Nvidia is reported to release a Pascal-based Titan GPU in August

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Nvidia is reported to release a Pascal-based Titan GPU in August at Gamescom 2016, offering around 50% more performance than the GTX 1080 Founders Edition.



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Some of the information in this article is based on a post from Nhirlathothep. Thanks for the help.

 

[AlienALX]

August 2017.

 

[Dawelio]

August 2017.

August next year? :huh:...

 

[Dicehunter]

So we'll most likely get 1080 Ti's around November then which seems about right as it's a good 6 months after the 1080's launch.

 

[Doomslayer]

So we'll most likely get 1080 Ti's around November then which seems about right as it's a good 6 months after the 1080's launch.

Yeah late November or early December is my guess

 

[DarthDudo]

Now lets watch as it launches with a £1200+ price tag with the 1080 Ti's coming in at the old Titan X price of £900+

 

[Doomslayer]

Now lets watch as it launches with a £1200+ price tag with the 1080 Ti's coming in at the old Titan X price of £900+

Doesn't seem to matter what price it is people will still buy it.

 

[DarthDudo]

Doesn't seem to matter what price it is people will still buy it.

It's no wonder Nvidia predicted large growth in their last earnings report

 

[Warchild]

Doesn't seem to matter what price it is people will still buy it.

This is sad but true. Also with the crashing currency, you might even get fleeced worse than most of us if living in the UK.

 

[AlienALX]

So we'll most likely get 1080 Ti's around November then which seems about right as it's a good 6 months after the 1080's launch.

Nope those are 2017 too. Welcome to a world where there's no competition.

1080 and 1070 are gold mines for Nvidia. They're small, cheap and once they refine the manufacturing of them they'll get tons of cores per wafer.

The only reason you would have to cut open that golden goose is if you were forced to, and they won't be. AMD have made it pretty clear where they stand leaving the performance stage all to Nvidia.

Nvidia will just wait until sales start to dry up, then think about their next move. I pretty much guarantee they won't launch a 1080ti or Titan P until they have made absolutely sure that every Titan X owner has switched to a 1080.

 

[Doomslayer]

This is sad but true. Also with the crashing currency, you might even get fleeced worse than most of us if living in the UK.

I'm expecting it not to be cheap when it hits here but i still think they will sell just doesn't seem to matter what price these parts are now they still sell.

TBH our currency here is crashing too it's down to about 70 cents to 1 american dollar.

 

[Dicehunter]

Now lets watch as it launches with a £1200+ price tag with the 1080 Ti's coming in at the old Titan X price of £900+

If it does come in at £900 then I'll go for AMD's top end Vega chip when that releases.

Nope those are 2017 too. Welcome to a world where there's no competition.

1080 and 1070 are gold mines for Nvidia. They're small, cheap and once they refine the manufacturing of them they'll get tons of cores per wafer.

The only reason you would have to cut open that golden goose is if you were forced to, and they won't be. AMD have made it pretty clear where they stand leaving the performance stage all to Nvidia.

Nvidia will just wait until sales start to dry up, then think about their next move. I pretty much guarantee they won't launch a 1080ti or Titan P until they have made absolutely sure that every Titan X owner has switched to a 1080.

Is that ETA of yours from looking at the market or just a guesstimate ?

Genuinely interested not taking the piddle

 

[AngryGoldfish]

This is sad but true. Also with the crashing currency, you might even get fleeced worse than most of us if living in the UK.

Yeah, it's going to be tougher for UK folks. It was tough for us Europeans, but it always remained somewhat stable for peeps in the UK. Now that might not be so.

If nVidia releases a Titan GPU this year, it'll be a paper launch only. It will be to wet the appetites of their huge following. Folks will avoid AMD just because nVidia has promised a better GPU—you will just have to wait and pay for it.

I seriously doubt AMD will be able to match 50% more power than a 1080, though I doubt that rumour is true. That's Fury X Crossfire levels. I doubt AMD can double their performance from just 1.5 years.

 

[Doomslayer]

Nope those are 2017 too. Welcome to a world where there's no competition.

1080 and 1070 are gold mines for Nvidia. They're small, cheap and once they refine the manufacturing of them they'll get tons of cores per wafer.

The only reason you would have to cut open that golden goose is if you were forced to, and they won't be. AMD have made it pretty clear where they stand leaving the performance stage all to Nvidia.

Nvidia will just wait until sales start to dry up, then think about their next move. I pretty much guarantee they won't launch a 1080ti or Titan P until they have made absolutely sure that every Titan X owner has switched to a 1080.

Well IMO that is AMD own damn fault then they just keep shooting themselves in the foot, It's just like AMD has just given up then.

No wonder why Nvidia has the market share they do then.

 

[AlienALX]

Well IMO that is AMD own damn fault then they just keep shooting themselves in the foot, It's just like AMD has just given up then.

No wonder why Nvidia has the market share they do then.

AMD are not shooting themselves anywhere, they just need to take back a huge % of the market to gain investors. The more % you cover the more money you get.

