WYP
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Are GDDR5X GTX 1060 GPUs on the way?
Read more about Nvidia listing their 6GB GTX 1060 with GDDR5X memory support.
Read more about Nvidia listing their 6GB GTX 1060 with GDDR5X memory support.
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Nvidia lists GDDR5X GTX 1060 on their UK/US websites
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Well this would just confirm that Pascal ain't leaving soon
The GTX1060 was never bandwidth starved, and models with boosts in memory bandwidth rarely offered much, if any, additional performance. Hence why the GTX1070 and 1070Ti both forego GDDR5X memory.
This is a way to shift excess stock. Use the freshly killed off memory(RTX models have already "replaced" all the GDDR5X 1000 models) and the dies from the most popular 1000 series card and shift all the soon-to-be-dead stock with some clever marketing, crowning this card the "fastest" GTX card in production, even if it'll likely be a few percent difference.
FWIW, Polaris only had to go through a generation rebranding because of the mining craze. The GTX1060 is actually older than all of Polaris's cards. Nowadays in the UK you can often find second hand Polaris cards a lot cheaper than Pascal cards, while performing slightly better in most modern games, and having much better frame times in particular across the board. For a well-read budget gamer, I'm not sure there's really still a value proposition for the GTX1060. I think these cards will almost certainly come with a price bump intended to put it closer to the massive no-mans land of pricing targets they've created with the RTX launch.
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Your posts are always on point.
But the GTX 1060 is nowhere near the class of current Turing. If you're genuinely in the class of Turing, a brand-new and highly advanced architecture, you're not going to say, 'Ahhhh well, I can't quite afford £600 for an RTX 2070 so I'm going to buy a £300 GTX 1060 (Ti) instead that's only slightly faster than the cheaper RX 580 or original GTX 1060.' You don't fall off the Turing hype to buy a two year-old midrange GPU. You buy a used GTX 1080 or a discounted 1070Ti.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Nope but then neither will 99% of gamers be, either.
2080Ti etc are all very exciting but no company can make it on stuff like that alone. They need their bread and butter cards, hence the leftovers of the 1060 cores with faster memory to make them more enticing, and or more expensive.
Think about how many kids play Fortnite etc. What do they play on? 1060s or worse.
See what I mean, jellybean?
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Nope but then neither will 99% of gamers either.
2080Ti etc are all very exciting but no company can make it on stuff like that alone. They need their bread and butter cards, hence the leftovers of the 1060 cores with faster memory to make them more enticing, and or more expensive.
Think about how many kids play Fortnite etc. What do they play on? 1060s or worse.
See what I mean, jellybean?
I don't really see what you mean. You said that people will need the GTX 1060 with GDDR5X because they haven't fallen for RTX. Not only is RTX only going to be available for the 2070 class and above, which is not the same class as the 1060, but the 1060 is totally outmatched by every Turing card currently available in almost every way. So it's like saying, 'I'm not buying into this £200k Tesla self-driving stuff so I'm going to buy a Citroen C2 instead.' They're in completely different classes. One driver wouldn't be considering the other.
AlienALX
Well-known member
That the case may be, but the facts tell a different story. I don't disagree with you on what you say (about how advanced Turing is etc) but back here in reality land people are buying 1060s, regardless.
And it's easy to see why - price. LOL if I had gone to my mother 30 years ago and asked for £1500 for a GPU she'd have laughed in my face. I was lucky enough to get a SNES on tick from the catalogue she ran (so she got a hefty discount and could pay it monthly).
Enthusiasts sometimes find it hard to see the wood for the trees (I include myself in that, recently having spent around £500 on lighting and cooling) but the fact is that most people are rocking a locked I3 or the equivalent now (add AMD to that) with a 1050 or slightly better. That is a modern PC gamer, and they are all playing Fortnite and PUBG.
I am currently helping my mate's kid plan a PC, and he has gone for the Ryzen 1200? and a 1060 tops. And it's taking him months just to save for that...
Seriously, look how many Nvidia cards there are in that list with "60" in them. That is because in reality that is what people are actually buying.
You want the top end? sure, it's there - with a price. That means a very small number of actual owners *and* owners who are daft enough to pay Ray Tracing tax (but here's the kicker !) without any actual Ray Tracing pmsl.
And due to those circumstances that number of people (and thus overall PC gamers) is very, very low. And you will have issues with coders catering for you and ETC all of the things I've been whining about over the past year since something snapped and I just couldn't be arsed to care any more.
