100 using 512 Cores will top alot of benchmarks today and would it have over 1.5GB memory? The 580 GF110 is smooth and faster round CRYSIS benchmark.

Link: http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-review/16

480 has more memory than 570. Metro 2033 at max settings + NVIDIA Control Pannel 3D setting on 2 way SLI 480 nearly uses 1.5GB on each card with 1920x1080p and with proper excellent playable settings, lower settings is usualy under 1GB each

NVIDIA should have put a vapour cooler on the 480.

Reasons I've seen for 480 not using the whole chip 512 cores is manufacturing problems, though no confirmation. Do you know?

Here's the stats: http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-review/2

On Crysis benchmark the 580 uses more electricity than the 480

GPU thermal threshold GTX480/470: 105 degrees C vs GTX570/580: 97 degrees C

A forum user wrote in my other thread that probably Nvidia used money made from the 400's to fix the issues and release the 500's. I think Nvidia didn't make a massive profit with the 480's, 470's as initial benchmarks, reviews didn't favour the heat and noise. They sold alot of 460's

. The development costs of Fermi architecture must be massive and the 500 have a lower thermal threshold so I see only it's made with a lower grade manufacturing, maby to greed more money to pay the Fermi development costs.

I've OC'd the 480's 160mhz at 80% fan speed at with safe temps leaving room for more OC'ing and higher temps

And I've been troubled about the NVIDIA fan settings I've fixed in the Graphics Card Forum: http://forum.overclock3d.net/index....-cooler/page__pid__396640__st__40#entry396640

Is there software to take voltage higher than Afterburner or BIOS lets it be. How do the professional LN2 overclockers get like 1100mhz core clock because it needs more voltage i think

marketing steers alot of manufacturers and I think they've got too much money and should sort us with generouse hardware

First reviews gave 480 a bad look and it's the first Fermi chip with first Fermi drivers, stuff didn't run properly and with new drivers it's alot better. I'm chuff'd with my 480's

580 is great in benchmarks though benchmarkers like overclocking and a thermal limit of 97 degrees C is a lower limit than the 470/480. Liquid Nitrogen time, i dunno

What do you think?

Edit: I've re-done the links they work now

Thanks

 

[marsey99]

heat and power draw was the killer for the 480 imo, they was always going to get better with new drivers.

im sure i read that the 480 didnt get the 512 cores because they couldnt power it without dropping the clcoks to the point where less faster cores was better so they went with that. then with the 500s they used the tweaks they learnt for the 460 and they was much better giving a slight improvement clock for clock and using less power at the same time, the drop in heat was aslo aided by the better cooler too.

to look at it another way i see the 480 much like vista, it had bad pr at launch but those who used it loved it and see little improvements from its replacement.

 

[JezEngland]

OK thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2FMsIP3rQ

Thats 50 watts average between them

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txow-I55QXw

in metro the 480 is clear winner for speed, memory issue maby? when it's faster the performance per watt is alot better. 570 needs 1.5MB memory like the 480 and 580

make it HD to see the FRAPS result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pZB4FMp-2w

consider the 570 has higher core and memory frequency. probably be limited by memory size

here they're close-ish they eat this benchmark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwMb3fHNDQ

the 580 has more cores, higher frequency's and uses more power.

I wonder if the 480 has more overclocking % ability with its higher thermal limit.

Is the manufacturing quality lower on the 500's because of thermal limits? that's all i think it can be