The RX 480 may not be exciting to many, but it will give AMD a leg up in the market. Their aim right now is a land grab. They will do it with the RX 480 and they will then do the CPU market with Zen.

They don't need to be in the driver seat right now.

Dom - I know you're not taking the pee. Over the past few years I have known a guy who lives out in Taiwan and works for one of the biggest PC part manufacturers known right now. Obs not going to go into detail but whenever he reports something he's usually right.

It's not rocket science. Why would Nvidia want to sell you for example a 1080ti with a larger die (up to twice the size of the one you're using now on your 1080) for not a lot more cash? why not wait patiently until you crack all of your enthusiasts into buying a 1080, then when you are absolutely sure you've milked the tits off of this small die then move onto the bigger ones?

Cards like the 1080 are bread and butter. They're cheap to make, success rates go up because you are raising the odds of success and you can get plenty out of a wafer. The larger the die becomes the more prone you are to hitting an imperfect part of the surface for example and the more prone you will be to failure.

The bigger the die the higher the chances of failure. Also less cores per wafer = much higher costs.

Right now the 1080 core is a real sod. Yields are low because of the clock speeds Nvidia want it to run at, hence hardly any stock whatsoever from AIBs. Just the odd few cards here and there. That's because Nvidia are putting themselves and their FE cards first.

Look how long the 1080 has been out for now and still stock is dripping through like nothing. By now with the 980 pretty much every after market card was announced, made and available for sale.

If I am right about the 1060 (vaporware, months before you can actually get them in any half decent volume) then maybe you'll grow to trust my info a bit more

But yeah, this guy is hardly ever wrong and literally visits the factories where GPUs are made as part of his job. So he's rarely wrong, and when he guesses it's a seriously educated one

BTW. Here is some more food for thought.

Before a AIB are allowed to make their own cards they need to sign an agreement to say that they will buy X amount of 1080 FE as part of the deal.

Don't forget things like that. The same goes for AMD. Before AIB could even make their own cards they had to accept a deal on AMD's cards.

 

[Doomslayer]

The only way for AMD is to take that market share back off from Nvidia is to come out with a card that soundly beats Nvidia which atm i can't see that happening Nvidia just has way too much market share.

nothing is going to change people will still buy Nvidia cause a lot of people like Nvidia over AMD.

 

[AlienALX]

The only way for AMD is to take that market share back off from Nvidia is to come out with a card that soundly beats Nvidia which atm i can't see that happening Nvidia just has way too much market share.

nothing is going to change people will still buy Nvidia cause a lot of people like Nvidia over AMD.

It absolutely does not work like that at all.

Whilst it may be enticing and exciting to make a GPU that's the fastest it is not going to be the one that sells en masse dude.

Why do you think in the past Nvidia have always launched the slower cards first? like the 750ti and the 960? that's because they are the bread and butter. That is what brings in the revenue, that is what makes the user % go up. The last time I checked the Steam survey THE most popular card was the GTX 970. Not the Titan X, not the 980ti and not even the 980.

Realistically Nvidia made their money from Maxwell on the 970. Again, the 980 was nice but from a value perspective like the 1080 it made absolutely no sense. Sadly people can not flock to the 1070 right now because it's in very short supply (1080 is more important) and it's priced too high for many. This isn't a rerun of the 970 this is a much bigger price.

So yeah, whilst it may be fun for Nvidia to boast and brag back in the real world what matters to AMD is being a player again. And the only way they can do that is to make something that will sell in high volume and change the direction of the charts like the Steam user survey. If their investors saw them at 60% rather than 30% they get more money in and their stock prices go up.

Then they can start making the money to make the big products.

I don't know how old you are or what not but if you remember the FX line of CPUs (not this current trash the real ones ) then you will know that AMD made a loss on every single one sold. Changing the model number to an Athlon XP? they sold like hot cakes. They were cheap and they were good. AMD screwed up by making CPUs that cost an absolute fortune to make and then sold them at a loss because they had to undercut Intel who converted one of their Xeons into a P4 Extreme Edition.

AMD fell off the radar after that and have not been competitive since.

However, competition is not how much you can wave your willy it's about a ton of other factors. Market share, share value, investors ETC.

Zen will highly unlikely topple Broadwell E or Skylake E if Intel get around to that. What it will do though is offer up a decent chunk of performance for the money. Maybe an extra core or two over Intel? I don't know. What I do know is that like the RX 480 it does not need to be the fastest it just needs to sell. If Zen sells then not only do AMD get back a huge percentage of the GPU market but they get back a huge percentage of the CPU market too.

I dunno, think about performance car factories. They're constantly going out of business (Jaguar for example) yet there will always been high demand for realistic cars like the Ford Focus etc.

 

[Doomslayer]

People will still buy what they want and atm it's Nvidia & Intel that is the way it is.

If you trying to change my mind it's not going to work.

Yes i remember 10 to 13 years ago the AMD CPU was the go to CPU cause intel was just crap and AMD just kept shooting themselves in the foot and allow intel to take over same applies to the AMD/ATi & Nvidia.

