Nvidia is Supporting VESA Adaptive Sync - Except When They Don't

[WYP]

Nvidia is supporting VESA Adaptive Sync, but only on certified displays.



Read more about Nvidia's plans to support VESA Adaptive Sync on their terms.

 

[Dawelio]

Right, so could someone please explain to me what is different from this to their already existing G-Sync? As it sounds exactly the same to me? :huh:...

 

[WYP]

Right, so could someone please explain to me what is different from this to their already existing G-Sync? As it sounds exactly the same to me? :huh:...

Doesn't use Nvidia's G-Sync module. So Nvidia are basically certifying Adaptive Sync displays that are good enough to meet Nvidia's G-Sync standards while offering an on switch in the driver that should allow the others to work.

Nvidia is supporting VESA Adaptive Sync (open source FreeSync standard) in a way that says that G-Sync is better.

 

[Dawelio]

Doesn't use Nvidia's G-Sync module. So Nvidia are basically certifying Adaptive Sync displays that are good enough to meet Nvidia's G-Sync standards while offering an on switch in the driver that should allow the others to work.

Nvidia is supporting VESA Adaptive Sync (open source FreeSync standard) in a way that says that G-Sync is better.

Right, so does this mean that future displays won’t have the G-Sync module and therefore be cheaper? Ie, not having the Nvidia/G-Sync module tax?...

 

[Warchild]

Right, so does this mean that future displays won’t have the G-Sync module and therefore be cheaper? Ie, not having the Nvidia/G-Sync module tax?...

The certified monitors will be called ' GSYNC Compatible'.

Not sure they could put their Nvidia Tax on this. Since it looks to me like there would be no module installed.

 

[WYP]

Right, so does this mean that future displays won’t have the G-Sync module and therefore be cheaper? Ie, not having the Nvidia/G-Sync module tax?...

Yes, so soon there will be G-Sync certified displays that don't have a G-Sync module, and therefore none of the cost associated with that.

The monitors will need to support Nvidia's standards, so they will all be high-end, but they should be cheaper than displays with Nvidia's G-Sync module. It will go the way of the dodo sooner or later.

 

[lordkantman]

Right, so does this mean that future displays won’t have the G-Sync module and therefore be cheaper? Ie, not having the Nvidia/G-Sync module tax?...

I doubt that. They will probably just support some of better a-sync displays, while still using modules on "real" g-sync ones.

 

[Dawelio]

Yes, so soon there will be G-Sync certified displays that don't have a G-Sync module, and therefore none of the cost associated with that.

The monitors will need to support Nvidia's standards, so they will all be high-end, but they should be cheaper than displays with Nvidia's G-Sync module. It will go the way of the dodo sooner or later.

Well this sounds like a good thing and even better for us consumers, as the monitors will be cheaper, but still be high-end.

 

[grec]

G-Sync HDR doesn't seem to be going anywhere(It's barely actually got anywhere first mind), I doubt NVidia will be support FreeSync2 HDR anytime soon though I guess theoretically it could be possible for someone to find a work around and shoehorn it in.

 

[demonking]

Not sure they could put their Nvidia Tax on this. Since it looks to me like there would be no module installed.

you mean like SLI? I had an MSI board with SLI actually printed on the board but the "tax" was not paid so MSI did not officially support it and could not advertise it. I can't remember the exact model but it was in the Z77 era.

This will turn into a model that could happily support it, well exceeding the requirements and Nvidia's tests but if you don't pay for their certification, well you only get adaptive sync certification.

 

[Giggyolly]

If you look at the displays that they have "certified" for G-sync, you can see they have chosen models which won't compete with the existing actual G-sync displays.
None of those are 1440p 144hz IPS lol.
Classic Nvidia

 

[AlienALX]

Echoes of the past...

About ten years ago they said they were going to support Passive 3D screens (that did not require their glasses). They supported..... Two.

Two passive screens, out of the hundreds available. Thankfully it was possible to hack the monitor drivers to make your monitor appear to the 3Dvision control panel as one of those supported, but still two screens... Jokes.

Giggy - yes. I bought the Freesync version of Alienware's 240hz panel before Xmas. There's also a G-sync version costing £140 more. I noticed it is duly missing from that list they showed, even though if they cared about anything but sales it would have been one of the first to work (given it's 240hz).

They're only doing this to take sales from AMD. IE "Well if there's a Gsync version we will sell that to the customer, if not? then we will support their monitor so they don't buy AMD GPUs".