I've realised that what I had was already more than I could ever need (I mean 14 cores? really?) and that I should just spend my money on tat making it look tacky.
Beats wasting cash on non existent RT, that is for sure.
And it's easy to see why - price. LOL if I had gone to my mother 30 years ago and asked for £1500 for a GPU she'd have laughed in my face. I was lucky enough to get a SNES on tick from the catalogue she ran (so she got a hefty discount and could pay it monthly).
Enthusiasts sometimes find it hard to see the wood for the trees (I include myself in that, recently having spent around £500 on lighting and cooling) but the fact is that most people are rocking a locked I3 or the equivalent now (add AMD to that) with a 1050 or slightly better. That is a modern PC gamer, and they are all playing Fortnite and PUBG.
I am currently helping my mate's kid plan a PC, and he has gone for the Ryzen 1200? and a 1060 tops. And it's taking him months just to save for that...
Seriously, look how many Nvidia cards there are in that list with "60" in them. That is because in reality that is what people are actually buying.
You want the top end? sure, it's there - with a price. That means a very small number of actual owners *and* owners who are daft enough to pay Ray Tracing tax (but here's the kicker !) without any actual Ray Tracing pmsl.
And due to those circumstances that number of people (and thus overall PC gamers) is very, very low. And you will have issues with coders catering for you and ETC all of the things I've been whining about over the past year since something snapped and I just couldn't be arsed to care any more.
I've realised that what I had was already more than I could ever need (I mean 14 cores? really?) and that I should just spend my money on tat making it look tacky.
Beats wasting cash on non existent RT, that is for sure.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
But that wasn't what I was disagreeing with. It's true that the largest market of gamers are rocking 1060-class GPUs with i5's and the ilk, playing Fornite and CSGO. But these people aren't rocking 1060-class GPUs and i5's after seeing the price and features of Turing and saying,' Well, dang it, I'm £500 short'. That just sounds like a random attack against Turing when your point has no bearing on Turing. Turing and 16 year-old Fortnite players should not be put in the same sentence. Why attack Turing when it is in a completely different class and is not marketed towards 'Fortnite teens'? We don't give TR2 a hard time for those reasons.
I think you are mistaking 1060 for 1080ti Alien. Otherwise I can't see what point you are trying to make. The 1060 is so far off a 2070/2080/2080ti, even trying to relate them together is a bit confusing.
any 10xx card released now, is simply to shift surplus. Exactly as tgrech states.
If I don't buy into the RTX craze.. why the hell would I want to drop down to a 1060? Id go 1080 or higher. The logic just isnt there.
any 10xx card released now, is simply to shift surplus. Exactly as tgrech states.
If I don't buy into the RTX craze.. why the hell would I want to drop down to a 1060? Id go 1080 or higher. The logic just isnt there.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Correct me if I am wrong but this thread title is GDDR5X GTX 1060. The point I was making (because people said it was pointless etc) is that it is not pointless at all, because so many people actually buy and use 1060s.
Going to RT? tbh? you may find that AMD cards shine at it. They have a lot of features built in for heavy duty stuff tbh. This is why the Vega 64 easily beats the 1080 in anything synthetic, yet IRL it is not as fast at gaming.
AlienALX
Well-known member
They could still make them as obviously it uses far less silicon than tensor cores.
Also (and no one has said) they may not make a 2060 as by the time you get down that far RT wouldn't be feasible any way. A few people have pointed out that even the 2070 may be useless for RT.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I thought the rumour was going to be GTX 2060? No RT or Tensor cores for DLSS, but everything else that Turing brings such as the new compute cores and any rasterizing improvements.
Yep, since it looks like AMD is moving Polaris to 12nm (Same node as Turing) for its final run-around ahead of 7nm becoming economically feasible in mid 2019, it'd probably make sense for NVidia to do the same with Turing CUDA cores. Given they seem to be able to cut core count and clocks on the Turing cards by 10-15% each against similarly performing Pascal variants they could probably reach GTX1070 performance with around 1500 cores now to fill the giant gap in the market, no doubt with a couple of cut down variants reaching down to 1060-6GB performance levels at 1060-3GB core counts. Technically Tensor cores are still possible as these are far less computationally expensive and more mature than the RT cores, but that would mean further subdivision in their cards feature sets and further die cost.