Remember the Pentium 4 were just crap so intel when back and change things and base there next CPU's from the Pentium 3 days since then they haven't even looked back.

13 Years ago i used to use an AMD CPU but once i change back to intel from 2007 i just haven't even looked at AMD cause IMHO AMD just doesn't make a good CPU that suits my needs.

Same again everyone all ways seems to miss my point i'm talking about for my needs only not for other people, For me I just don't think AMD makes good stuff.

 

[AlienALX]

People will still buy what they want and atm it's Nvidia & Intel that is the way it is.

It isn't though. If that were true then why on earth have AMD been making the 6300 and 8320 since launch and are still making them now?

Every one would like Intel and Nvidia of course, but not every one has Intel and Nvidia money. Did you see that POS that got burnt out (apparently) by a RX 480? it was a pile of doodoo, years old.

But that is reality. Not every one can afford the best so they will take whatever works.

Me personally? in my house now it's basically 5820k OC with a Titan X Hybrid and my wife has a 8 core Ivy with a Fury X and then the last PC that's in bits ATM is an old Phenom 2 X6. So basically yeah, my choice is 5820k OC with a Titan X OC. But that is probably quite a rare combination due to the price of those parts.

If you trying to change my mind it's not going to work.

I don't need to change your mind. AMD don't either. You're obviously fortunate enough not to go out looking for bargains or to have a PC that barely scrapes by. It's not you AMD will attract any way.

Yes i remember 10 to 13 years ago the AMD CPU was the go to CPU cause intel was just crap and AMD just kept shooting themselves in the foot and allow intel to take over same applies to the AMD/ATi & Nvidia.

Remember the Pentium 4 were just crap so intel when back and change things and base there next CPU's from the Pentium 3 days since then they haven't even looked back.

13 Years ago i used to use an AMD CPU but once i change back to intel from 2007 i just haven't even looked at AMD cause IMHO AMD just doesn't make a good CPU that suits my needs.

Same again everyone all ways seems to miss my point i'm talking about for my needs only not for other people, For me I just don't think AMD makes good stuff.

The P3 was a very good chip. Especially the latter ones (Tualitin? something like that). AMD just had Intel beaten on price though. They made these flimsy looking CPUs with four little foam pads around the edges instead of a IHS and I personally cracked a die forcing on the cooler. It was horrible, but once you got it installed they went like stink and were banging overclockers.

Sure, at the time all of the snobs had high end P4 systems with RDRAM (fail !) but the AMD chip made building a fast PC cheap.

You can't make high end products with bugger all share of the market. So AMD need to do this slowly but surely

 

[AngryGoldfish]

AMD needed Polaris to break their trend of hot, power hungry GPU's; something that was affordable, readily available and performed well. The RX480 has done that. It may not be quite as good as their competitor, but it's a massive step in the right direction. And it's only going to improve over time. The cooler disappointed me (poor temperatures) and the card draws as much power as a 1070, but that is still a massive improvement. Are they better than nVidia? No. Do they need to be? It depends. It would be nice for AMD to come out with big Vega and wipe nVidia's smirk off their face, driving hype around their brand and in turn selling more cards, but I highly doubt that's going to happen. What I imagine will happen is AMD will release a less efficient but more affordable competitor that sits nicely behind nVidia's flagship, both in performance and price. That is OK to me, and I think it should be OK to everyone else who is after a better value GPU. If it doesn't impress those who are more into the best of the best, that doesn't mean others won't see the merits of the card.

The 290 was a hotter more power hungry GPU than the 780, but it lasted a lot longer, was cheaper and was competitive. The 290X had the same problems but was also better value than the 780ti and lasted longer. If the 290 and 290X had improved efficiency, there would have been no competition: AMD would have been the better choice. If AMD can do the same thing again—cheaper, slightly behind in power, longer lasting design—I think they will have a successful release. The RX480 is pretty much that. The 490 and 490X will also probably be the same. On a personal note, that's what I want. And I think that will help with their shares and reputation. Yes, the cards aren't as fast as nVidia in every test, but they are also cheaper and longer lasting. There are pros and cons. I personally think AMD are on the right path to correcting their biggest cons: drivers and efficiency. The Fury X was a disappointing release for me due to the AIO cooler, price, and power hungry GPU. If they can keep the prices down over nVidia, improve the efficiency, and not have to rely on water coolers or reference blower designs, that's going to make me happy. I'm done hoping AMD will release an overclockers dream. If you want overclocking, go nVidia. NVidia also excels in 3DMark and Unigine anyway, the two main benchmarking utilities, so don't even bother with AMD. The 290 was a great deal as you could overclock it to match a 290X, but my Fury can't come close to matching a Fury X.

For me, if the 1080ti FE is $800 at 120% performance, the 490X (AMD's full fat Vega GPU) at $700 for 115% has me sold. If the 1080 FE is $700 for 100% performance and the 490 is $600 for 97% performance, all with decent power consumption, temperatures, and availability, I'm sold.