 

[grec]

It is awfully convenient that NVidia has only managed to find 12 monitors they have to fully validate and none of them compete with the monitors NVidia still profits from, but it's important to remember you can still use (Or attempt to use) any AdaptiveSync/FreeSync display with this update, it could end up just being a matter of whether or not there's a GSync sticker on the monitors box.

 

[AlienALX]

It is awfully convenient that NVidia has only managed to find 12 monitors they have to fully validate and none of them compete with the monitors NVidia still profits from, but it's important to remember you can still use (Or attempt to use) any AdaptiveSync/FreeSync display with this update, it could end up just being a matter of whether or not there's a GSync sticker on the monitors box.

Well hopefully there may be a hack or two on the horizon. I've got a 70hz Freesync screen at home and I wouldn't mind using Gsync on that (running an XP).

 

[Warchild]

Well hopefully there may be a hack or two on the horizon. I've got a 70hz Freesync screen at home and I wouldn't mind using Gsync on that (running an XP).

Its already been hacked on some of their Gsync monitors to use freesync, but I believe the hack itself was complicated and not worth the investment. It was just to prove it could be done.

 

[AlienALX]

Its already been hacked on some of their Gsync monitors to use freesync, but I believe the hack itself was complicated and not worth the investment. It was just to prove it could be done.

Aye. Hopefully some one will create a profile that can be loaded onto any monitor to make it appear to the Nvid drivers as one of the supported displays

 

[looz]

you mean like SLI? I had an MSI board with SLI actually printed on the board but the "tax" was not paid so MSI did not officially support it and could not advertise it. I can't remember the exact model but it was in the Z77 era.

This will turn into a model that could happily support it, well exceeding the requirements and Nvidia's tests but if you don't pay for their certification, well you only get adaptive sync certification.

There was a similar situation with MSI X58 Platinum and Platinum SLI, you could just flash the SLI bios on top of the former.


But in regards to Nvidia "approved" adaptive sync displays, they're probably demanding a similar range of features as G-Sync module supports, which means a wide range of refresh rates and strobing. But I'm pretty sure they just implemented the AdaptiveSync standard in full behind that VRR force switch.

 

[Dicehunter]

Nvidia stated in a Pcworld video that you can use an Nvidia GPU with any VRR panel it's just 12 that they have personally certified for optimal operation @6:55

 

[Yttersta]

I think there are two main points here.


Firstly it is that to Nvidia standards, apparently there were actually only 12 really really good Freesync displays on the market. This could obviously also be attributed to Acer, Asus, Benq, and AOC having far better partnerships with Nvidia than the likes of Samsung or Dell, which I think should be expected. However, I don't think that is the case and it is more a combination of Nvidia having very high standards when it comes to adaptive refresh rate monitors (I mean, they use high end FPGA's to achieve theirs being so good) and a notion that the likes of Samsung just wanted to utilize adaptive refresh rate on their monitors as a marketing feature than an actually proper implementation.


The next thing to point out is the fact that many, including myself, can finally jump on a adaptive refresh rate monitor when it is time to get a new monitor and we will not have to buy my graphics cards according to our displays anymore! I'm so glad I waited this far, it will only get better from now on with universal support and with the fact that companies that wanted to utilize adaptive refresh just for marketing now have to do proper implementations for it to actually matter.

 

[Warchild]

I think there are two main points here.


Firstly it is that to Nvidia standards, apparently there were actually only 12 really really good Freesync displays on the market. This could obviously also be attributed to Acer, Asus, Benq, and AOC having far better partnerships with Nvidia than the likes of Samsung or Dell, which I think should be expected. However, I don't think that is the case and it is more a combination of Nvidia having very high standards when it comes to adaptive refresh rate monitors (I mean, they use high end FPGA's to achieve theirs being so good) and a notion that the likes of Samsung just wanted to utilize adaptive refresh rate on their monitors as a marketing feature than an actually proper implementation.


The next thing to point out is the fact that many, including myself, can finally jump on a adaptive refresh rate monitor when it is time to get a new monitor and we will not have to buy my graphics cards according to our displays anymore! I'm so glad I waited this far, it will only get better from now on with universal support and with the fact that companies that wanted to utilize adaptive refresh just for marketing now have to do proper implementations for it to actually matter.

I would say it was so that the official supported ones do not overly compete with Nvidias own Gsync offerings. Either that or only a small handful operate VRR similar to Gsync where it locks the framerate to the max possible achieved by the monitor, where as Freesync allows you to go above and beyond that in terms of what it allows the GPU to produce.

But as Dice mentioned, it seems that any monitor will be acceptable, but just a few will be supported via documentation.